Id like to remind everyone saying

"She was on x factor to promote her single, it didnt work well"
Can i just jog ur memory and say so was Matt, who's single didnt do to well.

And then u say " his album was out the next week, thats why his single didnt do well"
So was chers

Yeah. Thats what I said ages ago and I'm a Matt fan. Letters was out a week after RFYL so why (if people liked Matt enough to buy the whole album) buy both? I'd imagine the same might have applied to Cher's second single which may have been a release timed to encourage album sales like Matt's seems to have been. But why are you still persistently comparing her to Matt?

Besides people actually went and bought Matt's album, Cher wasn't so lucky.

Nah, the difference is Cher's sales will hold up rather than drop like a stone as word gets around what the two albums are like

lol is that really her big accomplishment?
I sold more than the Wanted! - Wow Cher I'm impressed really, no not really don't care actually.

Well if you say so....:sleep:

Well, that's just wishful thinking, there is no evidence one way or the other that it is the case.

You realise their first week sales are likely to be within a reasonable range of each other? It's not like she's selling three thousand copies.

Cher and Matt.

There's only room in the music business for one of them.

Their future is entirely dependent each upon the other. One does better - the other one's had it.

Its always good to know the rules.

Try looking at Amazon. No reviews below 4 stars for Cher's album yet because hardly anyone seems disappointed with it (though I guess one or two folks may make a point now of going there to slag it off). Three people on Matt's first page saying how much they liked him on X Factor but are finding the album "bland and repetitive", "absolute rubbish"...

Just the overwhelming impression I'm getting, that hardly anyone who ever liked Cher feels let down by her work to date, while a lot of Matt's original fans are feeling very underwhelmed by him now and he's hardly winning over any neutrals. Nothing against him and I quite liked some of his early X Factor performances myself.

I think you'll find that there are always people who claim to be disappointed Matt fans... 'I really liked him but in actual fact I hate his guts'. Matt may not have the twitter hatred directed at him that Cher does but he has an impressive collection of dedicated trolls. Thats not to say some people may not like his album as much as they thought but you can usually tell the genuine ones from the others. And there are plenty of the others: people who hate the XF winner, who resent him for beating someone they liked etc etc ad nauseam. You can see enough of it on here. You could try taking a look at his FB which is full of Matt fans (three quarters of a million of them) who will happily express their disappointment if they feel it (a number didnt like RFYL) but love the album. Just a suggestion.

PS Just went to check Amazon - Letters' has 75 reviews and 52 of them are 5 star; 6 are 4 star- the newest ones are 5s. Cher has 10 reviews so far and she hasnt yet been hit by the spite reviews - one star to drag down the average. Im not sure that quite proves your point?

can i just remind people this is not 'The Apprentice' forum...

i wonder if there's a literature forum like this where someone posts Catherine Cookson's sales compared to James Joyce or whoever, as proof that she's the better writer

actually there probably is

Whats that like then?

Its been established they're bitter rivals fighting to the death for the only remaining place in the music industry. Keep up Joe!

ok, I've been guitly of bringing ol' Cardle into conversations about Cher of late, but come on now, this is ridiculous. Matt's first week album sales are going to be higher, but not miles and miles higher. Cher's single sales have been better than Matt's. Didn't we all sort of expect those two things?

Assuming that both of them get the opportunity to release a second album then that's going to be far more interesting. Who can sustain their success? Personally I think a lot of people were let down by Cardle's album, whereas Cher's album has surprised a number of people I know by being quite good. We'll see.

Ah, maybe I'm just underestimating the strange ways of human minds, then. (And, as Hughie Green used to say, "I mean that most sincerely", only in my case I do )

It is a bit odd, you have to admit, when no self-respecting Cher "hater" will confess to ever having thought her anything more than a low form of life with minimal talent.

i have no idea, but i imagine it's obseesed with marketing and sales and that, and whose best at it

I suspect thats cos you want to think that? *cough* 52/75 five-star reviews *cough*


It is odd yeah - and good that they haven't flooded her Amazon page yet. I truly doubt that the quality of an artist's music will ever prevent the people who obsessively hate them from posting negativity, so even if the one-stars do start coming in it doesn't mean her album isn't going down well with people who dont have an agenda. If that makes any sense.

They're both dead, so what's it matter?

Not sure why I let myself be drawn into this one, half the musicians who interest me have fan-bases that probably struggle to reach three figures

haha!

exactly. This place has a habit of drawing you into arguing about shit you know is nonsense just cos you have to fight your corner

Seconded. Shall we three go off and have a cup of tea and a bun?

Just had a quick laugh... oops, I mean, look at some of the Amazon reviews. Who is better? Cher or Cardle?

I think we need an unibiased opinion from someone who has heard both albums and posted their reviews on Amazon.

I reckon this reviewer fits the bill. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/cdp/membe...stRecentReview Very considered.

Suits me fine

Exactly, just as convincing as all those people popping up going: I hated Cher but her album is actually really good.
Really so you hated Cher but you just went and bought the album anyway because...yeah why actually? Seems like a really weird thing to do.
Unless of course you're some fanboy who's just pretending.

Indeed. The breadth of her musical interests as revealed by the full range of reviews she's posted to Amazon only underlines her unparalleled credentials to tell it like it is about Cher's and Matt's latest work even while they're locked in their present dramatic struggle to be the one who doesn't kick off next year standing in line at JobCentre Plus

Ok I like both of them - is that allowed?

Cher's is a good fun pop album - it's not better than I expected cos I expected it to be good - well done Cher

Matt's is my favourite album this year by some way but then he's more my thing. I don't know a single person who likes him that doesn't like the album (though I am sure there are some - I do know LOTS of Matt fans that don't like RFYL (unfortunately given it was the lead single)

What does it matter whose sells better so long as they both sell well enough to keep making music which I am sure they both will, as will 1D and Rebecca which is surely a testament to m how good all of last year's top 4 actually were.