With Artem in the bottom 2 this week, am I right in thinking Aliona has currently gone most shows without a dreaded bottom 2 finish?
Praise for Aliona
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Originally Posted by teeswolf:
“With Artem in the bottom 2 this week, am I right in thinking Aliona has currently gone most shows without a dreaded bottom 2 finish?”
“With Artem in the bottom 2 this week, am I right in thinking Aliona has currently gone most shows without a dreaded bottom 2 finish?”
She can have that title if you wish, but her choreography is still not good!
It looked amazing. I couldn't believe the speed and the SWING he was getting. If he doesn't make any mistake and is consistent, I'd expect full mark for that dance.
Although knowing Len, I think he might give them a 5 or something.
Although knowing Len, I think he might give them a 5 or something.
Originally Posted by ross8503:
“She is stunning in every way possible. I only watch SCD to see her. I give her 10 every week.”
“She is stunning in every way possible. I only watch SCD to see her. I give her 10 every week.”
You give her 10 what? Are they clean?
Originally Posted by petertard:
“From rehearsal footage Aliona and Harry's Quickstep looks the quickest ever.”
“From rehearsal footage Aliona and Harry's Quickstep looks the quickest ever.”
It did look very quick.
Originally Posted by petertard:
“From rehearsal footage Aliona and Harry's Quickstep looks the quickest ever.”
“From rehearsal footage Aliona and Harry's Quickstep looks the quickest ever.”
Harry looked amazing in that clip!
Originally Posted by blackberry000:
“It looked amazing. I couldn't believe the speed and the SWING he was getting. If he doesn't make any mistake and is consistent, I'd expect full mark for that dance.
Although knowing Len, I think he might give them a 5 or something.”
“It looked amazing. I couldn't believe the speed and the SWING he was getting. If he doesn't make any mistake and is consistent, I'd expect full mark for that dance.
Although knowing Len, I think he might give them a 5 or something.”
I think the term you are looking for is SWAY.
And yes Id go with the consensus. It does look quick but it also looks good.
by contrast I thought Jason's didnt look as good as Id expected.
Originally Posted by SaraV1308:
“I think the term you are looking for is SWAY.
And yes Id go with the consensus. It does look quick but it also looks good.
by contrast I thought Jason's didnt look as good as Id expected.”
“I think the term you are looking for is SWAY.
And yes Id go with the consensus. It does look quick but it also looks good.
by contrast I thought Jason's didnt look as good as Id expected.”
They say Jason swings both ways. Perhaps it would be safer if he sticks to the swaying instead.
Originally Posted by SaraV1308:
“I think the term you are looking for is SWAY.
And yes Id go with the consensus. It does look quick but it also looks good.
by contrast I thought Jason's didnt look as good as Id expected.”
“I think the term you are looking for is SWAY.
And yes Id go with the consensus. It does look quick but it also looks good.
by contrast I thought Jason's didnt look as good as Id expected.”
Urgh, I did it again! Yes, I meant Sway.
But I'm going to assume the rest of the routine doesn't contain a lot of difficult steps. You can't teach 1.5 min of Quickstep of that quality to a beginner... Well I wouldn't be able to. Aliona is perhaps a Superteachr!
Originally Posted by teeswolf:
“With Artem in the bottom 2 this week, am I right in thinking Aliona has currently gone most shows without a dreaded bottom 2 finish?”
“With Artem in the bottom 2 this week, am I right in thinking Aliona has currently gone most shows without a dreaded bottom 2 finish?”
In this series? No.
Couples that haven't yet been in the bottom two:
Alex & James
Chelsee & Pasha
Harry & Aliona
Jason & Kristina
Robbie & Ola
Of the remaining couples, only Anita & Robin and Holly & Artem have been in the bottom two.
Originally Posted by blackberry000:
“Urgh, I did it again! Yes, I meant Sway.
But I'm going to assume the rest of the routine doesn't contain a lot of difficult steps. You can't teach 1.5 min of Quickstep of that quality to a beginner... Well I wouldn't be able to. Aliona is perhaps a Superteachr!”
“Urgh, I did it again! Yes, I meant Sway.
But I'm going to assume the rest of the routine doesn't contain a lot of difficult steps. You can't teach 1.5 min of Quickstep of that quality to a beginner... Well I wouldn't be able to. Aliona is perhaps a Superteachr!”
Will nobody remember Colin/Ricky/Scott!!!
I think he'll be fab blackberry...but never forget...Colin/Ricky/Scott 4 EVA.
Originally Posted by memmh:
“In this series? No.”
“In this series? No.”
No, I didn't mean this series only! The last time Aliona was in the bottom 2 was with Rav in 2009. So she has gone through the whole of 2010, and so far in 2011 without a bottom 2 appearance.
Artem went all the way to the final last year without a bottom 2 appearance, and of course won! Now he has finally been in the bottom 2.
Pasha of course has never been in the bottom 2, but this is his first series here.
Originally Posted by cymrugirl:
“
Will nobody remember Colin/Ricky/Scott!!!
I think he'll be fab blackberry...but never forget...Colin/Ricky/Scott 4 EVA.”
“
Will nobody remember Colin/Ricky/Scott!!!
I think he'll be fab blackberry...but never forget...Colin/Ricky/Scott 4 EVA.
”
Actually, I do remember them. But if Harry's QS really turns out as technically demanding as the footage suggested, it'll blow their QS out of the park. I really don't understand how Aliona is managing to teach him that. I can't compare him with myself since I've danced since childhood, but I have a friend who took up dancing a couple of years ago and she had done years of ballet and contemporary beforehand, it took her much longer than a week to reach a level where she was taught to make her ballroom 3 dimensional.
Problem with the footage is, we see him in hold for a few seconds...and that's what it is on the night. A few seconds in hold. If he's going to blow Colin out of the water, it has to be a routine full of content. Colin, week 2 quickstep was amazing and without gimmicks.
If Aliona pitches the choreography right, then he may well be better than all of them, but if it goes down the same route as the other ballrooms then it'll be a right shame.
I hope it's good because this series has been a right let down and they all need to kick it up a gear.
If Aliona pitches the choreography right, then he may well be better than all of them, but if it goes down the same route as the other ballrooms then it'll be a right shame.
I hope it's good because this series has been a right let down and they all need to kick it up a gear.
Originally Posted by teeswolf:
“No, I didn't mean this series only! The last time Aliona was in the bottom 2 was with Rav in 2009. So she has gone through the whole of 2010, and so far in 2011 without a bottom 2 appearance.
Artem went all the way to the final last year without a bottom 2 appearance, and of course won! Now he has finally been in the bottom 2.
Pasha of course has never been in the bottom 2, but this is his first series here.”
“No, I didn't mean this series only! The last time Aliona was in the bottom 2 was with Rav in 2009. So she has gone through the whole of 2010, and so far in 2011 without a bottom 2 appearance.
Artem went all the way to the final last year without a bottom 2 appearance, and of course won! Now he has finally been in the bottom 2.
Pasha of course has never been in the bottom 2, but this is his first series here.”
Bizarrely, James Jordan has acheived this too!
Originally Posted by danishdancer:
“Bizarrely, James Jordan has acheived this too!”
“Bizarrely, James Jordan has acheived this too!”
Not really bizarre. If you look at the actual stats, James has consistently achieved an average mark of around 30 for his partners. Which, considering that he's had a succession of relatively-average partners, and considering that this is over 5 series, is really rather impressive.
Vincent and Ian both have similarly-impressive (and consistent) records.
Originally Posted by cymrugirl:
“Problem with the footage is, we see him in hold for a few seconds...and that's what it is on the night. A few seconds in hold. If he's going to blow Colin out of the water, it has to be a routine full of content. Colin, week 2 quickstep was amazing and without gimmicks.
If Aliona pitches the choreography right, then he may well be better than all of them, but if it goes down the same route as the other ballrooms then it'll be a right shame.
I hope it's good because this series has been a right let down and they all need to kick it up a gear.”
“Problem with the footage is, we see him in hold for a few seconds...and that's what it is on the night. A few seconds in hold. If he's going to blow Colin out of the water, it has to be a routine full of content. Colin, week 2 quickstep was amazing and without gimmicks.
If Aliona pitches the choreography right, then he may well be better than all of them, but if it goes down the same route as the other ballrooms then it'll be a right shame.
I hope it's good because this series has been a right let down and they all need to kick it up a gear.”
Well, that was what I was talking about in my post before. That if she has taught him what we think she has, I don't think she'll have time to teach him a full 1.5 min routine with that quality.
I personally prefer seeing celebrities attempting more difficult technique, even if that makes the dancing part of routine shorter.
Anyway, we'll have to wait and see. It might get over hyped like Jason's jive was. After that I decided not to discuss dances before the show too much. Clearly not sticking to my decision very firmly!
Originally Posted by DavidJames:
“Not really bizarre. If you look at the actual stats, James has consistently achieved an average mark of around 30 for his partners. Which, considering that he's had a succession of relatively-average partners, and considering that this is over 5 series, is really rather impressive.
Vincent and Ian both have similarly-impressive (and consistent) records.”
“Not really bizarre. If you look at the actual stats, James has consistently achieved an average mark of around 30 for his partners. Which, considering that he's had a succession of relatively-average partners, and considering that this is over 5 series, is really rather impressive.
Vincent and Ian both have similarly-impressive (and consistent) records.”
This surprises me! Well done James. I can well believe it about Ian.
Originally Posted by blackberry000:
“Well, that was what I was talking about in my post before. That if she has taught him what we think she has, I don't think she'll have time to teach him a full 1.5 min routine with that quality.
I personally prefer seeing celebrities attempting more difficult technique, even if that makes the dancing part of routine shorter.
Anyway, we'll have to wait and see. It might get over hyped like Jason's jive was. After that I decided not to discuss dances before the show too much. Clearly not sticking to my decision very firmly!”
“Well, that was what I was talking about in my post before. That if she has taught him what we think she has, I don't think she'll have time to teach him a full 1.5 min routine with that quality.
I personally prefer seeing celebrities attempting more difficult technique, even if that makes the dancing part of routine shorter.
Anyway, we'll have to wait and see. It might get over hyped like Jason's jive was. After that I decided not to discuss dances before the show too much. Clearly not sticking to my decision very firmly!”
Harry has said that the only dancing he had done was the weeK last year with Ola ( for which he and Aliona were penalised a weeks training), so it has to be Aliona who is teaching him to dance as he does.
The Waltz was a dance where Harry looked very good but the Foxtrot of week 2 looked like he struggled to perform it, so I think Aliona has to balance quality versus quantity, as Harry cant usually benefit much from the previous weeks dance routines.
Ian's training commentary often hasn't given much of a clue as to how routines will turn out IMO.
Originally Posted by danishdancer:
“This surprises me! Well done James. I can well believe it about Ian.”
“This surprises me! Well done James. I can well believe it about Ian.”
The stats are actually quite interesting.
Based on the numbers, it would appear that the most consistently effective professionals are James, Vincent and Ian - with 5+ partners each, averaging around 29-30.
Whereas Anton - who's forever held up as a great teacher - is well behind at 23.
Which shows the difference between hype and reality I think.
Originally Posted by fatskia:
“Harry has said that the only dancing he had done was the weeK last year with Ola ( for which he and Aliona were penalised a weeks training), so it has to be Aliona who is teaching him to dance as he does.
The Waltz was a dance where Harry looked very good but the Foxtrot of week 2 looked like he struggled to perform it, so I think Aliona has to balance quality versus quantity, as Harry cant usually benefit much from the previous weeks dance routines.
Ian's training commentary often hasn't given much of a clue as to how routines will turn out IMO.”
“Harry has said that the only dancing he had done was the weeK last year with Ola ( for which he and Aliona were penalised a weeks training), so it has to be Aliona who is teaching him to dance as he does.
The Waltz was a dance where Harry looked very good but the Foxtrot of week 2 looked like he struggled to perform it, so I think Aliona has to balance quality versus quantity, as Harry cant usually benefit much from the previous weeks dance routines.
Ian's training commentary often hasn't given much of a clue as to how routines will turn out IMO.”
I completely agree with what you're saying. I think I said pretty much the same thing, didn't I?!
Yes the training footage doesn't say much, because it doesn't take into consideration costume, performance, and camera work on the night. And also it hypes up some dances and they could end up being disappointing because of the high expectation.
And I agree that what Harry knows now is taught to him by Aliona. I'm just impressed by what she manages to teach him. Either Aliona is an amazing teacher who's gone unappreciated because of her goofy personality and quirky style. Or Harry is extremely talented and absorbs everything like a sponge, in which case what is he doing as the drummer of a mediocre pop rock band?!
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