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Craig- 'Until that girl is mine'???
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jagged_death
13-11-2011
Originally Posted by CloudyE:
“So, as this is deffinately now established as being a Craig bashing thread, why was there no similar Marcus bashing thread last week? He is also gay and sang female inspired lyrics within reet petite.

I guess that the only different is that Marcus is percieved (goodness knows why) as good looking material.”

Maybe beause the lyric was changed in Craig's song and not in Marcus' song. Also it female lyric was just more noticable in his song for me.
CloudyE
13-11-2011
Originally Posted by jagged_death:
“Maybe beause the lyric was changed in Craig's song and not in Marcus' song. Also it female lyric was just more noticable in his song for me.”

Sure, possibly for the reasons I stated
jagged_death
13-11-2011
Originally Posted by CloudyE:
“Sure, possibly for the reasons I stated ”

What was your reasons, that Marcus is better looking. Why do you believe that resulted in people mentioning not mentioning about his female lyric and the mentiong Craigs?

I think you'll find people did talk about Marcus singing female aimed lyrics before on this board.
Agent F
13-11-2011
Originally Posted by CloudyE:
“So, as this is deffinately now established as being a Craig bashing thread, why was there no similar Marcus bashing thread last week? He is also gay and sang female inspired lyrics within reet petite.

I guess that the only different is that Marcus is percieved (goodness knows why) as good looking material.”

It's not a Craig bashing thread. I very much doubt it was Craig's decision to change the lyrics.
fefster
13-11-2011
Quite frankly, the people who vote on XF generally are straight women. Craig is just singing to his audience. It sounded ridiculous to change the words though.
lizzey
13-11-2011
Originally Posted by smurftc:
“Ok... I just like to judge Craig on his singing and he was great ”

Agree
JonDoe
13-11-2011
Originally Posted by plymgary:
“I can't stand it when gay blokes sing about fancying women.”

I can't stand homophobic bell ends myself, but going by this thread, there still seem to be loads of you about.

I guess we'll both just have to suck it up and get on with it, hey?
Singy Thingy
13-11-2011
Janet sang "girl" in her version of "I Want You Back"...OMG!!! Heterophobia!!!!

I actually think it's silly to change the gender on some songs regardless of wheather you're gay,str8,or whatever you may be. I would hope most people wouldn't have a problem with it if Craig had sung the original lyric,and hope that concern wasn't why he didn't.
Georgiecats
13-11-2011
I thought he had a girlfriend and a baby?

He does camp it up though but I love it when he does that.

When he takes it seriously I don't like his performance as much.
JonDoe
13-11-2011
In other news: David Bowie was never an astronaut, Adam Ant was never a highwayman and John Lennon was neither an eggman, or a walrus.
rors401
13-11-2011
It was same with Frankie Cocozza's What's My Name at Judges Houses, the whole bloody song was practically changed due to changing genders in the lyrics!!

Noone is gonna think your gay just because you said something about 'i won't stop until that boy is mine', I'm not referring to Craig or anyone there - just in general
jagged_death
13-11-2011
Originally Posted by Singy Thingy:
“Janet sang "girl" in her version of "I Want You Back"...OMG!!! Heterophobia!!!!

I actually think it's silly to change the gender on some songs regardless of wheather you're gay,str8,or whatever you may be. I would hope most people wouldn't have a problem with it if Craig had sung the original lyric,and hope that concern wasn't why he didn't.”

That concern was obviously the reasons why they changed the lyrics for Craig and not Amelia/Janet. If that concern is justified is another matter, I suspect that it might bother some people but overall it wouldn't go down too badly.
granted08
13-11-2011
It made sense to change the lyrics it's always been done. If they had some people would have gone to ofcom anyway.
RoofTerraceJax
13-11-2011
Originally Posted by Biko:
“the best cover version of all time was The White Stripes "Jolene" and Jack White still sang the lyrics "please don't take my man" even tho he's straight.. so does it really matter”

It's ridiculous. If the lyrics of a song are not easy to change or unable to change at all, don't cover it.

Originally Posted by jagged_death:
“If the lyrics don't matter then why change them? If the gender inference doesn't matter why were Amelia/Janet allowed to keep the female reference in the song originally sung by men while Craig's was changed.”

One of Janet's songs was left as it was because there are people around who think Sweet Child of Mine is actually about a child.

Keeping the word "girl" in I Want You Back was pathetic. As if it's that difficult to change it to "boy" or it wouldn't scan or something. It's harsh to blame the contestants, they're young, but those who give them these songs should use the ounce of imagination they have.

Amelia's song was just ridiculous for her, poor girl - "Mama always told me be careful who you love, don't go around braking young girls' hearts", "Billie Jean is not my lover, she's just a girl who claims that I am the one but the kid is not my son" ......... seriously?

Originally Posted by CloudyE:
“But, to me, it makes no difference, I never noticed that the girls kep the original words, its all about the vocals. The sexuality within a song doesnt bother me, but I am not sexist in any way.”

It's not a question of sexism or even prudishness, it's a question of it being true to the performer.

Originally Posted by JonDoe:
“In other news: David Bowie was never an astronaut, Adam Ant was never a highwayman and John Lennon was neither an eggman, or a walrus.”



Seriously though, the first two artists you mentioned were all about characterisation and interpretation. Indeed, dress-up if you will.

The Lennon songs you mention would take serious misinterpretation of the lyrics for anyone to think that's what he was trying to say.
jagged_death
13-11-2011
Originally Posted by granted08:
“It made sense to change the lyrics it's always been done. If they had some people would have gone to ofcom anyway.”

What do you think ofcom would have done? Craig singing the original lyrics wouldn't have breeched any ofcom guidelines so their complaints would have been given the time of day although ofcom probably would have given them a polite "your complaint is unfounded and we're doing nothing" style letter.
DreamingDan
13-11-2011
I can't see why people would actually support this kind of homophobia.
sarcastic_devil
13-11-2011
Does it really matter?
Tyranny_Rex
13-11-2011
Originally Posted by Bananafish:
“Will a contestant ever get "And all the boys will be after you!" comment in the way every single straight male contestant gets about the girls?”

There's only been one single straight male performer in the live shows this year and he was not a good advertisement for heterosexuality.
Lewnaticc
13-11-2011
I didn't see it as a problem. He's openly gay, yes, but he's on stage "performing" a song. I'm sure he's not really lunging after a girl/boy like he states in 'Paparazzi'. You can just think of it as a performance - he's acting, he's not Craig, he's someone on stage pining for a lover.
BigBmad
13-11-2011
Originally Posted by Tyranny_Rex:
“There's only been one single straight male performer in the live shows this year and he was not a good advertisement for heterosexuality.”

What was James michael gay too?
Andybear
13-11-2011
Originally Posted by RoofTerraceJax:
“ It's not a question of sexism or even prudishness, it's a question of it being true to the performer..”

But they're singing a song not writing an autobiography. For example, in Rihanna's song 'Russian Roulette' does she actually hold a gun to her head? I think not.
Snozzcumber
13-11-2011
And for them to do it on a Lady GaGa song was doubly terrible. X Factor sinks to a new low.
Winsome
13-11-2011
I see no problem, all a bit of a mountain out of a molehill. I wasn't aware that Craig is gay, but it makes not one iota of difference. It made sense to sing the song as it was, to me anyway. How often has Elton John, George Michael, or any other gay performer performed a song and used the same gender in the lyrics. Sorry, but all this fuss is just beyond ridiculous.
Tyranny_Rex
13-11-2011
Originally Posted by BigBmad:
“What was James michael gay too?”

He wears a hat. Matt Cardle is the only straight man allowed to wear a hat.
RoofTerraceJax
13-11-2011
Originally Posted by Andybear:
“But they're singing a song not writing an autobiography. For example, in Rihanna's song 'Russian Roulette' does she actually hold a gun to her head? I think not.”

That's not the point. The point is she could. She may never have and may never in her life but she could. There is no reason why she or anyone else would not be in that position. It's not quite the same thing as a straight person singing same sex lyrics or a gay person singing opposite sex lyrics. It's all about what the performer is singing coming across as convincing and possible.

Originally Posted by Winsome:
“How often has Elton John, George Michael, or any other gay performer performed a song and used the same gender in the lyrics. Sorry, but all this fuss is just beyond ridiculous.”

Elton John and George Michael, as just two examples, sang heterosexual lyrics when they were still in the closet under the pressure of their record companies. As soon as they came out, they cut all the heterosexual lyric BS. They still have songs that are not gender-specific but they don't sing songs with romantic or sexual references towards women and haven't for decades.
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