It's very simple. Singing is a science. Yes, you can add colour, style, attitude and image to a voice. Fair enough. But when you TRY to sing in tune, it is a scientific fact whether you can or not. If you are constantly missing the notes, you cannot sing.
Take this from a trained opera singer, who has dabbled in pop, rock, metal, musicals and opera singing, I am trained and can hear a bad voice a mile off. Janet cannot sing. That vocal she just gave was hopelessly out of tune, she is constantly flat and just has no stage presence, waving her hands in a ridiculous way. She also has the stage presence of a bogey.
Anyone who thinks she can sing, only does so as they think about what sounds cool/up to date. But musically, she has no talent at all. And singing ability should come first. Before image and style.

You hit the nail on the head there...singing ability SHOULD come first, but we're watching the X-Factor, so it doesn't!

I agree, by the way, she cannot sing at all.

As another trained singer, I feel your pain. She just has no real ability whatsoever. Her continuing popularity is an utter mystery to me.

amen to that! She can't sing.

I'm a trained singer too, and I completely agree with you. The sob/hiccup she uses makes me cringe and I feel it is used as cover for the lack of colour in her voice (which has no breadth to it). I think she has particular tuning problems in the lower end of her range.

Being able to sing is not something you can say anyone cannot do. Everyone can. Saying it is a scientific fact someone can't sing is a inanely stupid thing to say, unless they have had their vocal chords actually surgically removed.

All you are saying is, that she does not meet some technical mark you are setting. But why do the rest of us care about that a single iota? Your opinion in this regard means less than nothing. This is popular music, not opera.

What matters is this. She sings. Some people listen and love it. End of your argument right there.

There are an army of us waiting to buy her albums. You can sit in your ivory tower and pronounce, we will just ignore you. The self-importance you are exuding here is just that, one internet poster's self-importance.

Janet will sell albums. Lots of them. I'm in that queue.

I thought scientifically everyone can sing

Well maybe not everybody. What a load of bollox this thread is. I'm not a music expert but as someone with a science background, I despair!

When it comes to taste, there are no facts.

Indeed and well said. But don't assume all classically trained singers think the same as the OP... my mother votes for Janet every week and she was an opera singer. Sometimes the flaws in a voice are what gives it the soul.

It's not a stupid thing to say. It is a fact. A note sung in perfect pitch is a scientific fact. It can be proven. I agree that some people try NOT to sing in tune, fine. But Janet is singing out of tune...she cannot hit the notes. If I had an auto tuner by her side, it would be out of tune constantly. It is a fact she is out of tune.
Whether that makes me self important, fine. I couldn't care less. I am a trained singer and know what good singing is, and that singing is not about the voice anymore. Call me the most arrogant person alive, I will continie to say as I want to.
Of course she will sell albums. Because people cannot hear how bad she is, as most music has dulled people's ears to proper singing.
Your loss.

There is no way you can have a scientific background (a credible one) if you do not realise that there are people who can sing in perfect pitch and some who cannot. Janet as a FACT cannot. I would consider someone who can sing to be able to hit the notes most of the time. She is off most of the time. Hence, she cannot sing scientifically in tune most of the time.
I despair too. Perhaps your career is disecting monkeys.

Get back behind me , can't wait to buy an album from her ,
Any artist that put shivers down my spine does it for me

Scientific or not

What a stupid thing to say. Yes I can jump. Yes I can blink. I can produce something from my voice that is 'singing', but is this in pitch or is it rubbish singing. This can be scientifically proven.

If you want to buy an album of a dog humping a tortoise, because it sends shivers down you, then good luck to you. I am not here to AHEM, judge what makes you feel good. But don't many many singers out there who have slaved for years and trained hard by giving me inane, common opinions that Janet can sing, when she cannot. You may like her. Good for you. But she cannot sing. Fact of life. It is opinion as to whether you like her or not.

one word - Amelia. Now that's how to sing. Janet should go tomorrow

I have noticed that her "musically trained" supporters have stopped using the Major 7th excuse though.

I will try and get over you not considering a BSc and two MScs as a credible scientific background!
Is your education/intellect up to appreciating the difference between "sing" and "sing in perfect pitch".
And WTF does "singing scientifically in tune mean"? lord above how our language gets mangled!

I think you put too much emphasis on pitch... is it possible for you to post not using that word, and saying i have written something stupid is really pot calling a kettle black.

I have musical intelligence, and i would say that Janet can sing, but of course that is my opinion, people will agree and disagree.

Get your head out of your arrogant arse and realise that not everything you say is right or fact.

In all honesty she can sing. But this show isn't for her, there's nothing that is captivating about her performances. People may say 'Leona just stood there and sang', but Leona's vocals were of such a high standard, she could have sung the phonebook each week and it would still have the power to WOW. Janet does deserve an album though...

It was a totally valid thing to say. if you can jump then someone would be WRONG to post some shite that you couldn't jump or even "scientifically jump"

If people enjoy her singing then it is not rubbish singing.

I don't care, the show is as someone said earlier "karaoke big brother", none of them cab genuinely sing that well. I find her endearing and I want her to be better than she is.

I don't vote though so I won't be influencing anything.

Unless someone SCIENTIFICALLY TRAINED in the high jump but dabbled in long jumping came along and blew everyone away with their superior knowledge.

Or " scientifically get your head .... "

If you say Janet can sing, you have no musical intelligence. It's like a kid saying 1 + 1 = 3. That simple. She cannot sing. I already stated if you like her, that is your business. But she cannot sing in PITCH (I will use that word, as it is the basis of my argument. You don't like it, you'll have to find some way of coping with that).
As to my arse being arrogant, last time I looked it was quite pert, thank you.