It is a scientific fact Janet cannot sing

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paulmapp8306

13-11-2011

Originally Posted by tim38x:
“Being able to sing is not something you can say anyone cannot do. Everyone can. Saying it is a scientific fact someone can't sing is a inanely stupid thing to say, unless they have had their vocal chords actually surgically removed.

All you are saying is, that she does not meet some technical mark you are setting. But why do the rest of us care about that a single iota? Your opinion in this regard means less than nothing. This is popular music, not opera.

What matters is this. She sings. Some people listen and love it. End of your argument right there.

There are an army of us waiting to buy her albums. You can sit in your ivory tower and pronounce, we will just ignore you. The self-importance you are exuding here is just that, one internet poster's self-importance.

Janet will sell albums. Lots of them. I'm in that queue. ”

Maybe it should be rephrased - she CAN sing. .... Badly.

Problem is - the mindless masses in general dont have a clue about music

they buy it, they like it, but they wouldn't know in tune to out of tune unless it was blatantly obvious. Kind of explains why there are so many mediocre acts in popular music.

paulmapp8306

13-11-2011

Originally Posted by neelia:
“I will try and get over you not considering a BSc and two MScs as a credible scientific background!
Is your education/intellect up to appreciating the difference between "sing" and "sing in perfect pitch".
And WTF does "singing scientifically in tune mean"? lord above how our language gets mangled!”

Sorry - your wrong.

You may have BScs and MScs - makes no odds in this discussion. Pitch is scientific. its a frequency - which is scientific. Janets keeps singing notes that are NOT the correct frequency that she should be singing. Therefore she Scientifically cant sing. Its that simple really.

As i say, Im a musician - and also have a more scientific background than an artistic one. Not at your level but still - I can PROOVE in a SCIENTIFIC way that Janet cannot make noises of the correct frequency. If you can proove she CAN they Ill bow to your greater Qualifications.

Emzie21

13-11-2011

Originally Posted by paulmapp8306:
“Sorry - your wrong.

You may have BScs and MScs - makes no odds in this discussion. Pitch is scientific. its a frequency - which is scientific. Janets keeps singing notes that are NOT the correct frequency that she should be singing. Therefore she Scientifically cant sing. Its that simple really.

As i say, Im a musician - and also have a more scientific background than an artistic one. Not at your level but still - I can PROOVE in a SCIENTIFIC way that Janet cannot make noises of the correct frequency. If you can proove she CAN they Ill bow to your greater Qualifications.”

yours clearly not being in spelling

paulmapp8306

13-11-2011

Originally Posted by youngswede:
“I think you put too much emphasis on pitch... .”

i give you credit for THE most stupid post Ive seen on this site - which is saying something.

Singing is primarily, before ANYTHING else ONLY about the Pitch. If you cant sing in Pitch you cant sing. if your not going to put too much importance to pitch then we have lost ANY musical reason to watch, or vote in this show.

paulmapp8306

13-11-2011

Originally Posted by Mullen1618:
“ There is a difference between singing and singing with perfect pitch. .”

Yeop - one is singing - the other is singing out of tune.

86lphillips

13-11-2011

Have you seen the 'have you got a catchphrase' thread in GD op?

I think you should enter with "it's a scientific fact' - you might win the internet.

It reminds me of a time when the great Sheldon Cooper is having a disagreement with his mother:

Sheldon Cooper : I'm going to stay
here in Texas, teaching evolution to
creationists.

Mary: Watch your language, Sheldon.
You know everyone is entitled to their
opinion.

Sheldon Cooper : Evolution is not an
opinion, it's a fact!

Mary: And that is your opinion!

Singy Thingy

13-11-2011

Originally Posted by Moses455:
“I never tried to make it as a singer, so you are wrong. I was a solicitor, didn't like it and became a teacher, which I adore. Always sung as an amatuer, but was trained throughout my life from age 10 upwards.
If you read my post carefully, there IS a scientific basis to prove if she can sing or not. Your point on other singers is mute. Yes I know it is about more than the singing. I don't dispute that. But she CANNOT sing. That was my point, regardless of whether she has anything else going for her or not.
If I want to scientifically analyse music, I am not doing it wrong, I know what is blatantly out of tune and, it is my prerogative to do so and share my thoughts.”

I know I am sometimes lazy with terminology on these forums,such as substituting pitchy for flat/sharp r runs for melismatatic and chords for folds(vocal) (mostly because I care more about being understood and it would be silly to expect people to know terms they have no use for)and I also know my spelling and punctuation are far from great,but I find it kind of weird that a teacher would use"sung" for "sang" and "mute" for "moot".(Though in fairness,maybe you don't care on forums either,I suppose.)

paulmapp8306

13-11-2011

Originally Posted by Emzie21:
“yours clearly not being in spelling ”

Indeed - as Ive said countless times. Not only can I not spell very well - i cant type accurately either - - but then Im not claiming to be able to

paulmapp8306

13-11-2011

Originally Posted by fixmyhoover:
“I like Janet, and I am a trained musician myself. There is so much more to singing than hitting the right notes; that is why autotune sounds so jarring. The vocal affectations do not bother me either, because every non-trained singer has their own idiosyncrasies which, along with their timbre, distinguish them from others. Janet's "yelps" (mostly grace notes) are actually in tune with the music, regardless of how hard people try to hear the opposite, and are a feature of the music style with which she identifies. Citing it as an example of how she "can't sing" is essentialy musical bigotry, with the idea that Western classically trained vocalists are the pinnacle of singing ability.

It's funny noting how there are no hate threads on the imperfections of the other singers (Misha's sloppy phrasing, Kitty's strained belting, Craig's scooping) but the moment Janet has a quirk it is pounced upon. That isn't meant as a criticism to the other contestants either, there is just a bizarre and unfair double standard placed upon her.”

I do kind of agree with this mostly. I dont like her yelps BUT they are one thing that are always in tune - its the low notes she has tuning issues with generally. However I have also criticised Mishas vocals and also kittys on occasion (this week particularly).

I disagree with Autio-tune sounding jarring though. I prefer Melodyne as it is smoother, however if applied correctly you cant even tell auto-tune is there. It becomes more "obvious" and "jarring" the further away from pitch the original is. if you can tell its there - then the singer was quite a way off.

Perfect pitch isnt always necessary either, however on key notes - those big high ones, and the underpinning low ones, its really quite important. i dont mind Janet being off slightly in some parts - but its her consistent inability to hit low notes that are the problem.

She either needs to recognise she cant sing them in tune - find the lowest note she CAN sing in tune and sing in a key that allows that - or she needs to work and work and work on her vocal range to be able to get those low notes. Thats not a quick job - so for this competition she should change the key of songs so the low notes arnt TOO low.

KidPoker

13-11-2011

Where are the facts? How exactly is it a science?

I am afraid sir, but you do talk crap.

Rosie Red

13-11-2011

Janet is about the style of singing rather than the fact that she can. Or can't I should say. I never saw what the fuss was about in the first audition. She sounded like a child at a school concert. There's a quirkiness there that some people like, and which might establish her career, but last night's performance was - imo anyway- just awful.

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