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Old 07-10-2004, 12:16
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The BPI are to take legal action against 28 people who have uploaded thousands of music files. People who dont offer thousands of files for uploading have little to worry about as it would clog up the courts for years if they were to sue everyone!

The UK music industry reports sales of both CDs and singles in the country are recovering after years of decline.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...ic/3722428.stm

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10...s_filesharers/
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Old 07-10-2004, 13:26
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any hard news on which networks are being targetted?
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Old 07-10-2004, 16:39
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Kazaa's network is obvious. eMule will most likely follow with iMesh, WinMX and Shareaza after that.
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Old 07-10-2004, 17:11
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funny how the BPI never consider reducing CD prices.I was disgusted with their attitude towards CD WOW who provide a great service
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Old 07-10-2004, 18:51
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Originally Posted by DJ_Hedley
Kazaa's network is obvious. eMule will most likely follow with iMesh, WinMX and Shareaza after that.
Is it possible to target Soulseek? Someone on anotehr forum claimed it wasn't - is that true?
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Old 07-10-2004, 19:29
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Unless you have a static IP address you should be safe though, shouldn't you?
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Old 07-10-2004, 19:41
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Originally Posted by SirLink
Unless you have a static IP address you should be safe though, shouldn't you?
Possibly not. You are allocated a temporary IP address from your ISP's DHCP server. They might log which IP address was allocated to you at any particular time, although it's much easier if you're "caught in the act" while actually online.

If a user is suspected of file sharing, your ISP can audit all communications you make in a session.

In reality, given that so many people do it, my guess would be that they'll only go after those who are sharing hundreds of files. If you download the odd track, you're probably safe. It seems like they're going for the users who upload a large number of files for sharing rather than the occasional downloaders.

Bottom line: if you're going to use file sharing software, don't make your mp3 files available for others to download.
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Old 07-10-2004, 19:53
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Originally Posted by Eraserhead
Bottom line: if you're going to use file sharing software, don't make your mp3 files available for others to download.
Which effectively cures the problem in a stroke: if nobody has got any files available to upload, how the hell can anyone download?

My twopennorth?

I have downloaded hundreds of tracks, they are all contained within my album collection on vinyl. I bought the original album years ago and refuse to replace it with an overpriced CD. I'm backing up my data, that's all.
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Old 07-10-2004, 20:13
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The legal downloading sites have hardly provided an alternative have they?A legal downloaded lp costs practically the same as one purchased from CD WOW!.Hardly an enticing deal is it?
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Old 07-10-2004, 20:18
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Originally Posted by codhead
Which effectively cures the problem in a stroke: if nobody has got any files available to upload, how the hell can anyone download?
Which is why the enforcers are going for the uploaders - remove the supply and you remove the problem. If you want to make your files available for others, you're facing prosecution.

I'm afraid they've got us by the short and curlies on this one.
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Old 07-10-2004, 23:35
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SoulSeek might be on of the next that they target but eMule is getting big at the moment, so i'd expect them to be next to be targeted. Kazaa is going to take a while yet, though.
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Old 08-10-2004, 01:28
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Originally Posted by Eraserhead
If a user is suspected of file sharing, your ISP can audit all communications you make in a session.
Doesn't this violate the Data Protection Act?
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Old 08-10-2004, 22:33
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Your teacher going into your server space and printing a load of your coursework out for a display board isn't, apparently...
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Old 09-10-2004, 06:16
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Originally Posted by codhead
I have downloaded hundreds of tracks, they are all contained within my album collection on vinyl. I bought the original album years ago and refuse to replace it with an overpriced CD. I'm backing up my data, that's all.
You have in a way already paid for the music so I don't blame you. CD's are too expensive!!!!

What are people supposed to do if they want a music which is not in the shops and not on the legal download sites?

No option BUT p2p
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Old 09-10-2004, 07:49
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since getting broadband (yes i have been downloading songs) i have infact been buying more cds! (yep! more cds!)

i download some tracks that havent been released as singles to see if i like them then if i do i go and buy the album - if i dont then i dont buy the album!

either way the file gets removed in the end!
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Old 09-10-2004, 09:15
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That's exactly the point! Every downloaded track does NOT equate to a lost sale - I use P2P to audition obscure tracks, and also for some hard to find classical and opera stuff (I'm still learning about that type of music) and I end up buying a lot of stuff because of this.

I also am downloading stuff that I bought on vinyl etc.

They only get their knickers in a twist because a) they can see scary figures which the accountants turn into LOST sales and b) because they won't admit to themselves their pursuit of the next plastic pop idols is what is driving singles sales down (there has been a downward trend since well before P2P was developed.)

Funny, they said home taping would kill music. They said home video taping would kill cinema - infact the home video boom in the 80's lead to the renaissance of cinema! Music is public domain, it's on the tv, its on the radio, its played in shops etc - and I don't see the record companies creaming themselves when someone records a track on their stereo - an option that has been available since the 70's!
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Old 09-10-2004, 09:22
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I don't honestly believe that people who download tracks would have bought the cd's anyway. They'd have copied of their mates or gone without so there's no lost revenue there.

And what's the story with the online music stores? As far as I can make out the downloads are all protected so the files are not yours to do with as you wish. How is it that downloading poor quality, copy protected files is not much cheaper than buying a physical cd? Very odd. I find it hard to believe that people are using these stores.

The future has to be what Warp records are doing. They offer downloads off decent quality mp3s (128kbps is not decent quality, whatever anyone says) with no DRM protection. If you're interested in electronica then check it out.
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Old 09-10-2004, 11:02
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Originally Posted by Longboy
You have in a way already paid for the music so I don't blame you. CD's are too expensive!!!!

What are people supposed to do if they want a music which is not in the shops and not on the legal download sites?

No option BUT p2p
If you've paid for a copy on vinyl then you've paid for just that, you don't sort of own the music, if you walked into HMV say and walked out with a copy of the Star Wars DVDs without paying, how would the argument go down that as you'd paid for the VHS version that you sort of in a way already paid?
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Old 09-10-2004, 11:16
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Originally Posted by Longboy
You have in a way already paid for the music so I don't blame you. CD's are too expensive!!!!

What are people supposed to do if they want a music which is not in the shops and not on the legal download sites?

No option BUT p2p
If you've paid for a copy on vinyl then you've paid for just that, you don't sort of own the music, if you walked into HMV say and walked out with a copy of the Star Wars DVDs without paying, how would the argument go down that as you'd paid for the VHS version that you sort of in a way already paid?
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Old 09-10-2004, 12:06
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Originally Posted by boksbox
If you've paid for a copy on vinyl then you've paid for just that, you don't sort of own the music, if you walked into HMV say and walked out with a copy of the Star Wars DVDs without paying, how would the argument go down that as you'd paid for the VHS version that you sort of in a way already paid?
Probably not very well, as in your hand would be a physical object, some star wars DVDs.

There was an investigation a few years back, on the price of CDs in the shops, and their cost, and the record companies just about got away with the justification for their high cost.

The mainstream legal download sites charge roughly £1 per track, and in quite a few cases a whole album costs more in a low quality file, than it does as a physical CD at a much hiigher quality ( although audiophiles would argue thata CD isnt quality)
Not only that but the costs are somewaht lower for online distribution than the traditional method, theres no packaging costs, theres no distribution costs, no shopspace taken up ( with all its aditional costs) and no manufacturing costs.
so why are the UK based online sites charging so much for music, when the costs are so much lower?
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Old 09-10-2004, 15:42
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so why are the UK based online sites charging so much for music, when the costs are so much lower?
Its your Rip Off Britain isnt it!
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Old 10-10-2004, 12:16
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Originally Posted by DJ_Hedley
Kazaa's network is obvious. eMule will most likely follow with iMesh, WinMX and Shareaza after that.
What about Limewire?
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Old 10-10-2004, 12:33
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Originally Posted by sumner7
What about Limewire?
Kazaa and iMesh both use Fasttrack, and I think iMesh also uses Gnutella 1 - same as Limewire, Bearshare, Shareaza (although its main network is G2).
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Old 14-10-2004, 15:19
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Originally Posted by SirLink
Doesn't this violate the Data Protection Act?
Update

Today the English High Court today gave UK ISPs just 14 days to disclose the names and addresses of individuals the music industry claims have offered "massive" numbers of songs on P2P networks without permission.

It will be up to ISP's if they want to challenge it. RIAA had problems with this in the USA. The English Courts will no doubt steamroller it through.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10...p_court_order/
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Old 14-10-2004, 16:26
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Nice to see their article is completely unbiased!

Originally Posted by The Register
In the US, similar tactics employed by the Recording Industry Ass. of America (RIAA) have led to many file traders agreeing to stop sharing and to paying an often nominal fine for their actions to date.
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