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General X Factor: sales, charts, airplay etc...
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String9
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by my name is joe:
“no, it's doing about what i hoped given the negative response to Astro

and to quote another 1D fan on a diff thread "Yes, The Wanted got a boost from Glee last night. Also, the song has been on US radio since last September and is being played on roughly 150 US Top 40 radio stations.

So DUH, of course the song is doing well"

substitute Glee for DOI and we have the same situation with One Thing. It's no use claiming promo doesn't make a diff, we all saw One Thing jump up after it's tv slot...before which it was joined to the hip with WUB.

promo matters, 1D get thrown at the country until it submits, Cher has to survive on internet buzz and hard graft alone...and in the circumstances it's not unfair to say One Thing hasn't done great either”

There's a reason for that I'm sure.

We're happy with One Thing's performance, I didn't think it would make top 10 and no you cannot compare DOI to Glee. Glee is one of the biggest shows on American TV.
twingle
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by my name is joe:
“no, it's doing about what i hoped given the negative response to Astro

and to quote another 1D fan on a diff thread "Yes, The Wanted got a boost from Glee last night. Also, the song has been on US radio since last September and is being played on roughly 150 US Top 40 radio stations.

So DUH, of course the song is doing well"

substitute Glee for DOI and we have the same situation with One Thing. It's no use claiming promo doesn't make a diff, we all saw One Thing jump up after it's tv slot...before which it was joined to the hip with WUB.

promo matters, 1D get thrown at the country until it submits, Cher has to survive on internet buzz and hard graft alone...and in the circumstances it's not unfair to say One Thing hasn't done great either”

Joe yes i do agree both of them haven't done great. Compare to McFly and JLS (for 1D) and both bands sailed to number one with their singles.

But let's put it into perspective and compare the sales figures. Although record bosses would love top of the chart positions I wonder if the actual sales mean more to them.

These are both third singles and are on the album so are never going to sell at the same level as a single released before the album so perhaps in this contect they are both doing ok
Nelsonator15
22-02-2012
I love how Rebecca's album has fallen a bit and yet Nothing's Real But Love is rising steadily week on week, seemingly taking on a new lease of life! So much for being an 'album' artist. Wonder if this means Too Good To Lose will perform better when it's released, now that her singles may start having longevity as well?
String9
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by Nelsonator15:
“I love how Rebecca's album has fallen a bit and yet Nothing's Real But Love is rising steadily week on week, seemingly taking on a new lease of life! So much for being an 'album' artist. Wonder if this means Too Good To Lose will perform better when it's released, now that her singles may start having longevity as well? ”

I think the Nescafe ad has helped the song greatly, didn't really like the song when it was first released, but it has grown on me. Hope her next single does well.
Fatfeatheryowl
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by Bex.:
“ouch. i know it's the 3rd single, but it is a new version of the song”

Third singles are generally going to be more problematic than earlier ones when coming off an already released album. That said 1D's latest offering seems to have done fine chart wise at least.

WUB is undoubtedly suffering from lack of airplay especially no R1 listing at all very much in contrast to 1D's A listing. The Astro version in a UK context seems a bit weird and is not being as well received as the album original. That said the cherry picked original has sold 46k before the Astro version was even released which would've put it top 10 if they were lumped as pre orders so to speak.

Nevertheless despite a very healthy 10 million vevo views for WUB the lack of the oxygen of surplus is clearly a worrying development for Cher if it continues ( and despite other events recently I don't think she's cheesed off any radio stations by upsetting their shareholders unlike some I could mention )

In brighter news the album's just been released in NZ (first out side UK and Ire) and is top 10 on iTunes, WUB is top 3 on iTunes there, and WUL has been dotted around various far flung charts getting to 6 in the Philippines for instance ( no idea shat that means in sales significance) and going gold in Australia . Not all bad if not up to ID's jugganaut (honourable mention to Rebecca too)

One hopes the Astro version is part of LA Reid's Cher US master plan later this year.
Fatfeatheryowl
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by Fatfeatheryowl:
“Third singles are generally going to be more problematic than earlier ones when coming off an already released album. That said 1D's latest offering seems to have done fine chart wise at least.

WUB is undoubtedly suffering from lack of airplay especially no R1 listing at all very much in contrast to 1D's A listing. The Astro version in a UK context seems a bit weird and is not being as well received as the album original. That said the cherry picked original has sold 46k before the Astro version was even released which would've put it top 10 if they were lumped as pre orders so to speak.

Nevertheless despite a very healthy 10 million vevo views for WUB the lack of the oxygen of surplus is clearly a worrying development for Cher if it continues ( and despite other events recently I don't think she's cheesed off any radio stations by upsetting their shareholders unlike some I could mention )

In brighter news the album's just been released in NZ (first out side UK and Ire) and is top 10 on iTunes, WUB is top 3 on iTunes there, and WUL has been dotted around various far flung charts getting to 6 in the Philippines for instance ( no idea shat that means in sales significance) and going gold in Australia . Not all bad if not up to ID's jugganaut (honourable mention to Rebecca too)

One hopes the Astro version is part of LA Reid's Cher US master plan later this year.”

"surplus" above is supposed to be "air play". Can't type for toffee!
Bex.
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by my name is joe:
“um, 2nd time it's reached that position, the 1st 6 weeks ago, no airplay to speak of, no high profile tv shows.

i think you mean ouch at 1D already dropping to 18, i know it's the 3rd single but i'm sure the first Beatles would have done better

well you started it”

1D's album is still in the top 20.. where's Cher's oooh
donbon
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by Bex.:
“1D's album is still in the top 20.. where's Cher's oooh ”

We all know One Direction are doing the best out of the 2010 lot, but in terms of their 3rd single, it hasn't actually sold much more than Cher's. One Thing was top 10 last week but otherwise for the past month It's been charting close enough to Cher's single, and this is despite the fact that they have been a-listed by radio1 and she has less radio support than even Matt Cardle. Under those circumstances, she's doing remarkably well imo.
my name is joe
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by Bex.:
“1D's album is still in the top 20.. where's Cher's oooh ”

yeah but you have to listen to it so you might think you're winning but in reality you also lose

i get the feeling it's just gonna be "we won a brit you didn't.. doo-dah" from now on with you 1D'ers so i think i'll quit while i remain sane
toastedtoad
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by String9:
“There's a reason for that I'm sure.

We're happy with One Thing's performance, I didn't think it would make top 10 and no you cannot compare DOI to Glee. Glee is one of the biggest shows on American TV.”

Really?
Originally Posted by String9:
“That is fantastic. Both are sure to be top 5 when released.”

toastedtoad
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by donbon:
“We all know One Direction are doing the best out of the 2010 lot, but in terms of their 3rd single, it hasn't actually sold much more than Cher's. One Thing was top 10 last week but otherwise for the past month It's been charting close enough to Cher's single, and this is despite the fact that they have been a-listed by radio1 and she has less radio support than even Matt Cardle. Under those circumstances, she's doing remarkably well imo.”

I think she's doing well too and just seen on her FB page (yes I follow her) that WUB has been reduced to 59p so it might climb
shaunnashines
22-02-2012
Actually One Thing didn't really take off in the charts after the DOI performance. It was still stalling at around 24/25 until midweek.
String9
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by toastedtoad:
“Really? ”

Wow! coming from a Matt fan. Where has he charted?

Yes I initially hoped it would chart higher, but if you scan more of my posts as you've obviously been doing (scary) you will see that as the weeks progressed I realised a top 15 was a possibility.

Really surprised at this, am I not meant to be on your ignore list?
String9
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by donbon:
“We all know One Direction are doing the best out of the 2010 lot, but in terms of their 3rd single, it hasn't actually sold much more than Cher's. One Thing was top 10 last week but otherwise for the past month It's been charting close enough to Cher's single, and this is despite the fact that they have been a-listed by radio1 and she has less radio support than even Matt Cardle. Under those circumstances, she's doing remarkably well imo.”

I'm actually not debating that. I think she's done very well with this single, it was Joe who felt the need to start a war.

One Thing was a post album release, I'm sure all the fans have bought the album and as far as I'm concerned I don't think it's a song that appeals to anyone outside the fanbase, and the single would have been bought by the fans just to support the guys.

It's done very well for a third single and I think Cher has done very well without any airplay, at least she made the Top 40.
iseloid
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by String9:
“Wow! coming from a Matt fan. Where has he charted?

Yes I initially hoped it would chart higher, but if you scan more of my posts as you've obviously been doing (scary) you will see that as the weeks progressed I realised a top 15 was a possibility.

Really surprised at this, am I not meant to be on your ignore list?”

BIB .....*SHADE HEFFA SHADE!!*
iseloid
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by String9:
“I'm actually not debating that. I think she's done very well with this single, it was Joe who felt the need to start a war.

One Thing was a post album release, I'm sure all the fans have bought the album and as far as I'm concerned I don't think it's a song that appeals to anyone outside the fanbase, and the single would have been bought by the fans just to support the guys.

It's done very well for a third single and I think Cher has done very well without any airplay, at least she made the Top 40.”

top 40...and going down... *jokes*
Funny, I thought 1D and Cher were more popular. Hype must be fading off. And with OT peaking at #9, how did that happen if it was at 21 on itunes? amazon/play.com sales?
String9
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“top 40...and going down... *jokes*
Funny, I thought 1D and Cher were more popular. Hype must be fading off. And with OT peaking at #9, how did that happen if it was at 21 on itunes? amazon/play.com sales? ”

I see we even get hassle from Alexandra fans.. what? she's not charting too?
my name is joe
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by String9:
“Wow! coming from a Matt fan. Where has he charted?”

ach string, you're only response to reasonable points is always a tetchy one. Guitar based music desn't chart with singles anymore. Kasabian, Arctic monkeys, snow patrol, eevn N Gallagher struggle to get a single in the top 40. I doubt Matt Cardle will much trouble the singles chart again tbh but i'm not sure that matters....its 95% a pop/dance chart.

Originally Posted by String9:
“I'm actually not debating that. I think she's done very well with this single, it was Joe who felt the need to start a war.].”

huh! i made a case in response to a post, pointing out her single had done well in the circumstances, if that's starting a war, again i have to point to your weird tenacity and tetchiness. 1D's success hasn't made you very comfortable somehow
String9
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by my name is joe:
“ach string, you're only response to reasonable points is always a tetchy one. Guitar based music desn't chart with singles anymore. Kasabian, Arctic monkeys, snow patrol, eevn N Gallagher struggle to get a single in the top 40. I doubt Matt Cardle will much trouble the singles chart again tbh but i'm not sure that matters....its 95% a pop/dance chart.



huh! i made a case in response to a post, pointing out her single had done well in the circumstances, if that's starting a war, again i have to point to your weird tenacity and tetchiness. 1D's success hasn't made you very comfortable somehow”

Oh well. I'll leave you to it then.
iseloid
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by String9:
“I see we even get hassle from Alexandra fans.. what? she's not charting too?”

LOL! Soon to be stepping on these XF startups
Cher needs to get on promo. She's nowhere to be seen, and the negative vibes aren't helping IMO.
Fatfeatheryowl
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“LOL! Soon to be stepping on these XF startups
Cher needs to get on promo. She's nowhere to be seen, and the negative vibes aren't helping IMO.”

She works her rear end off to be fair. About a dozen radio interviews in the past two weeks, two or three kiddies' shows on tv, two morning tv shows, Blue Peter later this week, GAY gig last Saturday night, couple of magazine photo shoots (including the Sun on Saturday's magazine) Cheryl gate was not her finest hour ( if unintentional IMO) but her work ethic is always was one of her best features I think.
shaunnashines
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“top 40...and going down... *jokes*
Funny, I thought 1D and Cher were more popular. Hype must be fading off. And with OT peaking at #9, how did that happen if it was at 21 on itunes? amazon/play.com sales? ”

Physical releases and the ep sales combined with the album version.
iseloid
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by shaunnashines:
“Physical releases and the ep sales combined with the album version.”

Ah, ok thanks I did wonder...
iseloid
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by Fatfeatheryowl:
“She works her rear end off to be fair. About a dozen radio interviews in the past two weeks, two or three kiddies' shows on tv, two morning tv shows, Blue Peter later this week, GAY gig last Saturday night, couple of magazine photo shoots (including the Sun on Saturday's magazine) Cheryl gate was not her finest hour ( if unintentional IMO) but her work ethic is always was one of her best features I think.”

AH, ok. I'm not near a tv, so I think everyone has disappeared!
iseloid
22-02-2012
Guys...how does the airplay chart work? Is it a spins based list? And the impacts thing?
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