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Were LittleMix SEVERELY autotuned tonight?????????????????
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trollface
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by ItsTimmyTime:
“No, I didn't pick up on any autotune. When Kitty used it it was clearly being used for those opening lines in order to give a twisted, robotic feel”

People are still peddling this nonsense? Kitty did not use Autotune, she used a phaser. Very different thing.
Fizix
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by paulmapp8306:
“Has anyone here used Auto-Tune or Melodyne (the other big player)?

Its very difficult to get out of tune vocals to sound seamless. It can be done but you need to know what your doing, and do it manually which takes time. If you use the auto setting and let the software do its job, it corrects 90% OK, but some notes sound weird, and can even be auto-tuned to the wrong semi-tone.

While it CAN be used live - you have to be VERY confidant the vocalist will be pretty much spot on and maybe drift slightly, or you will ruin the track. It will be very obvious. I doubt very much that X-Factor are using any form of pitch correction live. The fact that they DID miss a few notes actually proves its not used as if it was those notes would have been tuned as well.

Recorded vocals - like the group sing on Sundays and the M&S Advert, are auto-tuned and its so obvious - even more than the miming.


It is much more likely that the in-ear monitors they are now using meant they could hear themselves - and more importantly for the groups hear the others, and so could be much tighter.”


^ This

If they were autotuned we would probably know, especially on a live performance. Autotune has a very distinctive, synthetic sound and on a live performance you are leaving the correction entirely down to a piece of software making a very quick decision. It would sound very synthetic.

It corrects errors but it never sounds natural, just watch a few Glee eps if you don't know what it autotune sounds like, its really glaring.

The only way you wouldn't notice it is if it was used very, very subtly which would be very dangerous on a live performance as if one of the singers did fluff up it would be really glaring, you'd suddenly have a line coming out sounding like R2D2 was performing.

Also they would need to sing pretty much perfectly for that to work anyway.
trollface
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by whydoiwatch:
“That Cher song, Believe, used a vocoder, not Auto-Tune.”

No it didn't, it used AutoTune, although they were still trying to keep AutoTune an industry secret at that point so put it about that it was a Vocoder.

Quote:
“A vocoder is the equivalent of using a wah-wah pedal for a guitar.”

No it isn't. The two aren't even remotely similar.
benfoldsfan
20-11-2011
i think those of you who are thinking they used AT last night (or excessive backing vocals on the track) are completely delusional, or just jumping on a band wagon.

their singing was EXCELLENT last night, and that is due to a few different factors (other than natural talent)

1) they have had a full week to concentrate on the piece after choosing it on monday
2) they didn't have a dance routine (apart from gesticulation and a little emoting), so could fully focus on the vocal
3) they could hear themselves for once.

i've listened to it several times back on my tv and on my computer (got great speakers) and there isn't even the faintest whiff of autotune. like others have said, reference glee, the m&s ad - and the terrible use of it in auditions last year to hear the difference.

the vocals sound fat because they are singing WELL and their voices are well compressed. compression is a tool is used in the main to boost certain frequences to control and limit peaks and troughs in dynamics. listen to their acapellas on xtra factor and listen closely to the acapella moments at the end of the track to see how brilliantly they did. you can pick the four parts of the harmony apart if you have an experienced ear.

overall, i'm really glad this thread exists, because it means LM were wonderful - and are true contenders!
trollface
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by paulmapp8306:
“ The fact that they DID miss a few notes actually proves its not used as if it was those notes would have been tuned as well.”

Exactly.
newportjoe25
20-11-2011
There wasn't any autotune on their solo vocals.

However, pre-recorded backing vocals were used in the chorus. They weren't as prominent as they usually are, but they were there. This is a fact. I'm a fan of this group and I hope they win it to be honest but there is no denying that backing vocals were used. They have been from day one of the live shows and the same applied to The Risk, One Direction et al. Anyone with a decent ear for vocals can surely hear this?
fog
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“Not autotuned but they're seemed to be a huge amount of voices on the backing track and at the same level in the soundmix as the four live vocals.

It does seem rather dodgy, as the backing vocals are so loud during the choruses....we can't even tell if the girls are doing harmonies or if the harmonies are pre-recorded onto the backing track. Gary hinted on the Xtra Factor tonight that the girls were getting way too much help from the backing track compared to the five soloists.”

Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“I'm very familiar with them : The Mamas and Papas were a classic four piece harmony group for example. But I'm pretty sure I can hear a lot more than four voices on Little Mix's choruses. The girls probably are very good singers, but I suspect the producers are giving them some help too (not just my opinion.....Gary alluded to it on Xtra Factor tonight).”

you're absolutely right eurostar. i was going to post the same points until i read yours. i really like little mix and would be quite pleased to see them win. but last night and at other times they often get massive extra vocals over their own live harmonies. mind you i've found this to pretty much always be the case with any of the groups on any series of xfactor.
this is why gary wants to hear them sing just on their own..stripped back..no heavy production. leaving them more exposed like the solo acts generally are. i don't think they need to be scared of doing this either because i think on the whole they can all sing well and do good harmony. oh yeah and certainly no autotuning going on in their live vocals.
KatrinaK
20-11-2011
As usual, when the underdogs get alot of support and on the way of becoming potential winners, fans of others acts get so threatened, that they have to use every card to hinder thier chances.

It's desperation and fear.

Until there is actual proof they were auto tuned, I'm going to take any claims as false.

So what is they were pitch perfect? It is possible you know.
trollface
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by KatrinaK:
“So what is they were pitch perfect? It is possible you know.”

They weren't pitch perfect, which is a good indicator that they weren't AutoTuned.
IsItThatDeep
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by KatrinaK:
“As usual, when the underdogs get alot of support and on the way of becoming potential winners, fans of others acts get so threatened, that they have to use every card to hinder thier chances.

It's desperation and fear.

Until there is actual proof they were auto tuned, I'm going to take any claims as false.

So what is they were pitch perfect? It is possible you know.”

They were not pitch perfect and have not been on any performance. No singer is totally pitch perfect but really good singers spot it and pull it back before most people would notice it. None of this years contestants are close to being pitch perfect, the closest is Marcus but even he misses the mark.
Alex250P
20-11-2011
I don't think they were. Tbh, they don't need to be. I've heard them do their acapella harmonies on the Xtra Factor and it sounded the same as last night.
milliejo
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by itsashrubery:
“I wouldnt listen to gary lol his act marcus had that many backing singers that finding marcus was like a game of wheres wally”

That is why he needed such a bright pink outfit that glowed in the dark...
I think Little Mix show what they will sound like as a band, once they are produced..I also think Perrie has the best female voice in the competition which shows the voice is not that important or else she would have got through as a soloist..
Wouie Lalsh
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by twingle:
“Oh strange I missed that and was really into X factor last year.

As others have said i think the ear monitors helped them. Sofa bet did an article last year on how the groups are always at a disadvantage due to the noise in the studio as well as having to hear each other whereas the soloists only have the music and the audience. I am glad they have finally realised these are an essential piece of equipment”

Oh yeah I remember that he seemed like a gospel singer.
GibsonSG
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by MakinItHappen:
“Tonight they were pitch perfect, all in tune and the harmonies were "as one". Apparently the auto tuner that XF use can be used in a live performance to correct any outliers (notes outside the bandwidth) and this has the effect of losing the errant notes. Tonight in harmonies it is very noticeable that the voices are not being transmitted via the live mikes but via an enhanced studio mix. (Shania Twain's whole tour had been handled with this level of artificiality for years).

This.

BBC News - X Factor admits tweaking vocals http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11056050

This

BBC News - How commonplace is auto-tune? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11056840

and this..

Pitch correction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_correction

PS: I am not against LittleMix, I think they are a talented group, I'd just like to know everyone's thoughts on the matter.”

Actually Antares is a studio technique so is usually used post production unless it is being used as a standalone effect. I remember the BBC article and from my memory the ho, hah was about the use of it at the audition stage which was pre-recorded.
bratwurzt
20-11-2011
This band was made up from rejects wasn't it? I would take the idea that they can all sing with a pinch of salt. Perrie is pretty cute though.
Eurostar
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by fog:
“you're absolutely right eurostar. i was going to post the same points until i read yours. i really like little mix and would be quite pleased to see them win. but last night and at other times they often get massive extra vocals over their own live harmonies. mind you i've found this to pretty much always be the case with any of the groups on any series of xfactor.
this is why gary wants to hear them sing just on their own..stripped back..no heavy production. leaving them more exposed like the solo acts generally are. i don't think they need to be scared of doing this either because i think on the whole they can all sing well and do good harmony. oh yeah and certainly no autotuning going on in their live vocals.”

It does seem a bit dodgy fog, as they are a four piece vocal group. Why should such a group need a load of vocals on the backing track? And are we listening to Little Mix's own voices on the backing track?
betterthantoday
20-11-2011
I'm just glad that there are more & more topics about Little Mix
IsItThatDeep
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by betterthantoday:
“I'm just glad that there are more & more topics about Little Mix ”

You do realise that the more popular they get, then the more diss/insult threads start on DS don't you
Snozzcumber
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by bratwurzt:
“This band was made up from rejects wasn't it? I would take the idea that they can all sing with a pinch of salt. Perrie is pretty cute though.”

Actually, that's been one of the big flaws of the competition this year. And it doesn't just apply to Little Mix.

The Risk also had vocalists who were better singers than some of the people chosen for the male solo category.

I think Tulisa desperately wanted her groups to be as good as possible, and I guess that's understandable for her, but that meant sapping the talent pool from other categories.
wsidi
20-11-2011
This is the most pathetic thread I've ever seen.

I was actually laughing at the links you thought work as 'evidence'
GibsonSG
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by wsidi:
“This is the most pathetic thread I've ever seen.

I was actually laughing at the links you thought work as 'evidence'”

Me too. Posted this earlier as it is getting annoying all the armchair experts telling us about autotune - which I have a copy of as a VST and use with Cakewalk.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...6#post54718106
M_apple5
20-11-2011
http://twitter.com/#!/JadeLittleMix

third tweet
twingle
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by Snozzcumber:
“Actually, that's been one of the big flaws of the competition this year. And it doesn't just apply to Little Mix.

The Risk also had vocalists who were better singers than some of the people chosen for the male solo category.

I think Tulisa desperately wanted her groups to be as good as possible, and I guess that's understandable for her, but that meant sapping the talent pool from other categories.”

I honestly believe that none of them put into groups are rejects and that applies to past years too. If you look at them they don't just pick on vocals but personality and looks. Although have to say Marlon Mckenzie is the one singer who disproves my theory. He towered above them all and stuck out like a sore thumb maybe why he was quickly replaced
bratwurzt
20-11-2011
http://i40.tinypic.com/2cwpqms.jpg
earnie
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by spkx:
“this may go some way of explaining their suddenly better harmonising this week: http://xfactor.tellymix.co.uk/news/5...ive-shows.html”

The writer of that article need to check his facts really. Cardle and Cher Lloyd definitely used them last year and apparently Danyl used one whichever series he was in.
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