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Marcus and Craigs sexuality
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IsItThatDeep
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by JHart:
“Until people become brave enough to sing about another man on primetime TV the public wll never get used to it. Ignorance is mostly caused by non-exposure. It took me and I'm sure many others out of the moment when he sang girl.”

Look what happened when Adam Lambert kissed a male guitarist in a performance at the AMA's, still don't think it would have caused as much controversy here though as it did is the USA.
Burkette
20-11-2011
Of course Cowell would never encourage openly Gay behaviour or want the finalists to be honest about it. The man has issues and is not comfortable with that issue. Not even Louis is openly Gay.
PollyAnnaGirl
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by JHart:
“Hello to everyone. I used to be a member of these forums a few years back but had all sorts of problems with my account that have now been sorted.

Wanted to start with something thats been bothering me. As a young gay man, I was so happy to have 4 openly gay finalists in the live shows this year. But it seems that despite their openess in the media, the show still does its best to make them appear straight. Aside from with johnny, who they camped up as much as possible. Its as if they think the British public can't deal with a gay act unless they are a novelty act thats over the top. I find it upsetting that both Craig and Marcus are still changing lyrics to songs to make them sound straight ("I won't stop until that girl is mine"). And Dermot insinuiating that Marcus was flirting with the female dancers despite knowing he was gay. People will argue that sexuality doesn't matter and is irrelevant to the competition, but if that were true then singing a same sex gender reference shouldn't matter either. The message the show seems to be sending out is that to get anywhere in the entertainment buisness you can't be gay.”

What would you have them do? Strut on stage like they're auditioning for Funny Girls?

Not everybody wants to wear their sexuality on their sleeves you know. Quite frankly, as long as the contestants are comfortable with it, I don't know what your gripe is.

I couldn't disagree more about your surmising about the general message being that you can't be gay in the entertainment industry. The Xfactor has a total laissez faire attitude to homosexuality in my opinion.
ribtickle
20-11-2011
They'll all be terrified of what happened to Austin Drage. I have no certainty as to Austin's sexual orientation, but his non affirmatives to Simon's excruciatingly embarrassing questions after his performance gave the impression he was gay, and he crashed out of the competition the next night.

Simon asked him if he'd liked dancing with the hot female dancers and which one was his favourite (to which Austin gave no reply), then Simon moved on, saying "ah, it's because you have a girlfriend so you don't want to answer....you do have a girlfriend, don't you?" (no reply).

For a young man in these competitions to give any indication he is gay - he loses votes from his core audience, the young dreamy females.
DreamingDan
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by milliejo:
“"family friendly wanting" Frankie was allowed to be showed womanising and getting drunk....only straight sexuality is family friendly...”

I agree, that's also why girls never have to change the lyrics cause lesbians are hot and all...
Tbf though it's not like people didn't complain about Frankie, that definitely backfired on them.


Originally Posted by Bumtiddlywinks:
“its not about the x factor pressuring them to be straight
the brutal truth is that craig singing about another man would be wierd and bring people out of the moment of the song.
and they wouldnt vote for him.
if he wants to win the competition he needs to appeal to the broadest section of people as possible. And he wouldnt be doing that if he chose to sing about another man.
the smartest thing he can do is whatever it takes to win. Then when hes got the position, money and status he can try and change the world by singing about another man.
the dumbest thing he can do is try to ram his own personality down peoples throats regardless of the effect on his popularity.
Ask katie waissel and kitty how far being yourself gets you.”

This would all make sense if not for one thing:
Craig could simply sing a song that has the appropriate lyrics in the first place or a neutral one.
It's not like there isn't a massive pool to choose from.
Instead he chose a song with lyric that fit his sexuality and then changed it to not fit his sexuality anymore.
That's not the smartest thing to do.
PollyAnnaGirl
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by Burkette:
“Of course Cowell would never encourage openly Gay behaviour or want the finalists to be honest about it. The man has issues and is not comfortable with that issue. Not even Louis is openly Gay.”

It totally depends on who the target audience is. If you're trying to appeal to One Direction type fans, I think male acts are asked to think twice about coming out, as it essentially kills their target audience. I often wonder if this is what happened with Joe McElderry.

Will Young was able to come out and still be successful, because he appealed to a slightly older audience.
JHart
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by PollyAnnaGirl:
“What would you have them do? Strut on stage like they're auditioning for Funny Girls?

Not everybody wants to wear their sexuality on their sleeves you know. Quite frankly, as long as the contestants are comfortable with it, I don't know what your gripe is.

I couldn't disagree more about your surmising about the general message being that you can't be gay in the entertainment industry. The Xfactor has a total laissez faire attitude to homosexuality in my opinion.”

I don't think the contestants are always comfortable with it, I have a feeling they get pressured and advised. Ofcourse I don;t want them to be over the top and camp, unless thats who they are naturally. Thats a stereotype that they made Johnny Robinson play up to. They can be true to who they are and be a role model to kids watching this show who have so few gay role models in mainstream media and make them feel its ok for them to be different from the "norm". Pretending and making yourself fit in sends the message that being gay is something that should be hidden because its a disadvantage.
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