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Old 20-11-2011, 22:55
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What has happened to the music lately? There doesn't appear to be even one single decent song in the charts. I am sure I could hear 30 or 35 of those songs and they would sound the same. What is worse is they lack any clear ability to speak English and have the social skills of rabid monkeys when they are on TV.

Is this what we refer to as talent or is this what the youth of today see as talent today because they're really missing a trick if they think this is what music is.

Food for thought: http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/...ng?sc=fb&cc=fp
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Old 20-11-2011, 23:02
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Yawn...oh right have you finished?

While I may agree that there is a fair ammount of music in the charts that isn't to my taste, I can't help but roll my eyes at your post, I swear the same thing was being written on internet forums way back in the 90s when I started using music forums. And I'm sure the same thing has been said countless times throughout the ages.

Just accept that music has moved in one direction and has left you behind, turn off Radio 1 and switch to Radio 2 or Magic etc!
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Old 21-11-2011, 00:26
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Yawn...oh right have you finished?

While I may agree that there is a fair ammount of music in the charts that isn't to my taste, I can't help but roll my eyes at your post, I swear the same thing was being written on internet forums way back in the 90s when I started using music forums. And I'm sure the same thing has been said countless times throughout the ages.

Just accept that music has moved in one direction and has left you behind, turn off Radio 1 and switch to Radio 2 or Magic etc!

You say you have been using internet forums since the 90s but you appear confused as to how a forum works. Let me help you. When a post is made it is more than likely that the poster has finished what they have said. If you ask the poster if they have finished, they will not return on internet forums to tell you they have. This isn't like a telephone line - it just doesn't work like that.

I'll lend you a hand with some other conversational techniques and discussion parameters too.

For instance, my original post was about how dreadful the music was today. I also placed a link as to how the recording industry had changed as well. This therefore illustrated my post. When someone posts on internet forums they outline their ideas in full throughout that post. Therefore, your response was irrelevant and also cliched and lacking any discursive merit because you ignored the original post because you believed what you knew was better and against the evidence provided in the original post. You didn't counter the claims in the original post with any evidence, you merely gave some information from your experience from the 90s and left it at that assuming it was the be all and end all; that you conclusively responded relevantly.

I was also around in the 90s and I don't recall the music like this. I don't recall people attacking the charts like this. We had some of the greatest albums of all time during the 90s. Bands like U2, Radiohead, Oasis and many bands still around today were making their best records. They were distinctive and unique and remain around today as distinctive. Today there is in the industry as manufactured rock as well as pop whereby you can create a package of:

tour
album
promotion
merchandise
brand

From this the record company expects a return. This is made from free market music demands. When an artist goes to some country overseas - it's because it's cheap, not because they are good. This is what has happened in recent years to music. It is cheaper to make music. The bands I illustrated above and many others that are still around today who are technologically proficient and as I illustrated in the first post, do not require outsourcing of every single operation of making a single/album as they have the resources in house for themselves because they are real musicians. Real musicans, not because they play their own instruments but they can create and make their own music from the bottom to the top and back again.

Oh I could go on and on about how much money a record company makes, how much money it saves from the industry, how it saves money and they were well aware of the digital piracy as it came in line with overseas operations but I expected some respect from posters on here who won't come barging through like a hurricane assuming posters don't have knowledge of music and the industry... but please, if you wish to provide a cliched response as "oh everyone says that about their own era", I could respond with the kind of bands I listen today who make the charts look like the production line of corporate excrement that it is today and they make a good living from it too. Welcome to the new world.

I am sure all this rings true. Your username was a huge marketing operations to re-brand Britney.
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Old 21-11-2011, 00:49
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My god, is your life THIS empty?

You even took the joke "are you finished yet" seriously, jesus christ...
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Old 21-11-2011, 01:04
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It is just nostalgia imo. I like music from 80s to now and there is always some rubbish in the charts. Are you a rock fan or just snobbish at others music tastes? It is just what is popular at the moment like a few years ago i think iirc rnb had a good surge of popularity and recently dance which is showing signs it is now passing.
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Old 21-11-2011, 01:17
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Which is why I could not care less about the charts any more - we know how it works. Let some people get themselves worked up about things like "who's going to be no.1", the goings-on of X Factor, and other trivial matters which are nothing to do with music itself - no-one will remember in years time. I need not worry about all that nonsense, I just listen to the music I love.

Occasionally there's the odd chart song I like - and I do happen to like some commercial artists - but generally to find good music you just need to look elsewhere - it's not difficult with the internet at our disposal. I've discovered loads of amazing music for myself this year and bought over 75 albums in the process, so I don't need to worry about the latest fads in the charts.
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Old 21-11-2011, 05:49
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My god, is your life THIS empty?

You even took the joke "are you finished yet" seriously, jesus christ...
My life is unbelievably full.

Your view of humour isn't exactly in line with convention considering you took an insult as humour.
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Old 21-11-2011, 05:50
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It is just nostalgia imo. I like music from 80s to now and there is always some rubbish in the charts. Are you a rock fan or just snobbish at others music tastes? It is just what is popular at the moment like a few years ago i think iirc rnb had a good surge of popularity and recently dance which is showing signs it is now passing.
I listen to everything. Almost everything. There is a lot of dance music around today which I listen to but the charts are garbage. For the life of me I can't understand how N-Dubz are popular. I like Tulisa, because she is attractive but wow that music is utterly dreadful. I don't think there is one song in the top 40 that hasn't been manipulated by around 500 people in a record company - originality is dead.
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Old 21-11-2011, 08:36
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That article in the first post tells us absolutely nothing that we didn't already know. And I say this as a Rihanna fan.

However, I do believe that charts are quite bad at the moment. Probably the worst they've been in my lifetime. There are a few songs I like, but travel back 5 years, and I would've probably liked 30 songs in any given top 40. It's a shame how music has gone down-hill. I think it's too much euro-dance music at the moment, and it all sounds the same.

I think dance music is dieing though. Party Rock Anthem seems to have killed it, and people might now be fed up and want to move on to a wider variety of music now, hopefully.

I listen to everything. Almost everything. There is a lot of dance music around today which I listen to but the charts are garbage. For the life of me I can't understand how N-Dubz are popular. I like Tulisa, because she is attractive but wow that music is utterly dreadful. I don't think there is one song in the top 40 that hasn't been manipulated by around 500 people in a record company - originality is dead.
I like N-Dubz. I think they're some of the better and more talented musicians in the charts. They can actually play instruments and write their own lyrics, for example.

As to your bit in bold, here's a list of songs in the current top 40 which haven't had much interference from the record label:

Ed Sheeran - Lego House
Professor Green - Read All About It
Christina Perri - Jar of Hearts
Drake - Take Care
Lana Del Ray - Video Games
Loick Essien - Me Without You
Florence & The Machine - Shake It Out
Ed Sheeran - The A Team
Maverick Sabre - I Need
Elbow - One Day Like This
Christina Perri - A Thousand Years
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Old 21-11-2011, 08:47
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.... ive been following music since the mid 60's, and ive heard people moaning about the state of the charts every year since! even when things were really good and varied, there were always people who wanted 'better'..

are todays charts any worse?... hmm... i do think so, i dont see originality nor variety, but maybe thats just a natural progression now all the basic styles have been done.

the glory days of innovation and discovery have gone, im not sure where there is left to go, so things will be repeated.
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Old 21-11-2011, 10:32
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I think the problem at the moment is bland uniformity-but that ,will be its downfall. People get fed up, kids grow up and move onto other acts and younger kids want something different. Its always been that way.

Its like around 1991, rave music, of the commercial sort that made the charts, dominated the top 40, most of it being samples or tacky instrumentals. Vocal dance music and RnB/Dance crossovers where virtually non existent in the mainstream for a while.It was a nightmare for me as I was into the more soulful stuff But by 1993, it all changed again, 'the songs' came back and most of the tacky dance crap was gone. And acts like the Prodigy who IMO had a dodgy start, upped there game and survived.

If you want very bad charts, watch the TOTP 1976 repeats that are being aired by BBC4.

I think a bit of excitement is needed to liven things up, we seem to have dance/rnb/hip hop hybrid which sounds past its sell by date now and the Adele type of act. Its a bit:yawn: whether it is actually bad music is another matter.

On a completely separate note, I'm surprised there isn't a pinned chart discussion thread to discuss the weekly charts-in fact there could be two, one for old and classic charts as well.
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Old 21-11-2011, 11:20
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I think the problem at the moment is bland uniformity-but that ,will be its downfall. People get fed up, kids grow up and move onto other acts and younger kids want something different. Its always been that way.

Its like around 1991, rave music, of the commercial sort that made the charts, dominated the top 40, most of it being samples or tacky instrumentals. Vocal dance music and RnB/Dance crossovers where virtually non existent in the mainstream for a while.It was a nightmare for me as I was into the more soulful stuff But by 1993, it all changed again, 'the songs' came back and most of the tacky dance crap was gone. And acts like the Prodigy who IMO had a dodgy start, upped there game and survived.

If you want very bad charts, watch the TOTP 1976 repeats that are being aired by BBC4.

I think a bit of excitement is needed to liven things up, we seem to have dance/rnb/hip hop hybrid which sounds past its sell by date now and the Adele type of act. Its a bit:yawn: whether it is actually bad music is another matter.

On a completely separate note, I'm surprised there isn't a pinned chart discussion thread to discuss the weekly charts-in fact there could be two, one for old and classic charts as well.
agreed about the totp progs from 76, 76 pre-punk was pretty dire with only abba that produced anything decent.

we have requested a retro sub forum, as several retro threads have been running for over a year, old charts would have fitted into that obviously, but ive heard nothing from admin.
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Old 21-11-2011, 12:05
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Its like around 1991, rave music, of the commercial sort that made the charts, dominated the top 40, most of it being samples or tacky instrumentals. Vocal dance music and RnB/Dance crossovers where virtually non existent in the mainstream for a while.It was a nightmare for me as I was into the more soulful stuff But by 1993, it all changed again, 'the songs' came back and most of the tacky dance crap was gone.
Great post. It was actually amazing to see how dominant "bands" like Capella and other Euro-based dance acts were over those few years. It was like a post-rave commercialization which vanished as fast as it arrived.

Producer Gianfranco Bortolotti apparently made $30m over three years for churning out euro-dance into the UK charts by the bucket load. He claimed he was writing and completing a track at the rate of one a day at one point!

They were always accompanied by crappy cheap videos, partly because they were turning them over so fast, but they sold 100s of thousands by default - and notably you really had to sell that many to chart in the top ten those days.

Radio 1 was dominated - and I mean dominated - by stuff like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWIDDxNrwPo

Even local radio stations would bring in local club DJs to do four hours on a Friday to do back to back sessions.

Then BOOM, it all vanished by the mid 90s! Crazy! But they all made their money as this was before the internet was viable for downloading etc.
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Old 21-11-2011, 12:34
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^^

Yeah it was a nightmare. I always remember I think it was a group called Altern 8 being on TOTP and thinking it was a nightmare-it cant get any worse. Made more frustrating by so much good under ground dance stuff not getting a look in and a fantastic resurgence or development of the RnB scene in the US which was going virtually ignored here.

Around 93 and in particular 94 quality dance music came back into the mainstream and some seriously good RnB took the charts by storm. Interestingly traditional mainstream pop music had a resurgence as well,

Result!
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Old 21-11-2011, 13:07
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Completley with kutox on this one, we have both touched on this on another thread, there is so much music out there you can discover yourself with all the latest technology at your disposal. Have to say for me the dance music scene in the early nineties (excluding the rave/pop crap) was pretty exciting and vibrant, even in the late nineties/2000 when everything went trancetastic and garage it still was pretty fresh. Someone mentioned N-Dubz on here reason they have been successful is they brought on charlotte church's ex manager and went mainstream under his guidance. Still amazing that someone who looks like they would hang out around newsagents and mug you for a tenner (dappy) can have a NO 1 though.
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Old 21-11-2011, 13:51
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Which is why I could not care less about the charts any more - we know how it works. Let some people get themselves worked up about things like "who's going to be no.1", the goings-on of X Factor, and other trivial matters which are nothing to do with music itself - no-one will remember in years time. I need not worry about all that nonsense, I just listen to the music I love.
I came to the same conclusion over 30 years ago when I was a teenager. i just wish the Internet had been around then as I've discovered so much new music over the last 10 - 15 years or so. Very little, if any, of which would ever get in to the singles chart.
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Old 21-11-2011, 18:17
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All modern music is crap, I say, it my parents said it and when my daughter has kids she will say it. Such is a universal truth....
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Old 21-11-2011, 18:52
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I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me, and it'll happen to you, too
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Old 21-11-2011, 19:51
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The charts have ALWAYS been full of rubbish.

When i was a kid in the 80s, watching top of the pops, it was cliff richard on there!

I hated music, even all the rock was old men with stupid hair.

Nirvana made lazy people like me realise there was a lot of really good music out there that isn't in the charts. I now love music and listen to stuff like my chemical romance, the blackout, avenged sevenfold, papa roach, bullet for my valentine, afi, 30 seconds to mars, plus others nobody will have heard of. Bands most people may have heard of, but think they only have a few songs. The ones they hear on the radio or see on tv.or hear on the jukebox in the pub. But they all have many much much better songs than the few hits deemed sanitised enough for the general public to be spoon-fed.

Ok, my music taste isn't for everybody, i know that, but whatever genre you listen to theres a whole world of stuff out there if you go and discover it.
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Old 21-11-2011, 20:36
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I listen to everything. Almost everything. There is a lot of dance music around today which I listen to but the charts are garbage. For the life of me I can't understand how N-Dubz are popular. I like Tulisa, because she is attractive but wow that music is utterly dreadful. I don't think there is one song in the top 40 that hasn't been manipulated by around 500 people in a record company - originality is dead.
Ed Sheeran, Emeli Sande, Labrinth, Maverick Sabre, Wretch 32, Florence + The Machine? All British artists who write/produce their own material. No manipulation involved.
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Old 21-11-2011, 21:45
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That article in the first post tells us absolutely nothing that we didn't already know. And I say this as a Rihanna fan.

However, I do believe that charts are quite bad at the moment. Probably the worst they've been in my lifetime. There are a few songs I like, but travel back 5 years, and I would've probably liked 30 songs in any given top 40. It's a shame how music has gone down-hill. I think it's too much euro-dance music at the moment, and it all sounds the same.

I think dance music is dieing though. Party Rock Anthem seems to have killed it, and people might now be fed up and want to move on to a wider variety of music now, hopefully.



I like N-Dubz. I think they're some of the better and more talented musicians in the charts. They can actually play instruments and write their own lyrics, for example.

As to your bit in bold, here's a list of songs in the current top 40 which haven't had much interference from the record label:

Ed Sheeran - Lego House
Professor Green - Read All About It
Christina Perri - Jar of Hearts
Drake - Take Care
Lana Del Ray - Video Games
Loick Essien - Me Without You
Florence & The Machine - Shake It Out
Ed Sheeran - The A Team
Maverick Sabre - I Need
Elbow - One Day Like This
Christina Perri - A Thousand Years

Ed Sheeran - Lego House (Definitely Interfered)
Professor Green - Read All About It (Definitely Interfered)
Christina Perri - Jar of Hearts (Definitely Interfered)
Drake - Take Care (Definitely Interfered)
Lana Del Ray - Video Games (Oh come on, that styling!! (Definitely Interfered))
Loick Essien - Me Without You (Definitely Interfered)
Florence & The Machine - Shake It Out (This should be obviousDefinitely Interfered)
Ed Sheeran - The A Team (Definitely Interfered)
Maverick Sabre - I Need (Definitely Interfered)
Elbow - One Day Like This (Since 2006 - Definitely Interfered)
Christina Perri - A Thousand Years (Definitely Interfered)

If you think the article above doesn't tell you anything new then why don't you think the above artists aren't interfered with. Do you think record companies have money to burn for these people?

Calling N-Dubz musicians is like calling a Tomato a vegetable.
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Old 21-11-2011, 21:47
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Ed Sheeran, Emeli Sande, Labrinth, Maverick Sabre, Wretch 32, Florence + The Machine? All British artists who write/produce their own material. No manipulation involved.
The way music is made today it is interfered completely. Most of the artists above, actually all of them have been interfered with. Reasons being illustrated above.

The assumption they are not is a lack of understanding towards the current state of music and production.
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Old 21-11-2011, 22:05
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In your opinion. :sleep:
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Old 22-11-2011, 01:39
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I respect your right to voice your opinion, but I'm going to chip in with the comment "Big Whoop".

Music in the charts is music which is the most popular with the public...

When songs I love don't do well in the charts, and a song of lesser-quality does well I simply think "Aw, that's too bad..." and move on. It isn't the end of the world or anything to get too worked up about.

More disposable music dominates the singles chart whereas more credible musicians rule the album chart. If I'm right, Albums sales are more viable anyways.

Music taste is subjective. Just because you don't like music which is doing well in the charts doesn't mean that it isn't enjoyed/liked/loved by others.
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Old 22-11-2011, 07:17
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The way music is made today it is interfered completely. Most of the artists above, actually all of them have been interfered with. Reasons being illustrated above.

The assumption they are not is a lack of understanding towards the current state of music and production.
Explain this bit please. Now Michael Jackson is now dead, you mst mean in another way
Actually it is YOUR assumption/opinion that all the music in the charts is rubbish shows YOUR lack of understanding of the word SUBJECTIVE. What you say is purely your opinion. Another person (probably someone of chart music buying age and not older like you.....how old ARE you?) would say that the charts of today are full of supern music but the charts of yesteryear were crap. Neither of you are right or wrong. But the way you type your posts, would have us think you are the gospel and what you say is correct. That is bollox. You either like music or you dont. It is that simple.
I am in my 50's and I have loved music since a very early age. John Peel was my hero as a teenager and into my 20's. He introduced me to many fantastic bands and artists. However I am still liking the new ones that chart today. Example, Calvin Harris, Lady Gaga, David Guetta, Lady Antebellum, Rhianna, amongst them. So stop turning into your parents. It isnt pretty, and we will all do it eventually.
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