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FACT: The UK - since being forced into the EEC (now EU) - has paid over twice as much into the EEC/EU that she has got out of it.
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We don't want to be in the anachronistic EU - the most recent opinion poll here in the UK on the subject shows support for withdrawal from the EU at a record high - and we certainly do not want your useless euro.
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One thing I like about Germany is there seems to be a good relationship between the unions and employers. Over here it seems to be more adversarial.
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France and Italy are about Britain's size yet they also contribute more than the UK.
On a per capita basis, even Slovenia (since you bring it up) contributes more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_...European_Union France and Italy both contribute less per capita. Slovenia is a net beneficiary per capita, recieving 1443 Euros per person more than they contribute. |
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Wrong, according to this article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_...European_Union France and Italy both contribute less per capita. Slovenia is a net beneficiary per capita, recieving 1443 Euros per person more than they contribute. |
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do you have figures from any other source, as those seem to be contested quite heavily.
I simply felt that the posting was wrong, given what has been in the general media over the last few years. |
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I dont, but I would be interested if you have. I simply Googled and went for the first result. Wikipedia may not have the best reputation but I would doubt it would be very far out on something so heavily contested. Their references seem to be official sources - I would look into it but I am just about to go to a job.
I simply felt that the posting was wrong, given what has been in the general media over the last few years. I'll see if I can russel them up for you, over your mid-morning coffee
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Their references seem to be official sources - I would look into it but I am just about to go to a job.
According to the BBC's data, France and Italy contribute more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8036097.stm |
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Never mind; I see that the UK's net contribution is still bigger according to the BBC data. I wonder, however, if it takes the rebate into account?
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Come on , own up, how many voted yes in the
European Common Market referendum in 1975 ? quote Just over 67% of voters supported the Labour government's campaign to stay in the EEC, end quote. that massive yes vote ensured that we stayed in the common market. It was a trick though because as the years went by, new legislation came out and suddenly we found ourselves locked into a political union that was taking away UK sovereignty and independence. Very soon now we are going to have to pay the bill to support this mad single currency and all the EU expansion that has gone on over the years. Turkey could be the next one in... but why stop there ? lets invite Pakistan to join ? why not ? |
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Their reference is a Eurosceptic lobbying group which argues that many EU powers should be returned to the member states. If you look at the article's discussion group, many Wikipedia commenters are critical of the data and its origin. I wouldn't be surprised if the data doesn't take things like the UK rebate into account.
According to the BBC's data, France and Italy contribute more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8036097.stm Go to your link and click the 'net by population' button......France and Italy are below the UK.... As an addendum, timbo, the referendum vote was the first ever vote I cast - I voted 'no', because I could see what it was going to become even back then. |
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The pigis are all in a mess
Portugal Ireland Greece Italy Spain Wheras Germany seems rich in comparison with a strong economy and the biggest, most lucrative car industry in all of Europe. Two world wars and blanket bombing by Britain and America, dont seem to have stopped the economic dynamo that Germany has become. How do they do it ? the moral and economic devastation of WW2 would have sank any other country.. but Germany rose like a phoenix from the ashes and is now calling the shots in Europe. After reunification with East Germany...... Germany's population is 81.7 million wheras France comes in at 65.4 million and UK at 62 million. Germany is no longer the compliant, guilt ridden nation of former years, it is beginning to flex its economic muscles at the highest levels of diplomacy... Germany is beginning to call the shots. Britain, now a minor military and economic power on the world scene, can only stand on the sidelines and wring its hands as Germany takes centre stage. |
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A book I read recently gave the pig pop of Britain at 8 million
and the pig pop of Germany as 34 million ! The figures have no doubt increased since the date of that book ! That's still one huge difference in numbers but then the Germans are very fond of their wurste.... https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wu...w=1268&bih=518 |
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Think Frank Dobson once said, in the UK we're good at selling life insurance and McDonalds burgers to one another.
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yes, they are bastards but they are our bastards. Without them we wouldn't be raking in the money, which we currently are.
We need the tax to be levied throughout the world, else we lose a big source of our own money. |
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And yet the most productive car factory anywhere in Europe is not in Germany but in the UK, funny that. Nissan here even makes more cars than the whole of Italy. Some people whine that it isn't British owned, who cares the people working at Nissan just continue to work at being amongst the best in the world, much more important.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/2...ductivity.html
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And yet the most productive car factory anywhere in Europe is not in Germany but in the UK, funny that. Nissan here even makes more cars than the whole of Italy. Some people whine that it isn't British owned, who cares the people working at Nissan just continue to work at being amongst the best in the world, much more important.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/2...ductivity.html
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Germany has a bigger popular nation that the UK.
The UK pays in a massive amount of money into the EU and gets LESS THAN HALF OF IT BACK. Through our payments to the EU, we are heavily subsidising the economies of a number of EU nations - including the one you are posting from (Slovenia). DO NOT expect this to continue forever. One of the reasons that more money is spent on helping countries like Slovenia develop their infrastructure is that UK companies benefit from selling their expertise and services when they are doing so. To a lesser extent we also benefit from selling goods to their developing economies, but unfortunately since we dismantled most of our industry in the 80's and 90's that role is fulfilled mostly by Germany. |
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BIB Rolls Royce used to advertise that they made the best car in the world, I note that Mercedes now seem to be running that advert now...
estingly Rolls Royce aero engines are the second biggest manufacturers of aero engines in the world. when you consider the UK is far from being the second biggest nation in the world its a fair old achievement, wouldn't you agree ? http://myjetreview.com/html/rolls-royce_aerospace.html |
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Interestingly Rolls Royce aero engines are the second biggest manufacturers of aero engines in the world. when you consider the UK is far from being the second biggest nation in the world its a fair old achievement, wouldn't you agree ?
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One thing I like about Germany is there seems to be a good relationship between the unions and employers. Over here it seems to be more adversarial.
Government also works hand in hand with companies. They believe in Society and in communities, something our politicians gave up on back in the 1980s. Their entire culture is one of working together for the success of all. |
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Their entire culture is one of working together for the success of all. |
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And yet the most productive car factory anywhere in Europe is not in Germany but in the UK, funny that. Nissan here even makes more cars than the whole of Italy. Some people whine that it isn't British owned, who cares the people working at Nissan just continue to work at being amongst the best in the world, much more important.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/2...ductivity.html
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On your way then
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The pigis are all in a mess
Portugal Ireland Greece Italy Spain Wheras Germany seems rich in comparison with a strong economy and the biggest, most lucrative car industry in all of Europe. Two world wars and blanket bombing by Britain and America, dont seem to have stopped the economic dynamo that Germany has become. How do they do it ? the moral and economic devastation of WW2 would have sank any other country.. but Germany rose like a phoenix from the ashes and is now calling the shots in Europe. After reunification with East Germany...... Germany's population is 81.7 million wheras France comes in at 65.4 million and UK at 62 million. Germany is no longer the compliant, guilt ridden nation of former years, it is beginning to flex its economic muscles at the highest levels of diplomacy... Germany is beginning to call the shots. Britain, now a minor military and economic power on the world scene, can only stand on the sidelines and wring its hands as Germany takes centre stage. |
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So when are you emigrating.
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