Agree OP. HarryM is a repugnant little character. As arrogant as he is useless. Gbemi has been horrible in previous weeks, but this week she merely made a design mistake - a matter of taste. She didn't deserve to go over that spoiled little brat.
HarryM should have gone
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I never really understood the team's criticism that Harry took none of their suggestions 
I mean whose brand name was it? - Lizzie. And who started the idea of the 'geeky girl' for the advert? - James.
Harry only seemed to get defensive about his ideas when he was met with a barrage of 'No! No! No! No!...'
It reminded me of the task in the final of series 5, designing the chocolates. Yasmina tried the unique angle of targetting men, but soon realized that women are usually the ones who really care about that sort of thing and therefore aiming at them would be the better option.
Chocolates aren't necessarily the same sort of thing as deoderant
but in both cases men will definitely take the easiest option and won't bother considering many of the things a woman would.
I mean whose brand name was it? - Lizzie. And who started the idea of the 'geeky girl' for the advert? - James.
Harry only seemed to get defensive about his ideas when he was met with a barrage of 'No! No! No! No!...'
Originally Posted by The Rhydler:
“As for deoderants, yeah, I'm sure there are guys out there who take their time and select the right deoderant for their oh so sensitive armpits, but I'd bet cash money 80% of UK males blindly grab a lynx without even thinking about it. Women you must admit would take more care in such a thing.”
“As for deoderants, yeah, I'm sure there are guys out there who take their time and select the right deoderant for their oh so sensitive armpits, but I'd bet cash money 80% of UK males blindly grab a lynx without even thinking about it. Women you must admit would take more care in such a thing.”
It reminded me of the task in the final of series 5, designing the chocolates. Yasmina tried the unique angle of targetting men, but soon realized that women are usually the ones who really care about that sort of thing and therefore aiming at them would be the better option.
Chocolates aren't necessarily the same sort of thing as deoderant
but in both cases men will definitely take the easiest option and won't bother considering many of the things a woman would.
Originally Posted by Queen__Bea:
“Agree OP. HarryM is a repugnant little character. As arrogant as he is useless. Gbemi has been horrible in previous weeks, but this week she merely made a design mistake - a matter of taste. She didn't deserve to go over that spoiled little brat.”
“Agree OP. HarryM is a repugnant little character. As arrogant as he is useless. Gbemi has been horrible in previous weeks, but this week she merely made a design mistake - a matter of taste. She didn't deserve to go over that spoiled little brat.”
Oh come on, he's ADORABLE!
If you watched all the previous episodes - the otheres have repeatedly ignored everything Harry has offered up - even when he was right! Every single one of them has knocked back everything he proposed - simplpy because it was him who suggested it.
Granted he was wrong about going for the name first - but he was probably well aware that if he didn't put his foot down when he was PM - he would be pulled up for not managing properly.
He took a risk with what he did - but as PM he was in the Boardroom final 3 anyway - and at least he was there for his own decisions and not anyone else's. He took the right two back with him too - Gbemi was 80% responsible for the awful packaging, and James' negativity and attack on Harry on the second morning made him the 3rd person. Lizzie allowed Gbemi to over ride her input on the packaging (and both of them ignored Harry's sensible suggestion of red and pink packaging for that dismal black grey and gold) - but redeemed herself by giving a good pitch.
Given her past record on tasks and her insistence that the abomiation of a design was good - she was the obvious one to go - she was even less of a team player than Harry was. At least he did what he was asked without behaving like a sulky child or looking like a bulldog chewing a wasp!
Granted he was wrong about going for the name first - but he was probably well aware that if he didn't put his foot down when he was PM - he would be pulled up for not managing properly.
He took a risk with what he did - but as PM he was in the Boardroom final 3 anyway - and at least he was there for his own decisions and not anyone else's. He took the right two back with him too - Gbemi was 80% responsible for the awful packaging, and James' negativity and attack on Harry on the second morning made him the 3rd person. Lizzie allowed Gbemi to over ride her input on the packaging (and both of them ignored Harry's sensible suggestion of red and pink packaging for that dismal black grey and gold) - but redeemed herself by giving a good pitch.
Given her past record on tasks and her insistence that the abomiation of a design was good - she was the obvious one to go - she was even less of a team player than Harry was. At least he did what he was asked without behaving like a sulky child or looking like a bulldog chewing a wasp!
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“If you watched all the previous episodes - the otheres have repeatedly ignored everything Harry has offered up - even when he was right! Every single one of them has knocked back everything he proposed - simplpy because it was him who suggested it.
Granted he was wrong about going for the name first - but he was probably well aware that if he didn't put his foot down when he was PM - he would be pulled up for not managing properly.
He took a risk with what he did - but as PM he was in the Boardroom final 3 anyway - and at least he was there for his own decisions and not anyone else's. He took the right two back with him too - Gbemi was 80% responsible for the awful packaging, and James' negativity and attack on Harry on the second morning made him the 3rd person. Lizzie allowed Gbemi to over ride her input on the packaging (and both of them ignored Harry's sensible suggestion of red and pink packaging for that dismal black grey and gold) - but redeemed herself by giving a good pitch.
Given her past record on tasks and her insistence that the abomiation of a design was good - she was the obvious one to go - she was even less of a team player than Harry was. At least he did what he was asked without behaving like a sulky child or looking like a bulldog chewing a wasp!”
“If you watched all the previous episodes - the otheres have repeatedly ignored everything Harry has offered up - even when he was right! Every single one of them has knocked back everything he proposed - simplpy because it was him who suggested it.
Granted he was wrong about going for the name first - but he was probably well aware that if he didn't put his foot down when he was PM - he would be pulled up for not managing properly.
He took a risk with what he did - but as PM he was in the Boardroom final 3 anyway - and at least he was there for his own decisions and not anyone else's. He took the right two back with him too - Gbemi was 80% responsible for the awful packaging, and James' negativity and attack on Harry on the second morning made him the 3rd person. Lizzie allowed Gbemi to over ride her input on the packaging (and both of them ignored Harry's sensible suggestion of red and pink packaging for that dismal black grey and gold) - but redeemed herself by giving a good pitch.
Given her past record on tasks and her insistence that the abomiation of a design was good - she was the obvious one to go - she was even less of a team player than Harry was. At least he did what he was asked without behaving like a sulky child or looking like a bulldog chewing a wasp!”
I agree with you from the point of view of Harry M it was a fighting battle from the word go..There was zero positive input from his teammates..
Harry M really is a younger version of David Cameron - loud posh voice who manages to talk his way out of everything!!!
Originally Posted by The Rhydler:
“Well, whether he likes it or not, he is the underdog as everyone else is gunning for him.”
“Well, whether he likes it or not, he is the underdog as everyone else is gunning for him.”
No - everyone else is gunning for him because he is the überdog.
Originally Posted by The Rhydler:
“No, I didn't watch it, I just know exactly what happened as if by magic.
You and I differ on the term 'appalling attitude'
Harry M had to sit and watch last week as his product recommendation was blocked by a PM who only wanted to do her own thing (no different to the accusations levelled at Harry whatsoever) - it turned out that that product was wrong and didnt sell well.”
“No, I didn't watch it, I just know exactly what happened as if by magic.
You and I differ on the term 'appalling attitude'
Harry M had to sit and watch last week as his product recommendation was blocked by a PM who only wanted to do her own thing (no different to the accusations levelled at Harry whatsoever) - it turned out that that product was wrong and didnt sell well.”
Exactly right. She made precisely the same mistake Harry M made this week. As no one chose the cushion we'll never know whether it would have been the mass seller he thought it would be. It seemed far too small for the average over 50s bottom though.
It would probably have outsold the ludicrous birdbox contraption though, and Harry M managed to persuade another trader to take some of them at retail price.
Originally Posted by The Rhydler:
“Forward one week later and Harry now gets the opportunity, perhaps his only opportunity to be a PM and have his own ideas be the idea that goes forward, seeing as a good few of his correct ideas have not been listened to. Harry knows he isn't popular, knows that the others don't like him, he knows that his suggestion will be disagreed with, he almost smirked to himself at the inevitability of the uprising he'd receive from a team that resent having to work under him. That's why Harry pushed through his idea, that's exactly why, and he was right to, he's the project manager, he makes the decisions! We've seen it a millions times over the past few years and the PM's that get influenced by their subordinates to go against their own beliefs are often fired.”
“Forward one week later and Harry now gets the opportunity, perhaps his only opportunity to be a PM and have his own ideas be the idea that goes forward, seeing as a good few of his correct ideas have not been listened to. Harry knows he isn't popular, knows that the others don't like him, he knows that his suggestion will be disagreed with, he almost smirked to himself at the inevitability of the uprising he'd receive from a team that resent having to work under him. That's why Harry pushed through his idea, that's exactly why, and he was right to, he's the project manager, he makes the decisions! We've seen it a millions times over the past few years and the PM's that get influenced by their subordinates to go against their own beliefs are often fired.”
My impression was he had decided certain things in advance, having been told up front he would lead the team, and was not prepared to allow them to be up for discussion.
As for being influenced by the team, that's exactly what happened to Zara (twice) and her team won. So flexibility and an open mind are not weakness. Being a PM is not a matter of exerting iron control over everybody. That only kills creativity. You have to recognise everybody's strengths and weaknesses and use them to best effect. Zara did that, Harry M didn't.
Originally Posted by The Rhydler:
“Now to Gbemi, she clearly thinks a lot of herself, clearly thinks her own abilities got her to week 5...she's completely wrong. In almost every moment of the series, she was a passenger, sitting back, letting others do the talking, claim half the credit if a member of her sub-team makes a sale, and then coming down on others when they get things wrong and bemoaning that they didnt listen to her when she didnt object in the first place. Her sole facial expression, one of misery, one of total derision was not good to look at and I for one am glad she is fired and Harry is not.”
“Now to Gbemi, she clearly thinks a lot of herself, clearly thinks her own abilities got her to week 5...she's completely wrong. In almost every moment of the series, she was a passenger, sitting back, letting others do the talking, claim half the credit if a member of her sub-team makes a sale, and then coming down on others when they get things wrong and bemoaning that they didnt listen to her when she didnt object in the first place. Her sole facial expression, one of misery, one of total derision was not good to look at and I for one am glad she is fired and Harry is not.”
She can't help her facial expression, it's not fair to judge her on that. She helped mess up the package design, but I thought the "process" had begun to knock the attitude out of her and she came across as more cooperative this week. I was beginning to warm to her after the first couple of weeks of instant dislike. She was not the most culpable this week, but she was in the bottom two.
Originally Posted by The Rhydler:
“As for deoderants, yeah, I'm sure there are guys out there who take their time and select the right deoderant for their oh so sensitive armpits, but I'd bet cash money 80% of UK males blindly grab a lynx without even thinking about it. Women you must admit would take more care in such a thing.”
“As for deoderants, yeah, I'm sure there are guys out there who take their time and select the right deoderant for their oh so sensitive armpits, but I'd bet cash money 80% of UK males blindly grab a lynx without even thinking about it. Women you must admit would take more care in such a thing.”
I'd love to be able to take that bet up with you, especially for the target age range they had. The days when blokes just bought what was advertised on TV have long gone. Still, you stick to Lynx if it works the magic for you.
You've only got to look at the vast range of male fragrances on sale to know the market is huge. Even if you were right about UK males the task was not to sell most, but to create a brand and an ad campaign.
I cannot stand Harry M.
He just thinks that because he speaks with a posh voice, is a stuck up, toffee nosed ****, who thinks his s**t does not stink, he is better than everyone else.
I cannot see how he has not gone yet, as behind that posh voice is a very average lad who is not all he thinks he is.
He just thinks that because he speaks with a posh voice, is a stuck up, toffee nosed ****, who thinks his s**t does not stink, he is better than everyone else.
I cannot see how he has not gone yet, as behind that posh voice is a very average lad who is not all he thinks he is.
I don't like Gbemi, but I thought Harry should have gone this week. He was a terrible PM and just so smug all the time, not likable at all.
Originally Posted by Dino M:
“I cannot stand Harry M.
He just thinks that because he speaks with a posh voice, is a stuck up, toffee nosed ****, who thinks his s**t does not stink, he is better than everyone else.
I cannot see how he has not gone yet, as behind that posh voice is a very average lad who is not all he thinks he is.”
“I cannot stand Harry M.
He just thinks that because he speaks with a posh voice, is a stuck up, toffee nosed ****, who thinks his s**t does not stink, he is better than everyone else.
I cannot see how he has not gone yet, as behind that posh voice is a very average lad who is not all he thinks he is.”
Oh, you know him personally? Obviously one couldn't come up with that level of assessment simply from seeing edited sections from a TV programme.
i think both Gbemi and Harry M should have gone this week
at first it seems what ever Harry M does no one is gonna follow or/ and give him any credit and Gembi showed this from the off , she wanted him to fail big style that was her down fall -
Harry M though did play the my way or no way route so im suprised SA kept him this week
at first it seems what ever Harry M does no one is gonna follow or/ and give him any credit and Gembi showed this from the off , she wanted him to fail big style that was her down fall -
Harry M though did play the my way or no way route so im suprised SA kept him this week
If I was a PM, I would want Harry M on my team. He seems to be the only one who can do math in his head and one of the very, very few who can do math at all. The fact that he is blond and speaks with a posh accent seems to have set everyone's back up. That posh accent gets on my nerves alot less than that horrible north london mishmash.
I have no problem with Harry M, if it was a Zara and Harry M final 2 I would be completely fine with that.
The impression I get of HarryM is that he deliberately undersells his ideas on the tasks, because he doesn't want them put to the test.
Remember the pillows? In the BR he could eloquently explain the benefits of choosing that product - but unless they missed the edit, on the task itself it was just 'I think its the right product' with no substance behind it.
So all the credit with Suggs for coming up with ideas, with none of that irritating having-to-actually-put-your-idea-up-against-the-other-team.
Remember the pillows? In the BR he could eloquently explain the benefits of choosing that product - but unless they missed the edit, on the task itself it was just 'I think its the right product' with no substance behind it.
So all the credit with Suggs for coming up with ideas, with none of that irritating having-to-actually-put-your-idea-up-against-the-other-team.
Originally Posted by Peter E:
“Harry M really is a younger version of David Cameron - loud posh voice who manages to talk his way out of everything!!!”
“Harry M really is a younger version of David Cameron - loud posh voice who manages to talk his way out of everything!!!
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Oh no Harry is beyond hope!Like DC he is a self opinionated, little ass who worms his way out of everything, with a king sized smirk on his face. He should have gone by now. I think if James had not gone back on his original comment that he wasnt a bad team leader things may have turned out differently. He even tried to make excuses when he got back to the house. I have rarely found such a young person so unpleasant.
I disagree ..... the right person went .... she had a terrible attitude problem & I'm glad to see the back of her.
Originally Posted by RomolaDesLoups:
“Fair enough, the design was crap. But if he'd listened to the team at the 'brainstorming' session, the design team would have had a clear concept in mind and packaged the product accordingly. They lost because of the incoherence of the campaign, and that was entirely because they hadn't a clear idea of what they were selling.”
“Fair enough, the design was crap. But if he'd listened to the team at the 'brainstorming' session, the design team would have had a clear concept in mind and packaged the product accordingly. They lost because of the incoherence of the campaign, and that was entirely because they hadn't a clear idea of what they were selling.”
I dont like Ghembi but I think that Harry should of gone last week and cannot believe that Lizzie did not have the savvy to take Harry in with her this week. She must be mad knowing that he has been in the losing team every single week!
Harry M might have displayed slightly kn*bbish behaviour..but I think the others are using him as a scapegoat. They keep jumping on the bandwagon to diss him at every given opportunity. 
Originally Posted by Queen__Bea:
“Agree OP. HarryM is a repugnant little character. As arrogant as he is useless. Gbemi has been horrible in previous weeks, but this week she merely made a design mistake - a matter of taste. She didn't deserve to go over that spoiled little brat.”
“Agree OP. HarryM is a repugnant little character. As arrogant as he is useless. Gbemi has been horrible in previous weeks, but this week she merely made a design mistake - a matter of taste. She didn't deserve to go over that spoiled little brat.”
I'm wayyyyyy behind pace on this series and only watched this eppy yesterday. I agree HM, based on this task, should have gone. He bulldozed, did not unify the concept and was not organised. Sugar did seem intent on forcing the blame on Gbemi, as I think he feels HM has more potential but how was she "horrible" in recent weeks? Gbemi has seemed to contribute more to each task than say, the wet and drippy Hayley, and though her speech and mannerism's may not be totally in tune with the business world, there's clearly talent there.
Anyway, three things I noticed this week.
Sugar didn't seem to send them out after the initial briefing and then have his usual flirtatious chat with Karen and Nick about who should get fired? Did I miss this?
Gbemi had a cold?
HarryM was biting his bottom lip in the boardroom like it was a comfort blanket. I really shouldn't get so much enjoyment at seeing a young person squirm, but I did
So gutted harry m had to go, he would have won the show no doubt. Harry h was weak and useless as always.
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