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If the Pat thing was a set up - do you think Chrissy was in on it with the tears?
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squillion
21-11-2011
I can understand her feeling for Lorraine, but were the tears a bit much...just wondering if Lorraine and she were in on it with Pat?

Or maybe Pat was just doing it by himself?
glasshalffull
21-11-2011
Originally Posted by squillion:
“I can understand her feeling for Lorraine, but were the tears a bit much...just wondering if Lorraine and she were in on it with Pat?

Or maybe Pat was just doing it by himself?”

I doubt he would trust her to keep her Mersey Tunnel...I mean mouth...shut.

If he had accomplices my money is on Mark/Jessica/Lorraine
yorkie11
21-11-2011
Chrissie's tears were well over the top...that's for sure imo.
pothuthic
21-11-2011
Maybe Crissy and Lorraine talked about their luxury items when they were in the same camp on the first few days and Lorraine explained how much it meant to her?
DiamondDoll
21-11-2011
I don't think those tears were fake and reckon that she is just sensitive and loving.

Lets not forget that being under constant scrutiny, probably very hungry and tired, it becomes all too easy to lose perspective and just live completely in that strange world.
Pussywillow
21-11-2011
Crissy is just getting over another cancer op, she is such a positive person and just gets on with it so to be upset it must have got to her, viewers only see what 30 mins in all of camp life they live it, and proberly all the bickering and bitchy comments must be getting some of them down
priscilla
21-11-2011
Pat is a pervy idiot who is not funny i dont know why jess and mark were laughing then telling him to say sorry i say good on crissy for not being a sheep and following the herd i hope pat fails on the task he is the one showing up for the camera.
Also why didnt pat and jess tell sinitta what they really thought of her instead of being fake
Silent Scream
21-11-2011
I like Crissy but that was ridiculous. I'm guessing she was just feeling emotional after all that time in there and it manifested itself in the form of misguided fake teddybear love.
LaceyLouelle3
22-11-2011
I think Chrissy just got emotional, I don't think her tears were fake at all.
riverside 57
22-11-2011
Originally Posted by Pussywillow:
“Crissy is just getting over another cancer op, she is such a positive person and just gets on with it so to be upset it must have got to her, viewers only see what 30 mins in all of camp life they live it, and proberly all the bickering and bitchy comments must be getting some of them down”

Yes, it's easy to forget that these are people who have real lives and emotions when we only get to watch less than an hour of footage of them per day! Crissy and Lorraine most likely had been chatting while in the "sin bin" as the other women in there are not exactly the feminine mother earth types, and Crissy obviously felt for Lorraine with Pat's wind-up!

I like Crissy, and I honestly think she is the least fake in there of them all!
Reality Sucks
22-11-2011
Originally Posted by glasshalffull:
“I doubt he would trust her to keep her Mersey Tunnel...I mean mouth...shut.

If he had accomplices my money is on Mark/Jessica/Lorraine”

Mark didn't say anything about it being a plan when they asked him about it on IACGMOOHN. If it was a plan and Pat already said "It's worked" why not just spill the beans?

My opinion is - Didn't like Pat Sharpe back in the 80s - always came across as a poser, but had an open mind when he came into the jungle with Sinitta. Have not really warmed to him - found him a bit fake (smashy and nicey) at first, now just an arrogant t*sspot.

I don't believe that either Lorraine or Chrissie were faking the way they felt.
glasshalffull
22-11-2011
Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“Mark didn't say anything about it being a plan when they asked him about it on IACGMOOHN. If it was a plan and Pat already said "It's worked" why not just spill the beans?


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I'm not sure Mark is the world's most credible witness and let's face it...he's on one of the most manufactured TV shows ever...and knows when to keep his mouth shut.
Reality Sucks
22-11-2011
Originally Posted by Silent Scream:
“I like Crissy but that was ridiculous. I'm guessing she was just feeling emotional after all that time in there and it manifested itself in the form of misguided fake teddybear love.”

Why does any emotional attachment have to be seen as fake? Whatever her reasons, it is up to Lorraine if it gives her comfort to have a familiar object around.

Pat Sharpe was acting like a playground bully - there's no other way of describing it. It's like when you're a kid and you have a pet and someone threatens to harm it, just to have power over you. That's what it reminded me of anyway.
Reality Sucks
22-11-2011
Originally Posted by glasshalffull:
“I'm not sure Mark is the world's most credible witness and let's face it...he's on one of the most manufactured TV shows ever...and knows when to keep his mouth shut.”

There was no need for him to keep his mouth shut after Pat had said 'It worked' *nudge, nudge, wink, wink*

Everyone on here is applauding Pat for his genius strategy. Why not admit to Lorraine that he was doing it for the cameras to get the trial?
never say never
22-11-2011
pat was being honest, thats how he really feels about lorraine and the teddy..now he is just saying it was a plan...it cleary wasnt..and him thinking he pulled the wool over our eyes is wrong because we're not dumb enough to fall for the 'im being mean but ssh its all a big fat plan..wink wink' he was being himself and he reliased people wont like him, maybe he wants to be out..that way he gets the money and doesnt walk.

chrissy was the only real one there regarding lorraines feelings, she was genuine and i would love pat having the balls to pick on someone like chrissy, who can actually defend themselves n not put up with his moaning
Silent Scream
22-11-2011
Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“Why does any emotional attachment have to be seen as fake? Whatever her reasons, it is up to Lorraine if it gives her comfort to have a familiar object around.

Pat Sharpe was acting like a playground bully - there's no other way of describing it. It's like when you're a kid and you have a pet and someone threatens to harm it, just to have power over you. That's what it reminded me of anyway.”

I was talking about Crissy having a nervous breakdown on behalf of the bullied teddybear who I dare say was oblivious to the whole thing am I allowed to say that without offending anyone?
never say never
22-11-2011
Originally Posted by Silent Scream:
“I was talking about Crissy having a nervous breakdown on behalf of the bullied teddybear who I dare say was oblivious to the whole thing am I allowed to say that without offending anyone?”

she wasnt having a 'nervous breakdown' she was angry over the fact pat was hurting lorraines feelings. it wasnt about the teddy really, pat was just trying to be a dick, he couldve said that about any other persons personal possesion but didnt because he knew people would be like oh its just a fake teddy...blah blah. teddy or no teddy pat was mean and hurtful
Microkorg
22-11-2011
Christ, people are so gullible
glasshalffull
22-11-2011
Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“There was no need for him to keep his mouth shut after Pat had said 'It worked' *nudge, nudge, wink, wink*

Everyone on here is applauding Pat for his genius strategy. Why not admit to Lorraine that he was doing it for the cameras to get the trial?”

And if he did and it got recorded do you think we would get to see it...that the producers would let you see you were played...and they allowed it to happen..Lorraine was one of the first to congratulate Pat I think...I'm half thinking she was in on it with him.

And of course Mark would keep his mouth shut...he would not admit halfway through the show to being in on what was a "manipulation".

Put it this way...suppose at some point a large number of the camp mates admit it was a put up job by Pat and they were in on it...would you be saying "fix" and complaining to OFCOM because you had spent your money on someone being "fake" on purpose?
Reality Sucks
22-11-2011
Originally Posted by Silent Scream:
“I was talking about Crissy having a nervous breakdown on behalf of the bullied teddybear who I dare say was oblivious to the whole thing am I allowed to say that without offending anyone?”

You can say what you like, just as we all can.

I tried to explain how it made me feel watching it, and judging from Chrissie's reaction, she felt the same. The teddybear is not the point, the point is that Lorraine cherishes it, and Pat wanted to destroy something that Lorraine cherished, at the same time trying to make her feel that there was something wrong with her for cherishing it. That's what made Crissie mad, and me too.
Silent Scream
22-11-2011
Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“You can say what you like, just as we all can.

I tried to explain how it made me feel watching it, and judging from Chrissie's reaction, she felt the same. The teddybear is not the point, the point is that Lorraine cherishes it, and Pat wanted to destroy something that Lorraine cherished, at the same time trying to make her feel that there was something wrong with her for cherishing it. That's what made Crissie mad, and me too.”

Oh come on you really think Pat was going to touch her bloody teddy bear? ffs. That's what's wrong with the whole 'bully' culture we inherited from America. Nobody can have a laugh or a bit of banter anymore without a 'victim' emerging immediately for everyone to cry over and feel indignant.

If Lorraine was that upset she could have talked to Pat but she told him to sod off so she could play the martyr card. Pathetic, all of it.
Reality Sucks
22-11-2011
Originally Posted by glasshalffull:
“And if he did and it got recorded do you think we would get to see it...that the producers would let you see you were played...and they allowed it to happen..Lorraine was one of the first to congratulate Pat I think...I'm half thinking she was in on it with him.

And of course Mark would keep his mouth shut...he would not admit halfway through the show to being in on what was a "manipulation".

Put it this way...suppose at some point a large number of the camp mates admit it was a put up job by Pat and they were in on it...would you be saying "fix" and complaining to OFCOM because you had spent your money on someone being "fake" on purpose?”

Or you could look at it that the people being conned are the ones who believe that Pat was just doing it for the rest of the camp so they would get to eat -

...or you could believe that Pat was doing it for the rest of the camp and also grabbing a load of airtime for himself.

....or you could believe that he's going insane afetr days of not eating properly, listening to Sinitta shrieking and Lorraine talking to her teddie.

.....Or you could believe that Pat's a nasty bit of work anyway and picking on a 60 year old woman who's as stressed as he is is a bit below the belt.
AMS13
22-11-2011
Originally Posted by Pussywillow:
“Crissy is just getting over another cancer op, she is such a positive person and just gets on with it so to be upset it must have got to her, viewers only see what 30 mins in all of camp life they live it, and proberly all the bickering and bitchy comments must be getting some of them down”

I read that in The Sun today. She seems such a positive and lovely person. Also, what ever the back story with the bear and Lorraine, if you watched the programme Pat told her that her niceness was getting on his nerves. She was having a tough time in the Sin Bin and also she took the challenge personally. Not the best of days for her and I wonder what we would be like in the same position. It is a shame that a lot of people who comment on DS have no respect or empathy for anybody other than themselves. Such a sad state of affairs.
Reality Sucks
22-11-2011
Originally Posted by Silent Scream:
“Oh come on you really think Pat was going to touch her bloody teddy bear? ffs. That's what's wrong with the whole 'bully' culture we inherited from America. Nobody can have a laugh or a bit of banter anymore without a 'victim' emerging immediately for everyone to cry over and feel indignant.

If Lorraine was that upset she could have talked to Pat but she told him to sod off so she could play the martyr card. Pathetic, all of it.”

What's funny about it? If it was a photograph of one of her children that he wanted to throw on the fire, would that be funny too?

What he was doing was having a good old laugh at her expense - 'the batty old fruitloop who talks to her teddie'. Having already told her she was 'too nice' to the point of driving him insane.I don't blame her for telling him to sod of and for telling him that she isn't "too" anything, Who the hell does he think he is telling people how they should 'be'
Reality Sucks
22-11-2011
Originally Posted by Microkorg:
“Christ, people are so gullible”

apart from you, no doubt
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