I liked the TXF style opening to SCD.
Not only beating it in the ratings but taking the piss too...
Not only beating it in the ratings but taking the piss too...
The Ratings Thread (Part 28)
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Originally Posted by dave01:
“Disappointing rating and share for Eastenders in its big week, BBC3 not much good either. Looks like the Wednesday episode and then the Emmerdale clash on Thursday sapped all the momentum out of EE after recording an 8.85m overnight on Tuesday. Beaten by Coronation St by 400k as well last night. Sometimes Eastenders gets an influx of viewers in the aftermath of big event episodes so I'm still hopeful of a 9m on Monday. Failing that though we may have to wait until Christmas week before we see it above 9m again.
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“Disappointing rating and share for Eastenders in its big week, BBC3 not much good either. Looks like the Wednesday episode and then the Emmerdale clash on Thursday sapped all the momentum out of EE after recording an 8.85m overnight on Tuesday. Beaten by Coronation St by 400k as well last night. Sometimes Eastenders gets an influx of viewers in the aftermath of big event episodes so I'm still hopeful of a 9m on Monday. Failing that though we may have to wait until Christmas week before we see it above 9m again.
”
Eastenders fared relatively poorly last night because it was a Friday when some of its younger audience go out. Nothing to do with the Thursday night clash with Emmerdale.
Originally Posted by square_eyes:
“Yes, I get that people complain about ITV's lack of effort on Christmas Day.
But seriously, how long are we to have the trio of Doctor Who, Strictly & Eastenders on Christmas Day on BBC One ? How many years on the trot now ? It's boring.”
“Yes, I get that people complain about ITV's lack of effort on Christmas Day.
But seriously, how long are we to have the trio of Doctor Who, Strictly & Eastenders on Christmas Day on BBC One ? How many years on the trot now ? It's boring.”
Whilst I agree with the general point (to an extent) I think that’s a bit harsh on Doctor Who in particular. When you actually look at the Christmas Specials they’ve been remarkably varied so far and I think the format offers enough inherent variety for it to be a mainstay of the Christmas Day schedule. Plus it’s really the only popular family drama that airs on British television at this point and that alone should lock it in for a Christmas Day outing.
I’d also point out that whilst the Christmas Day schedule has become very rigid as of late the general Christmas output on BBC1 taken as a whole is pretty fantastically varied and there’s a pretty strong case to be made for ‘routine’ on Christmas Day.
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“fair enough, it does not help that BBC 3 whilst producing new comedy is not making anything that can transfer to BBC 1, I cant for example see the whole family sitting down to a Mongrels Christmas special on BBC 1.”
“fair enough, it does not help that BBC 3 whilst producing new comedy is not making anything that can transfer to BBC 1, I cant for example see the whole family sitting down to a Mongrels Christmas special on BBC 1.”
I think there are two ways to look at BBC3. As a direct feeder for BBC1 where (as with Gavin and Stacey for example) the shows themselves transition to BBC1 or as a more indirect feeder for BBC1 where the talent ‘learns their craft’ on BBC3 and then develops new shows for BBC1. So whilst it’s fair to say Mongrels isn’t going to be airing on BBC1 anytime soon a few years down the line the creative team behind it may very well be working on new shows for BBC1.
Although having said that it is worth remembering that both Little Britain and Come Fly With Me both got big mass audiences so anything can happen...
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“EastEnders' Branning Week has been a disappointment ratings wise.”
“EastEnders' Branning Week has been a disappointment ratings wise.”
Indeed. Its a shame really because they've been the best episodes the show has produced a in a long time. I do wonder what the iPlayer stats will be for 'Branning Week' and whether the word of mouth might drive more viewers to the Sunday omnibus.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Eastenders fared relatively poorly last night because it was a Friday when some of its younger audience go out. Nothing to do with the Thursday night clash with Emmerdale.”
“Eastenders fared relatively poorly last night because it was a Friday when some of its younger audience go out. Nothing to do with the Thursday night clash with Emmerdale.”
It does normally do worst on Friday yes, but the shares it has been pulling recently, including last night have been poor and well down on previous years. Given the nature of the week, I was expecting last night to have been around 8.5m-9m with at least a 37% share
If we look at the average overnight shares from the last couple of years it has fallen a fair bit on Fridays:
.........2011........2010...........2009
Mon...35.4........ 36.9 ......... 37.6
Tue... 37.7........ 38.5......... 34.1[weekly Emmerdale clash]
Thu... 37.5........ 37.3......... 38.0
Fri..... 34.4........ 36.6......... 37.6
all..... 36.3........ 37.3......... 36.8
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“I liked the TXF style opening to SCD.
Not only beating it in the ratings but taking the piss too...”
“I liked the TXF style opening to SCD.
Not only beating it in the ratings but taking the piss too...
”
This means absolutely nothing but I see Strictly is trending worldwide tonight. Usually this series it's featured in one or two trending topics, but during the Wembley show I've seen more of them. And now tonight.
The buzz seems to be picking up for the show. Means nothing ratings wise but interesting to see it happen over the series.
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“ So whilst it’s fair to say Mongrels isn’t going to be airing on BBC1 anytime soon a few years down the line the creative team behind it may very well be working on new shows for BBC1.”
“ So whilst it’s fair to say Mongrels isn’t going to be airing on BBC1 anytime soon a few years down the line the creative team behind it may very well be working on new shows for BBC1.”
fair enough
How times have changed, SCD attracts 9-10 million viewers and is hailed as a huge success for Bruce Forsyth, but 33 years ago Bruce's Big Night on ITV attracted a similar audience figure and was classed as a big flop. There is some kind of irony here and I bet Bruce must be laughing now when he thinks of how people thought he was on his last legs for attracting the same audience figure in 1978 than he does in 2011, when SCD is classed as a massive hit.
However, in 1978 less than 1 pc of homes had a video, the internet and satellite television were over 10 years away and everyone had the same number of channels.
However, in 1978 less than 1 pc of homes had a video, the internet and satellite television were over 10 years away and everyone had the same number of channels.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“How times have changed, SCD attracts 9-10 million viewers and is hailed as a huge success for Bruce Forsyth, but 33 years ago Bruce's Big Night on ITV attracted a similar audience figure and was classed as a big flop. There is some kind of irony here and I bet Bruce must be laughing now when he thinks of how people thought he was on his last legs for attracting the same audience figure in 1978 than he does in 2011, when SCD is classed as a massive hit.
However, in 1978 less than 1 pc of homes had a video, the internet and satellite television were over 10 years away and everyone had the same number of channels.”
“How times have changed, SCD attracts 9-10 million viewers and is hailed as a huge success for Bruce Forsyth, but 33 years ago Bruce's Big Night on ITV attracted a similar audience figure and was classed as a big flop. There is some kind of irony here and I bet Bruce must be laughing now when he thinks of how people thought he was on his last legs for attracting the same audience figure in 1978 than he does in 2011, when SCD is classed as a massive hit.
However, in 1978 less than 1 pc of homes had a video, the internet and satellite television were over 10 years away and everyone had the same number of channels.”
And 34 years ago last week when Strictly topped Saturday night, Bruce was topping the Saturday night ratings in 1977 with The Generation Game. It's incredible to think that shows considered successful with ratings now would have been axed even back in the early nineties.
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“I liked the TXF style opening to SCD.
Not only beating it in the ratings but taking the piss too...”
“I liked the TXF style opening to SCD.
Not only beating it in the ratings but taking the piss too...
”
The whole Country is taking the piss out of it
Loads of Trends on Twitter for Strictly tonight
BBC1 has just ran the trailer for That's Britain!
Nick Knowles: "That's Britain continues to fight back against the things that drive Britain mad"....
....so the rest of the series has been cancelled.
Nick Knowles: "That's Britain continues to fight back against the things that drive Britain mad"....
....so the rest of the series has been cancelled.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“BBC1 has just ran the trailer for That's Britain!
Nick Knowles: "That's Britain continues to fight back against the things that drive Britain mad"....
....so the rest of the series has been cancelled.”
“BBC1 has just ran the trailer for That's Britain!
Nick Knowles: "That's Britain continues to fight back against the things that drive Britain mad"....
....so the rest of the series has been cancelled.
”
By fight back they presumably mean get Barry from EastEnders to do a report!
Everyone will wonder if they do a report on 'Dog Poo' considering last week's 'rant wall' or whatever it was called.
Originally Posted by Too Close:
“Strictly must be the most boring programme on TV how its beating the X Factor I don't know!”
“Strictly must be the most boring programme on TV how its beating the X Factor I don't know!”
..because over the half the audience are old people, no doubt asleep in front of the telly.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“How times have changed, SCD attracts 9-10 million viewers and is hailed as a huge success for Bruce Forsyth, but 33 years ago Bruce's Big Night on ITV attracted a similar audience figure and was classed as a big flop. There is some kind of irony here and I bet Bruce must be laughing now when he thinks of how people thought he was on his last legs for attracting the same audience figure in 1978 than he does in 2011, when SCD is classed as a massive hit.
However, in 1978 less than 1 pc of homes had a video, the internet and satellite television were over 10 years away and everyone had the same number of channels.”
“How times have changed, SCD attracts 9-10 million viewers and is hailed as a huge success for Bruce Forsyth, but 33 years ago Bruce's Big Night on ITV attracted a similar audience figure and was classed as a big flop. There is some kind of irony here and I bet Bruce must be laughing now when he thinks of how people thought he was on his last legs for attracting the same audience figure in 1978 than he does in 2011, when SCD is classed as a massive hit.
However, in 1978 less than 1 pc of homes had a video, the internet and satellite television were over 10 years away and everyone had the same number of channels.”
With Big Night it was mostly a backlash against the fact that Sir Bruce had left the Generation Game(and the BBC) and I think elements of the press had pretty much decided Big Night would fail irrespective of its ratings. It did achieve 14 million viewers but was always in the shadow of Larry Grayson and the rehashed Generation game which hit huge heights.
The most astonishing thing though is that Sir Bruce is still presenting the top shows not just 34 years, but 50 plus years since he started out.
A poor end to EastEnders Branning Week, maybe this proves that advertising soaps is a waste of time unless the episodes are visually impressive (like a fire, tram crash etc), if it's dialogue based there isn't really anything for new viewers to tune in for, as they won't know what is going on.
Originally Posted by Too Close:
“Strictly must be the most boring programme on TV how its beating the X Factor I don't know!”
“Strictly must be the most boring programme on TV how its beating the X Factor I don't know!”
Originally Posted by derek500:
“..because over the half the audience are old people, no doubt asleep in front of the telly.”
“..because over the half the audience are old people, no doubt asleep in front of the telly.”
The X Factor bores me to tears.
And here's the running order.
A song/scripted judge comment/another song/another scripted judge's comment. So fake cold and shallow. Usually watched by people that say "whoop whoop" a lot and drop letters when they're speaking. Really does appeal to the detritus demographic.
This is of course a sweeping generalisation....but it amuses me!
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“The X Factor bores me to tears.
And here's the running order.
A song/scripted judge comment/another song/another scripted judge's comment. So fake cold and shallow. Usually watched by people that say "whoop whoop" a lot and drop letters when they're speaking. Really does appeal to the detritus demographic.
This is of course a sweeping generalisation....but it amuses me!”
“The X Factor bores me to tears.
And here's the running order.
A song/scripted judge comment/another song/another scripted judge's comment. So fake cold and shallow. Usually watched by people that say "whoop whoop" a lot and drop letters when they're speaking. Really does appeal to the detritus demographic.
This is of course a sweeping generalisation....but it amuses me!
”
For a medium like this its impossible to avoid the odd sweeping generalisation -it amuses me too lol.
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“With Big Night it was mostly a backlash against the fact that Sir Bruce had left the Generation Game(and the BBC) and I think elements of the press had pretty much decided Big Night would fail irrespective of its ratings. It did achieve 14 million viewers but was always in the shadow of Larry Grayson and the rehashed Generation game which hit huge heights.
The most astonishing thing though is that Sir Bruce is still presenting the top shows not just 34 years, but 50 plus years since he started out.”
“With Big Night it was mostly a backlash against the fact that Sir Bruce had left the Generation Game(and the BBC) and I think elements of the press had pretty much decided Big Night would fail irrespective of its ratings. It did achieve 14 million viewers but was always in the shadow of Larry Grayson and the rehashed Generation game which hit huge heights.
The most astonishing thing though is that Sir Bruce is still presenting the top shows not just 34 years, but 50 plus years since he started out.”
Bruce has been a hit for so many years. True longevity. I remember the Big Night debacle. Just too much a whole night of him in primetime! Bruce always points out that the show started with 14m lost it during the run but got them back towards the end. He points out the show wasn't as big a flop as was made out by the press.
But Big Night's problem was it faced The Generation Game. ITV thought getting Bruce would mean he brought Generation Game viewers with him. Instead they stayed with the show and watched the Larry Grayson version in its millions. Larry's version actually got a higher rating than Bruce's as it went out during the infamous ITV strike of 1979.
What it showed was that sometimes buying big stars doesn't mean big ratings, and the format is the key. Over 30 years later it happened again with Adrian & Christine leaving The One Show to do Daybreak. Funny how history repeats.
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“For a medium like this its impossible to avoid the odd sweeping generalisation -it amuses me too lol.”
“For a medium like this its impossible to avoid the odd sweeping generalisation -it amuses me too lol.”
I know The X Factor's core audience are sitting there watching the show on big plasmas in their JD Sports clothes that they stole during the riots. They are the ABC demo as it's the only three letters of the alphabet they can say without prompting as they don't go to school.
While the Strictly audience are sitting with blankets over their knees while drinking a mug of Horlicks and taking their teeth out for the evening,
I think I've mocked both shows equally there so Robbie & George can't say I've shown favouritism!
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“What it showed was that sometimes buying big stars doesn't mean big ratings, and the format is the key. Over 30 years later it happened again with Adrian & Christine leaving The One Show to do Daybreak. Funny how history repeats.”
“What it showed was that sometimes buying big stars doesn't mean big ratings, and the format is the key. Over 30 years later it happened again with Adrian & Christine leaving The One Show to do Daybreak. Funny how history repeats.”
you think ITV would have learnt by now.
Also if we are going to criticise BBC shows advertised tonight, may I just ask what the hell ITV is thinking airing a 1 hour "documentary" called "Super Tiny Animals" followed up with shameless celebrity worship shows, at that altar of Westlife and Justin Beiber, I fail to see how Justin Beiber fits on "The Peoples Channel"
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“you think ITV would have learnt by now.
”
“you think ITV would have learnt by now.
”
The last time an ITV poach of a BBC star turned out to be a success was Benny Hill in 1969
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“I know The X Factor's core audience are sitting there watching the show on big plasmas in their JD Sports clothes that they stole during the riots. They are the ABC demo as it's the only three letters of the alphabet they can say without prompting as they don't go to school.
While the Strictly audience are sitting with blankets over their knees while drinking a mug of Horlicks and taking their teeth out for the evening,
”
“I know The X Factor's core audience are sitting there watching the show on big plasmas in their JD Sports clothes that they stole during the riots. They are the ABC demo as it's the only three letters of the alphabet they can say without prompting as they don't go to school.
While the Strictly audience are sitting with blankets over their knees while drinking a mug of Horlicks and taking their teeth out for the evening,
”
I think quite a lot of people watch both shows.
Er... isn't that the reason everyone complained when the two programmes clashed?
With one month of the year to go, here's a quick look at the consolidated series averages for the BBC1 and ITV1 dramas which have aired so far this year. All these figures include HD. In brackets, next to the programme name, is the change compared to the average for the programme the previous series:
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BBC One 1 – 9.24m – New Tricks… (+18%) 2 – 7.97m – Silent Witness… (+4%) 3 – 7.52m – Doctor Who… (-3%) 4 – 7.30m – South Riding… (NEW) 5 – 7.15m – Lark Rise to Candleford… (+3%) 6 – 7.14m – Inspector George Gently… (+23%) 7 – 7.02m – Waking The Dead… (-2%) 8 – 6.89m – Merlin*… (+2%) 9 – 6.79m – Hustle… (+5%) 10 – 6.43m – Luther… (+28%) 11 – 6.10m – Death in Paradise*… (NEW) 12 – 5.85m – Silk… (NEW) 13 – 5.70m – Zen… (NEW) 14 – 5.58m – The Body Farm… (NEW) 15 – 5.51m – Garrow’s Law*… (-3%) 16 – 5.40m – Spooks… (-15%) 17 – 5.31m – Exile… (NEW) 18 – 5.30m – Case Histories… (NEW) 19 – 5.17m – Torchwood… (-22%) 20 – 5.15m – Candy Cabs… (NEW) 21 – 5.11m – Atlantis… (NEW) 22 – 5.06m – Hidden… (NEW) 23 – 4.19m – Stolen… (NEW) 24 – 3.79m – Rock & Chips… (-48%) 25 – 3.29m – Outcasts… (NEW) 26 – 2.23m – The Field of Blood… (NEW) 27 – 1.96m – Sugartown… (NEW) ITV1 (including +1 in brackets) 1 – 11.19m (11.69m) – Downton Abbey… (+15/+21%) 2 – 10.23m (10.60m) – Doc Martin… (+12/+16%) 3 – 7.92m (8.09m) – Wild at Heart… (+3/+5%) 4 – 7.36m (7.74m) – Scott & Bailey… (NEW) 5 – 7.15m (7.41m) – The Suspicions of Mr Whicher… (NEW) 6 – 6.98m (7.35m) – Marchlands… (NEW) 7 – 6.67m (6.95m) – Lewis… (-11/-15%) 8 – 6.63m (6.63m) – Above Suspicion… (-15%) 9 – 6.35m (6.60m) – Vera… (NEW) 10 – 6.32m (6.61m) – Midsomer Murders… (+6/+11%) 11 – 6.20m (6.57m) – The Jury… (+3/+9%) 12 – 5.78m (5.98m) – Kidnap & Ransom… (NEW) 13 – 5.66m (5.95m) – Injustice… (NEW) 14 – 5.65m (6.02m) – Case Sensitive… (NEW) 15 – 5.58m (5.99m) – Appropriate Adult… (NEW) 16 – 5.45m (5.66m) – Monroe… (NEW) 17 – 5.20m (5.51m) – The Reckoning… (NEW) 18 – 5.08m (5.37m) – DCI Banks… (-21/-25%) 19 – 5.06m (5.35m) – Law & Order: UK… (-2/-7%) 20 – 4.66m (4.85m) – The Royal… (-3/+1%) 21 – 4.58m (4.67m) – Primeval… (-6/8%) 22 – 4.54m (4.72m) – Agatha Christie’s Marple… (-13%/-16%) 23 – 3.45m (3.79m) – Taggart… (-21/28%) 24 – 3.43m (3.63m) – Single-Handed… (-4/-9%) All individual episode ratings: http://i42.tinypic.com/166jbpw.jpg * = series currently airing so there will be changes to the average once all episodes are broadcast. - Downton Abbey average in italics as final episode official yet to be announced, so final episode given estimated rating for now.
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“I fail to see how Justin Beiber fits on "The Peoples Channel"”
“I fail to see how Justin Beiber fits on "The Peoples Channel"”
There will be a lot of adverts for acne cream and Barbie dolls that night.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“The last time an ITV poach of a BBC star turned out to be a success was Benny Hill in 1969”
“The last time an ITV poach of a BBC star turned out to be a success was Benny Hill in 1969
”
That was weird because Eric & Ernie went to the BBC in the same year and both went onto even greater success. What about Nick Berry going to ITV to do Heartbeat after leaving EastEnders? Is that a channel hop technically speaking?
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“I think quite a lot of people watch both shows.
Er... isn't that the reason everyone complained when the two programmes clashed?”
“I think quite a lot of people watch both shows.
Er... isn't that the reason everyone complained when the two programmes clashed?
”
Yes they do but when even X Factor judges say Strictly is for old people and X Factor is for young people, I am quite happy to make sweeping generalisations for pure comedy value.
What neither side gets is that both shows have massive crossover appeal, which is why when they clash one dips more than the other.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“What about Nick Berry going to ITV to do Heartbeat after leaving EastEnders? Is that a channel hop technically speaking?”
“What about Nick Berry going to ITV to do Heartbeat after leaving EastEnders? Is that a channel hop technically speaking?”
its not exactly the same with actors, also if he wasnt poached from EE by ITV to appear in Heartbeat, that changes things.
Basically if you leave the BBC for a big money deal at ITV, chances are your ITV show is going to flop. This is even more true if your career started at the BBC.
however if you are currently unemployed (in actor terms) and have left the BBC already, you can join ITV, without people reacting.
Its almost crazy how people take ownership of BBC folk, yes we pay for it, but really we don't own them.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“There will be a lot of adverts for acne cream and Barbie dolls that night.”
“There will be a lot of adverts for acne cream and Barbie dolls that night.
”
I dont think girls play with Barbie dolls anymore, its more likely to be ads for Beibers make up range
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