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Nobody can accuse of underestimating Boxing Day Robbie
.![]() I do think The Borrowers and Royal Bodyguard are the Beeb's big two "star name" highlights this year, and will be rightly promoted across the piece between now and then. With favourable scheduling, both should rate well. |
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I don't think this one is up for debate.
Based on past data we know ITV1 will lose the first 2 hours of prime and almost certainly the third, so even taking into account the potential for a very high Downton audience that goes against what normally happens when ITV1 puts out a high-profile drama on Xmas Day, it won't be enough to take the evening. If I had to rate ITV's chances of winning Xmas Day, even with the weakish BBC One schedule, I would put it at no higher than 10% probability. More chance of a White Christmas! |
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Might as well have a crack at Xmas Eve while I'm at it...
![]() BBC1 4.50 Winter Wipeout - 4.5m 5.50 Narnia - 5.5m 8.00 Merlin - 7.5m 8.45 EE - 9.0m 9.20 Outnumbered - 7m 10.0 Lapland - 5m ITV1 6.00 YBF - 5.7m 6.30 The Cube - 6.5m 7.30 Text Santa - 4.8m 10.0 Piers - 3.5m I'm mystified by both the late slot for Lapland, and the 15 minute trim. I can only assume it's a grade A stinker, and not only does it get a graveyard slot, but they've had to cut bits out to make it watchable. Shame... |
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Take a look at the BBC's Christmas schedule from 1963 (the last Christmas before BBC2 arrived) and see if you still feel like complaining about this year's line-up.
https://sites.google.com/site/ukchristmastv/bbc1963 I picked that year at random. Links at the bottom of the page to all other years. Hours of fun to be had. Judge which years were best and worst. (Link riginally posted by Claires-dad in the First Look At BBC1 Christmas Schedule 2011 page. |
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Imagine if it outrated Downton....
![]() It really seems to wind you up for some reason?! Not being able to slate an ITV programme on either ratings or quality grounds I assume. |
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Lapland had to have huge segments re-written due to a lack of snow in Lapland. So, what looked like a magical, snowy Christmas adventure on paper, turned into a nightmare for the writers and producers. Sue Johnston will shine throughout it though but it's still more tempting to watch something Christmassey at 10pm on Christmas Eve than Piers Morgan.
![]() Thanks - this explains a lot. Ironic that it's got the same name as the festive winterpark that had to close down a couple of years back because of a lack of snow and general festiveness. Nothing's really gone right for BBC1 this Christmas! |
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If I had a £1 for everytime you mentioned Downton...
It really seems to wind you up for some reason?! Not being able to slate an ITV programme on either ratings or quality grounds I assume. |
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Have the Beeb schedulers made a boob by forgetting to schedule The Football League Show on Boxing Day?
![]() There's a full Football League programme! Are they seriously saying there will be no highlights? |
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Have the Beeb schedulers made a boob by forgetting to schedule The Football League Show on Boxing Day?
![]() There's a full Football League programme! Are they seriously saying there will be no highlights? |
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Andy Parish raised an interesting point on the DW forum that it could be the first Christmas ever where no show clears 10m in the overnights!
I suppose Who itself has the best chance. It managed it last year but the competition is slightly different this time, as well as a weaker lead-in via The Gruffalo's Child which faces Emmerdale unlike the first one in 2009. |
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Take a look at the BBC's Christmas schedule from 1963 (the last Christmas before BBC2 arrived) and see if you still feel like complaining about this year's line-up.
https://sites.google.com/site/ukchristmastv/bbc1963 I picked that year at random. Links at the bottom of the page to all other years. Hours of fun to be had. Judge which years were best and worst. (Link riginally posted by Claires-dad in the First Look At BBC1 Christmas Schedule 2011 page. For those complaining about BBC1's schedule this year, and the (apparently) unprecedented scheduling of EastEnders in the "key 9pm slot", take a look at Christmas 2005 - a mere 6 years ago: Xmas Eve 4.00pm Film : Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (2001) (repeat) 6.25pm Strictly Come Dancing Christmas Special 7.30pm The National Lottery - Millionaire Manor 8.00pm Casualty @ Holby City 1/2 Deny Thy Father 9.00pm BBC News 9.10pm Little Britain 6/6 9.40pm Film : Bridget Jones's Diary (2001) (repeat) 11.10pm One Foot in the Grave (Repeat) 11.40pm Midnight Mass from Gloucester Cathedral 1.05am Film : Take Me Home : the John Denver Story (2000) 2.40-6.00am BBC News 24 Xmas Day 12:30pm Film : The Santa Clause (1994) (rpt) 2:00pm Top of the Pops Christmas Special 3.00pm The Queen 3:10pm Film : Shrek (2001) (repeat) 4:30pm Film : Toy Story 2 (1999) Première 6:00pm My Family 6:50pm News and Weather 7:00pm Doctor Who : The Christmas Invasion 8:00pm The Green Green Grass 8:50pm News and Weather 9:00pm EastEnders 10:00pm The Two Ronnies Christmas Sketchbook (compilation of old clips from the 70s and 80s) 11:05pm Before They Were Famous : the Confessions (compilation) 11:45pm Film : Working Girl (1998) (repeat) 1:35am On Christmas Night 1:40am Film : Father Dear Father (1972) 3:20am-6.00am Joins BBC News 24 Boxing Day 3.45pm Film : SPYkids (2001) Première 5.05pm BBC News, Weather, Regional News, Weather 5.30pm Hard Spell (kids spelling competition!) 6.00pm As Time Goes By 6.45pm Celebrate Oliver! songs from the musical sang by Matthew Kelly, Suranne Jones, Amy Nutall, Aled Jones, Ron Moody ![]() 7.45pm BBC News 8.00pm EastEnders 8.30pm Outtake TV 9.00pm Film : Minority Report (2002) Première 11.20pm Match of the Day 12.50am Film : Mutiny on the Buses (1972) starring Reg Varney
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EastEnders wont get 13 million on Christmas Day, Bryan Kirkwood just does not have it in him. Honestly I could see a small win for Downton.
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Looking back, we were very close to recording a Christmas without a show above 10m in the overnights back in 2005. EastEnders only just about managed it on 10.1m (44%) for an hour long episode, and that was at 9pm like this year against low rating Booze Cruise 2 on ITV1 which had 4.1m (19%). Incidentally that was also the last time Christmas fell on a Sunday. So that adds more weight to the theory that this year we might not get those big headline figures we are so accustomed to seeing when the data comes through on Boxing Day.
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I see Miranda Hart does actually have a special on this year.
Only it's with Bear Grylls on Channel 4. Marvellous - she should have had her head down writing a Christmas special and series 3 not galivanting about in the Swiss Alps....
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Andy Parish raised an interesting point on the DW forum that it could be the first Christmas ever where no show clears 10m in the overnights!
I suppose Who itself has the best chance. It managed it last year but the competition is slightly different this time, as well as a weaker lead-in via The Gruffalo's Child which faces Emmerdale unlike the first one in 2009. |
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While - obviously- big shows will hurt big shows I think both of the 'big' channels have messed up their schedules somewhat. They both could've done better and given themselves more of a chance to pull in the big audiences on the night, for me.
If they stop BBC1 getting a few - then job done... |
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Andy Parish raised an interesting point on the DW forum that it could be the first Christmas ever where no show clears 10m in the overnights!
I suppose Who itself has the best chance. It managed it last year but the competition is slightly different this time, as well as a weaker lead-in via The Gruffalo's Child which faces Emmerdale unlike the first one in 2009. |
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DA may suffer more than people anticipate. If 11-12 million viewers watch EastEnders at 9.00pm, chances are they are going to stick with BBC1 and watch Abfab. Unless they take advantage of ITV+1 (and still largely they dont), the EE audience are not likely to watch an hours of DA.
Both EE and Downton will be sub-10m IMO and it could go either way - Downton will have the buzz going for it, but the running time works against it. If they'd split it into two episodes over Christmas Day and Boxing Day I think Downton would sneak a victory - but whether people will want to commit to two hours on Christmas night I don't know. |
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Both EE and Downton will be sub-10m IMO and it could go either way - Downton will have the buzz going for it, but the running time works against it. If they'd split it into two episodes over Christmas Day and Boxing Day I think Downton would sneak a victory - but whether people will want to commit to two hours on Christmas night I don't know.
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You do realise that Gruffalo was a repeat last year? It premiered in 2009 at 5.30pm to an overnight audience of 8.8m, making it the 5th most watched programme of the day, nearly 1m ahead of ITV1's highest rated programme.
) - in that case I take back what I said and it could indeed challenge Emmerdale head to head, especially with a Ratatouille lead-in.The Gruffalo timeshifted to a mammoth 10.08m in 2009 including BBC HD (as was) in the lowly 5.30pm timeslot!! |
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Take a look at the BBC's Christmas schedule from 1963 (the last Christmas before BBC2 arrived) and see if you still feel like complaining about this year's line-up.
https://sites.google.com/site/ukchristmastv/bbc1963 . ![]() Christmas Day 1998 BBC ONE 6.30 Changing Rooms ITV1 9.30-Christmasses from Hell |
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Ah, so it is a complete and unmitigated disaster then!
![]() Thanks - this explains a lot. Ironic that it's got the same name as the festive winterpark that had to close down a couple of years back because of a lack of snow and general festiveness. Nothing's really gone right for BBC1 this Christmas! They used all the fake snow up for the Christmas episode of Corrie. Perhaps they should have filmed Lapland in Salford
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Hm, perhaps I'm getting carried away by the BSI actually coming up with a cracking good Boxing Day line up.
![]() I do think The Borrowers and Royal Bodyguard are the Beeb's big two "star name" highlights this year, and will be rightly promoted across the piece between now and then. With favourable scheduling, both should rate well. That said, I think The Borrowers still has it's work cut out, even with a half hour head-start on Corrie. An hour clash is still significant and will keep a lid on potential numbers - though I'd back it for a healthy 6m+. With EE as a snowplow pushing Poirot aside, The Royal Bodyguard has the potential for a great launch - if the BBC does indeed go all-out on promoting it. Perhaps 8m, if they get it right. Quote:
They really loved the docusoaps and makeover shows in the 90's
![]() Christmas Day 1998 BBC ONE 6.30 Changing Rooms ITV1 9.30-Christmasses from Hell Nostalgic complaints about modern Christmas TV are just that: hopelessly nostalgic. You only have to step back into the 90's for the questionable delights of Animal Hospital, Changing Rooms or Ground Force! Gardening… on Christmas Day! And that's to say nothing for the naff clip shows: Auntie's Bloomers and Before They Were Famous. I think the Ratings Thread would have blown a gasket today if any of those had been announced! |
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I like the Welsh news bulletins broadcast from various English transmitters too.
For those complaining about BBC1's schedule this year, and the (apparently) unprecedented scheduling of EastEnders in the "key 9pm slot", take a look at Christmas 2005 - a mere 6 years ago: Xmas Eve 4.00pm Film : Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (2001) (repeat) 6.25pm Strictly Come Dancing Christmas Special 7.30pm The National Lottery - Millionaire Manor 8.00pm Casualty @ Holby City 1/2 Deny Thy Father 9.00pm BBC News 9.10pm Little Britain 6/6 9.40pm Film : Bridget Jones's Diary (2001) (repeat) 11.10pm One Foot in the Grave (Repeat) 11.40pm Midnight Mass from Gloucester Cathedral 1.05am Film : Take Me Home : the John Denver Story (2000) 2.40-6.00am BBC News 24 Xmas Day 12:30pm Film : The Santa Clause (1994) (rpt) 2:00pm Top of the Pops Christmas Special 3.00pm The Queen 3:10pm Film : Shrek (2001) (repeat) 4:30pm Film : Toy Story 2 (1999) Première 6:00pm My Family 6:50pm News and Weather 7:00pm Doctor Who : The Christmas Invasion 8:00pm The Green Green Grass 8:50pm News and Weather 9:00pm EastEnders 10:00pm The Two Ronnies Christmas Sketchbook (compilation of old clips from the 70s and 80s) 11:05pm Before They Were Famous : the Confessions (compilation) 11:45pm Film : Working Girl (1998) (repeat) 1:35am On Christmas Night 1:40am Film : Father Dear Father (1972) 3:20am-6.00am Joins BBC News 24 Boxing Day 3.45pm Film : SPYkids (2001) Première 5.05pm BBC News, Weather, Regional News, Weather 5.30pm Hard Spell (kids spelling competition!) 6.00pm As Time Goes By 6.45pm Celebrate Oliver! songs from the musical sang by Matthew Kelly, Suranne Jones, Amy Nutall, Aled Jones, Ron Moody ![]() 7.45pm BBC News 8.00pm EastEnders 8.30pm Outtake TV 9.00pm Film : Minority Report (2002) Première 11.20pm Match of the Day 12.50am Film : Mutiny on the Buses (1972) starring Reg Varney ![]() |
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Take a look at the BBC's Christmas schedule from 1963 (the last Christmas before BBC2 arrived) and see if you still feel like complaining about this year's line-up.
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) - in that case I take back what I said and it could indeed challenge Emmerdale head to head, especially with a Ratatouille lead-in.