The Ratings Thread (Part 28)

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Fudd

07-12-2011

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Hang about Stan, more viewers than MOTD? Not often! Unless he means the Sunday edition.

Can't believe some of the abuse he's getting though considering what's been in the press about him recently. Some real sore losers on Twitter, as well as some good banter. Mixed bag really.”

He'll probably be able to say that Channel 5's Europa League games get more than ITV1's Champions League games in the spring.

Jonwo

07-12-2011

The Europa League Final with Fulham in 2010 had a 5m peak so I think a final with Man Utd would do at least 4-5m.

Pizzatheaction

07-12-2011

And here endeth the bouncing...

Good news for Channel 5 from a ratings point of view. I don't know much about the comparative revenues from the CL and the EL, but surely the two Manchester clubs will be wanting to do as well as possible in the EL, in order to recoup as much money as possible of the millions they've lost by not qualifying for the knockout stages of the CL?

square_eyes

07-12-2011

Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“The Europa League Final with Fulham in 2010 had a 5m peak so I think a final with Man Utd would do at least 4-5m.”

Possibly, but there's a lot more match choice with British interest on your typical Europa League night than on a Champions League night.

square_eyes

07-12-2011

Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“And here endeth the bouncing...

Good news for Channel 5 from a ratings point of view. I don't know much about the comparative revenues from the CL and the EL, but surely the two Manchester clubs will be wanting to do as well as possible in the EL, in order to recoup as much money as possible of the millions they've lost by not qualifying for the knockout stages of the CL?”

Fergie might want a quick exit - to concentrate on the league and qualifying for Champs League again.

rzt

07-12-2011

Downton Abbey episodes next year will be shortened back to 60 minutes from 75 mins: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...y-episodes-itv

The official reason is that it's for "editorial" purposes and that the extra ad break had a "psychological effect" on viewers who complained about too many ads. I just wonder if the shortening to 60 mins means that they might even consider playing the episodes on Monday nights (aside from the 90-minute series opener). I expect ultimately they will keep it on Sunday nights as it's done so well there but ITV do look a bit weak drama-wise next Autumn with no Doc Martin and most of their returning series set to air in Q1&Q2 rather than Autumn. They could give TXF lead-in to another show if they shifted DA to Monday nights.

jsmith99

07-12-2011

Originally Posted by grahamzxy:
“Ahh hello again, just to clarify for you that BBC2 and BBC HD are not related channels as BBC1 and BBC1 HD are (BBC HD will often show a BBC2 show in a different timelsot, though often they are simulcasts). All official BBC2 and BBC HD ratings are registered separately. BARB publish a BBC2 Top 30 and a BBC HD top 10 each week. Life's Too Short has dropped out of the BBC2 Top 30, but still dominates the BBC HD chart.

Overnights are often bundled together BBC2/BBC HD simulcasts but officials are reported separately. Also just to confirm for you - ITV1 & ITV HD officials are also reported separately.”

Ok, thanks.

Brekkie

07-12-2011

Originally Posted by square_eyes:
“Possibly, but there's a lot more match choice with British interest on your typical Europa League night than on a Champions League night.”

Although by the final I think you'll find there is just the one match!

Originally Posted by rzt:
“Downton Abbey episodes next year will be shortened back to 60 minutes from 75 mins: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...y-episodes-itv

The official reason is that it's for "editorial" purposes and that the extra ad break had a "psychological effect" on viewers who complained about too many ads. I just wonder if the shortening to 60 mins means that they might even consider playing the episodes on Monday nights (aside from the 90-minute series opener). I expect ultimately they will keep it on Sunday nights as it's done so well there but ITV do look a bit weak drama-wise next Autumn with no Doc Martin and most of their returning series set to air in Q1&Q2 rather than Autumn. They could give TXF lead-in to another show if they shifted DA to Monday nights.”

I suspect it'll stay on Sundays but a wise move - and surely makes it easier selling it internationally. I wonder if they'll boost it to at least 10 episodes as a result.

Jonwo

07-12-2011

Originally Posted by rzt:
“Downton Abbey episodes next year will be shortened back to 60 minutes from 75 mins: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...y-episodes-itv
.”

I still think the reason was that 75 minute episodes are a harder sell internationally. It doesn't affect the likes of ITV1 or Masterpiece but I imagine for most commercial broadcasters, 75 minutes is quite an awkward length.

Andy23

07-12-2011

Surely a year from now they will have some new dramas up their sleves that we haven't yet heard of, could be the next big things?

Joe40

07-12-2011

Not qualifying will cost the Manchester clubs around £20million each (prize money for winning games, and a percentage of the TV rights sold around the world).
Another big name joined the Europa League in freakish circumstances tonight, Ajax of Amsterdam. Lyon had to have a 7 goal turnaround to pip them on goal difference. Ajax lost 3-0, Lyon won 7-1!
Champions League last 16 draw will be on Friday morning (Arsenal can't play Chelsea as they both won their groups).

There'll be people blaming Adrian Chiles for Daybreak, the football, and the world economy crisis.

excel99

07-12-2011

Christmas come early for Channel 5 with the football today

Anyone know what is on BBC1 when Cowboy Builders returns the first Thursday in January, I doubt Location on C4 will be easy competition. Seems a shame really sending it back to 8pm, when it proved capable 9pm material in the Summer

Originally Posted by Andy23:
“Daybreak is basically just not doing the 3 days between Xmas & New Year where it would usually appear. There is very little point doing a show that finishes at 8:30am when most of the population are having a lie-in.

BBC Breakfast will be the usual weekend News Channel style simulcast with filler back half hours.”

Apart from weekends and Christmas/Boxing/New Years Day, Breakfast doesn't usually have any 'fillers' (which are only 6.30-7am and 7.45-8am on weekends anyway) between Christmas and New Year. If past years are anything to go by then the regional news will air as normal from 6.25am, including on Bank Holidays 27th Dec/2nd Jan. Sport will air as normal after the half hour news summary, then the usual 'lighter' stuff (that would be after 8.30am on a normal weekday) until the .55 regional news. They may also do the business headlines as usual 28th-30th (the news channel do anyway)

rzt

07-12-2011

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jake lyle

07-12-2011

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Thanks to Doc12 for the following:Monday 2nd
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- ITV1 have Cornwall at 8 (I assume that's the Caroline Quentin doc) and Mamma Mia at 9.

Wednesday 4th
- Endeavour is on ITV1 at 8 (with The Unforgettable at 7:30).”

I can see Endeavour and Mamma Mia being swapped around in the finals, I can't see them giving the Corrie lead in to a film repeat when they could be giving it to a new drama with huge potential.

According to the Wall Street Journal, NBC have been in preliminary talks with Ryan Seacrest about taking over the Today Show if Matt Lauer leaves.

Quote:
“ NBCUniversal is pursuing Ryan Seacrest as a possible successor to Matt Lauer on the "Today" show, if Mr. Lauer vacates his co-anchor seat next year, according to people close to the company.

NBC executives—including "Today" show executive producer Jim Bell, NBC News President Steve Capus and its senior vice president for marketing and communications, Lauren Kapp—met with Mr. Seacrest on Tuesday evening to discuss the possibility of him joining the show, according to those people.

To be sure, the talks are preliminary and could fall apart at any time. They also may be in part a negotiating tactic for NBC executives, who need a strong backup plan in case Mr. Lauer leaves the show. Mr. Seacrest is one of NBC's top replacement choices, according to people familiar with the matter.

In today's media landscape, big properties like "Today" are increasingly important to the television divisions of media conglomerates. As audiences fragment, morning shows are one of the few kinds of programming besides sports that draw large, loyal audiences. While NBC has struggled to turn around its prime-time lineup, "Today" brought in $535 million in advertising revenue in 2010, up 5.6% from a year earlier, according to estimates provided by Kantar Media.

Mr. Lauer, who has occupied the "Today" co-anchor chair since 1997, has become a stabilizing force over the last decade, especially through the show's sweeping anchor transformations on the female side, from Katie Couric to Ann Curry, who took over for Meredith Vieira in June.

Ever since Mr. Lauer began signaling to "Today" executives earlier this year that he was thinking about leaving the show, NBC executives started looking for suitable replacements.

Mr. Seacrest's deal with NBCUniversal expires in early 2012. Currently, he hosts and produces a daily news show on NBCUniversal's E! network, as well as E!'s "Red Carpet" specials. NBCUniversal also plays home to his TV-production company, which produces the "Kardashians" reality-show franchise.

A spokeswoman for Mr. Seacrest declined to comment on the "Today" show talks but said that negotiations with Comcast are ongoing. A spokeswoman for NBC declined to comment.”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...sj_share_tweet

Dancc

07-12-2011

Originally Posted by excel99:
“Anyone know what is on BBC1 when Cowboy Builders returns the first Thursday in January, I doubt Location on C4 will be easy competition. Seems a shame really sending it back to 8pm, when it proved capable 9pm material in the Summer”

Earthflight, new BBC wildlife documentary series.

Are you sure Cowboy Builders is a new series? Nothing in the press pack about it coming back which makes me think not.

rzt

07-12-2011

Dunno if it's been mentioned previously but apparently the BBC will have 1st pick for Euro 2012 matches after winning a coin toss. Then, it'll be alternative picks between BBC and ITV:

Quote:
“ITV and BBC executives ware to meet to select their choice of Euro 2012 matches after an intervention by the BBC Trust’s chairman Lord Patten prevented a repeat of previous acrimonious negotiations.

Selecting matches for the 2010 World Cup took five months, putting ITV at a major disadvantage as they sought to sell advertising.

That resulted in a complaint to the BBC Trust and Patten. The Trust, is understood to have insisted there be no repeat this time round.

The process will see the broadcasters take alternate picks, with the BBC going first after winning a coin toss in Kiev last week.

Each side will have 20 minutes to react to their opponent’s pick before making their next choice. The same process will be used for the 2014 World Cup finals.

In a sign of the need to control costs in an expensive Olympic year, meanwhile, the BBC’s Euro 2012 coverage will be presented from Salford.

ITV’s team, led by Adrian Chiles, will be based in Warsaw.”

Jonwo

07-12-2011

Seacrest has at three or four different television and radio jobs, all which are LA based. He would have give them up to move to NY in order to do Today. Can't see him giving up Idol either.

Georged123

08-12-2011

Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“I wonder if Adam Crozier is still bouncing? ”

Erm.... Im not so sure he is now.

Originally Posted by jake lyle:
“Channel 5 trending worldwide Happy Christnas Dancc!”

I heard this on the radio just when I was leaving work and my first thought was Dancc and C5.

Originally Posted by Joe40:
“There'll be people blaming Adrian Chiles for Daybreak, the football, and the world economy crisis.”

Dont forget child poverty, that man has a lot to answer for!

mlt11

08-12-2011

Originally Posted by Joe40:
“Not qualifying will cost the Manchester clubs around £20million each (prize money for winning games, and a percentage of the TV rights sold around the world).”

The difference between going out in the group stage and going out in the last 16 is nothing like that.

See page 6 of link for the 2009 CL prize money / TV distribution - that year it was an extra 2.2m Euros + a bit on the market pool though that's very complicated to calculate (+ of course gate receipts for one extra game).

And of course you then have any EL revenue gained to offset against the above CL revenue lost.

The big thing about the CL is just being in it at all. After that whether you go out in the group or last 16 makes very little difference. But you do get more for each knock-out round so if you win it or get to the final you do get substantially more than going out in the group.

http://www.uefa.com/multimediafiles/...7_download.pdf

jake lyle

08-12-2011

Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“Seacrest has at three or four different television and radio jobs, all which are LA based. He would have give them up to move to NY in order to do Today. Can't see him giving up Idol either.”

He wouldn't have to give up Idol.
And considering he does E News and his radio show everyday at the momement, I can see him just dropping E News [also owned by Comcast]. His radio show doesn't have to be in LA.

James J

08-12-2011

No Corrie on Monday 2nd?

As said, ITV could use the New Year to jiggle about the soaps a bit... After DOI finishes perhaps?

Sunday
7.30 Corrie (1/5)

Monday
7.00 Em (1/6)
7.30 Corrie (2/5)
(8.00 EE)
8.30 Corrie (3/5)

Tuesday
7.00 Em (2/6)
(7.30 EE)

Wednesday
7.00 ED (3/6)

Thursday
7.00 Em (4/6)
(7.30 EE)
8.00 Corrie (4/5)
8.30 Em (5/6)

Friday
7.00 Em (6/6)
7.30 Corrie (5/5)
8.00 EE
(8.30 Free junction on ITV and BBC)

When Corrie goes back to Weds I hope it reclaims the classic formula of Mon x2, Wed, Fri and Sun. Time for ITV to go back to its roots with Sunday nights - not fair for Corrie to lose a good slot because of DOI for a few weeks in January...

Jonwo

08-12-2011

Originally Posted by jake lyle:
“He wouldn't have to give up Idol.
And considering he does E News and his radio show everyday at the momement, I can see him just dropping E News [also owned by Comcast]. His radio show doesn't have to be in LA.”

The Idol live shows are also LA based although they could easily move it to NY but still have the finale in LA. I agree he'll drop E! News if does take up the Today gig.

RobbieSykes123

08-12-2011

Originally Posted by Charnham:
“some updates

BBC 1

Sunday 1st

19:00 - EastEnders
20:10 - Sherlock
21:40 - AbFab (I think that is new)

and Hustle on Friday, along with The One Lenny Henry.”

Pretty shit New Year schedules. Are these confirmed, or just latest drafts?

Really don't like the idea of TRB and MBB at 9pm on Mondays, ITV's Corrie enhanced crime dramas will crush it.

I think we can conclude that The Ones are either shit or haven't found favour with BBC1 bosses if they have been pulled from the festive schedules, cut to half an hour and dumped on Fridays against Corrie.

Originally Posted by Charnham:
“im sure Biggest Loser will flop, however im surprised to see them moving L&O to the slot, is ITV playing at being NBC, by killing off Law & Order for no good reason?”

I think LOUK will beat BBC1's pretty bleak sounding stripped drama in that first week of January.

RobbieSykes123

08-12-2011

Originally Posted by rzt:
“Dunno if it's been mentioned previously but apparently the BBC will have 1st pick for Euro 2012 matches after winning a coin toss. Then, it'll be alternative picks between BBC and ITV:”

How far does this go? Just the first round, or every round of the whole contest?

Does this mean the BBC are now guaranteed to have 2 England group games (picks 1 and 3, with pick 2 securing presumably England's crunch final group game for ITV, the BBC presumably going for the France opening clash?)

If the BBC has first pick every round then they could follow England all the way to the final if we do well. Presumably they will toss up again after round 1, and for subsequent rounds?

All sounds a bit of a lottery to me...

RobbieSykes123

08-12-2011

Sorry for bringing up football btw when there's a wake going on right now at ITV Towers...

Must be a gloomy mood tonight on the streets of, er, London, Buckinghamshire and Singapore....

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