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I mean this in the nicest way - Chelsee
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jackiebops
27-11-2011
Originally Posted by fefster:
“what red blooded female could see Pascha as a brother????”

I certainly couldn't

[quote=lach doch mal;54890038]You clearly aren't trying hard enough not to understand her.

Some very strange opinions in this thread. I liked their AT, it was very intricate and very difficult. Yes not her best dance, because according to her and Pasha she couldn't quite get the character. However as others have said, even for an actress it might not be easy to get every role (or are we now assuming that everyone has to be perfect at what they do).

I get the feeling she can't win. If she said that she wants to screw Pasha and if she had looked all slutty etc., people would have been up in arms. Now that she couldn't do that (regardless of her big breasts), people say she got it wrong as well.[/QUOTE]

Agree with the bib. I think she is trying so hard to avoid being linked to Pasha its making her scared to connect the way she has to for the likes of the AT.
peach45
27-11-2011
Originally Posted by dizzyrascal:
“Sorry Chelsee does not do it for me. Very dull to watch, no passion or personality. She has not improved either. Same standard since day one.
It has been suggested on this forum that she is too young to be able to do the dances with passion but Louisa Lytton was only 17 and she blew me away when she danced so I don't think age comes into it.”

I loved Louisa and she did dance fantastically well but one of the most constant feedbacks to her was about what was happening from the neck up.
Stunty
27-11-2011
Originally Posted by fefster:
“what red blooded female could see Pascha as a brother????”

Well he is certainly dashing, he says the right things, and treats his dance partner with such respect and care.

However he is ultra dedicated to his dancing, and that young man, like the rest of the pros, obviously wants to win the competition. He's competitive and has that jaw on him when the judges are giving their critique that looks like he really means business. I think he is cool with all this speculation, and quite savvy at the same time, if people want to think they are attracted to each other and gathers viewers interest then more power to them.

He is one smart Russian. ...... and a fabulous dancer.
Ferfichkin
27-11-2011
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“You clearly aren't trying hard enough not to understand her.

Some very strange opinions in this thread. I liked their AT, it was very intricate and very difficult. Yes not her best dance, because according to her and Pasha she couldn't quite get the character. However as others have said, even for an actress it might not be easy to get every role (or are we now assuming that everyone has to be perfect at what they do).

I get the feeling she can't win. If she said that she wants to screw Pasha and if she had looked all slutty etc., people would have been up in arms. Now that she couldn't do that (regardless of her big breasts), people say she got it wrong as well.”

Oh FFS.

1st BIB: It is a one minute and thirty second dance on a Saturday evening entertainment show. Not the role of a lifetime or any sort of Oscar bait.

2nd BIB: *sigh* The Argentine Tango does not require the female to be slutty, nor to want to literally shag her partner silly. It requires some sort of connection between the male and female partner. If she'd managed to lean into him a bit more to get the correct frame, and even looked at him once or twice, job done. She didn't.

So yes, it was technical and difficult but she missed the mark as far as the feeling of the dance. And I usually enjoy Chelsee's performances and think Pasha is top notch.
lach doch mal
27-11-2011
Originally Posted by Ferfichkin:
“Oh FFS. :rolleyes:”

How polite:. No need for that.

Originally Posted by Ferfichkin:
“1st BIB: It is a one minute and thirty second dance on a Saturday evening entertainment show. Not the role of a lifetime or any sort of Oscar bait.

2nd BIB: *sigh* The Argentine Tango does not require the female to be slutty, nor to want to literally shag her partner silly. It requires some sort of connection between the male and female partner. If she'd managed to lean into him a bit more to get the correct frame, and even looked at him once or twice, job done. She didn't.

So yes, it was technical and difficult but she missed the mark as far as the feeling of the dance. And I usually enjoy Chelsee's performances and think Pasha is top notch.”

Did I attack you personally or what? Or did I even quote you?

My comment stands. .. and no it's not an Oscar performance, but the main criticism is related to her inability to emote the dance. She couldn't, fair enough. Most people on here seem to agree on that score. However, the production team involved are desperate to spin a story (e.g. Zoe saying that she thought Chelsee had a crush on Pasha).

Forgot to add, I already mentioned that it wasn't her best dance, but how everyone is expecting her to be able to perform every role and dance, is a bit strange.
Ferfichkin
27-11-2011
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“How polite:. No need for that.



Did I attack you personally or what? Or did I even quote you?”

You see, this is a message board. One doesn't need to be address directly or quoted to respond to any individual post or thread in general. That's rather the beauty of it, no?

And my points stand as well.
missfrankiecat
27-11-2011
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“My comment stands. .. and no it's not an Oscar performance, but the main criticism is related to her inability to emote the dance. She couldn't, fair enough. Most people on here seem to agree on that score. However, the production team involved are desperate to spin a story (e.g. Zoe saying that she thought Chelsee had a crush on Pasha).”

To be honest I haven't thought the production team are pushing a romance story - their script is all ladette to lady and Chelsee as childish bimbo annoying the hell out of Pasha as he tries to get her to work. The romance angle seems to be being pushed by some of their fans, despite all evidence to the contrary. I thought the choreography [Eiffel Tower behind neon doorway] was suggesting Paris hooker doing the business with client, which made the lack of emotional connection 'ok' - this was all mechanical sleaze with no real feeling. Maybe I am crediting Pasha with too much cleverness in choreographing for his celeb's deficits!
lach doch mal
27-11-2011
Originally Posted by Ferfichkin:
“You see, this is a message board. One doesn't need to be address directly or quoted to respond to any individual post or thread in general. That's rather the beauty of it, no?

And my points stand as well.”


Well addressing a poster with FFS is hardly the way to present your opinion, is it, no? Particularly if the poster hasn't directed her reply to you. Rather impolite, IMO.

Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“To be honest I haven't thought the production team are pushing a romance story - their script is all ladette to lady and Chelsee as childish bimbo annoying the hell out of Pasha as he tries to get her to work. The romance angle seems to be being pushed by some of their fans, despite all evidence to the contrary. I thought the choreography [Eiffel Tower behind neon doorway] was suggesting Paris hooker doing the business with client, which made the lack of emotional connection 'ok' - this was all mechanical sleaze with no real feeling. Maybe I am crediting Pasha with too much cleverness in choreographing for his celeb's deficits!”

I think you are. I think they are trying to push it a bit now, but there is really not that much they can go on. I might be mistaken anyway.
Pet Monkey
27-11-2011
Hey, we're all mates really
Play nicely!
Sallyforth
28-11-2011
Chelsee may have some acting expreience but even the most talented accomplished thespian may struggle somewhat with roles that don't fit their demeanour. Intensity is clearly not her thing. There was room for technical improvement as well, but again this could have been partly fuelled by the same self-conscience about such an intimate dance that I suspect affected her performance on Saturday.

The AT has been her (relative) low point in the competition so far IMO. But I cannot think of a single contestant (including winners) who didn't have at least one dance that in some way did not suit them.
Geeny
28-11-2011
Why do people think Chelsea is common. As Len would say it gets on my wick. She is northern,like Tess and over half the country, stop saying she talks funny etc. I dont like Southern speach and frankly cant understand words like barth for bath but I dont go on about it
Lorelei Lee
28-11-2011
Chelsee on Saturday was a little girl trying to deliver a dance that requires a more mature woman's experience of life and men to deliver properly. Her rumba will be the same. It's Louisa Lytton all over again - and that's what ended up doing Louisa out of a final place.
penguinperson
28-11-2011
Originally Posted by Lorelei Lee:
“Chelsee on Saturday was a little girl trying to deliver a dance that requires a more mature woman's experience of life and men to deliver properly. Her rumba will be the same. It's Louisa Lytton all over again - and that's what ended up doing Louisa out of a final place.”

I'd imagine Pasha will try to dump the Rumba as their non-danced dance. I think she has never been in real love & that's why she giggles about it
trunkster
28-11-2011
Originally Posted by Geeny:
“Why do people think Chelsea is common. As Len would say it gets on my wick. She is northern,like Tess and over half the country, stop saying she talks funny etc. I dont like Southern speach and frankly cant understand words like barth for bath but I dont go on about it”

I don't think anyone's had a go at her for being common. A bit dim and chavy yes but not common.
BuddyBontheNet
28-11-2011
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“You clearly aren't trying hard enough not to understand her.

Some very strange opinions in this thread. I liked their AT, it was very intricate and very difficult. Yes not her best dance, because according to her and Pasha she couldn't quite get the character. However as others have said, even for an actress it might not be easy to get every role (or are we now assuming that everyone has to be perfect at what they do).

I get the feeling she can't win. If she said that she wants to screw Pasha and if she had looked all slutty etc., people would have been up in arms. Now that she couldn't do that (regardless of her big breasts), people say she got it wrong as well.”

I could have written this post - we are in agreement again.

Originally Posted by Ferfichkin:
“Oh FFS.

1st BIB: It is a one minute and thirty second dance on a Saturday evening entertainment show. Not the role of a lifetime or any sort of Oscar bait.

2nd BIB: *sigh* The Argentine Tango does not require the female to be slutty, nor to want to literally shag her partner silly. It requires some sort of connection between the male and female partner. If she'd managed to lean into him a bit more to get the correct frame, and even looked at him once or twice, job done. She didn't.

So yes, it was technical and difficult but she missed the mark as far as the feeling of the dance. And I usually enjoy Chelsee's performances and think Pasha is top notch.”

Yes, this is a message board, but it still doesn't mean swearing is okay. Look around, it's not the norm on here.
ladydancer1
28-11-2011
I think she's a joy to watch every weekend. I hope she stays in for another few weeks.
delly
28-11-2011
I loved her AT. Best dance for her so far. It is when she starts whining and whinging that gets me. When she is on the VT I get the feeling that none of it is real. It could be nerves, lack of confidence or simply lack of self awareness. I dont know. But, I really dont take to Chelsee.
edy10
28-11-2011
I do think that the way that they edit those vt dont do her any favours, especially last saturday vt.
edy10
28-11-2011
[quote=jackiebops;54890194]I certainly couldn't

Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“You clearly aren't trying hard enough not to understand her.

Some very strange opinions in this thread. I liked their AT, it was very intricate and very difficult. Yes not her best dance, because according to her and Pasha she couldn't quite get the character. However as others have said, even for an actress it might not be easy to get every role (or are we now assuming that everyone has to be perfect at what they do).

I get the feeling she can't win. If she said that she wants to screw Pasha and if she had looked all slutty etc., people would have been up in arms. Now that she couldn't do that (regardless of her big breasts), people say she got it wrong as well.[/QUOTE]

Agree with the bib. I think she is trying so hard to avoid being linked to Pasha its making her scared to connect the way she has to for the likes of the AT.”

I agree. I dont believe the story about being sister-brother for once second.I think that the main reason that she was hoding back in that dance is because she doesnt want people to speculate(especially Tess, zoe).
Zoe already commented twice on ITT that she might have a crush on Pasha, Miranda and company also commented on the same thing.
But I am sure that she will take judges comments on board and work on that passion. I cant wait to see her rumba.
jtnorth
28-11-2011
I found it more and more hypnotic as it went on, and very powerful. I just think she was having to work really, really hard to do the dance, and that came through in her performance. She wasn't practised enough to do it 'effortlessly' and focus on Pasha. I don't think that everyone would have seen it as 'lack of passion' if the VT hadn't told them that's what it was. Didn't spoil it for me.

Generally on the VT, how staged are they? If I don't think Pasha can really spin round and turn into a clown, why would I think that Chelsee is really telling him she's the only woman who doesn't fancy him? Why take anything in the VTs as other than scripted for the couples?
edy10
28-11-2011
Originally Posted by jtnorth:
“I found it more and more hypnotic as it went on, and very powerful. I just think she was having to work really, really hard to do the dance, and that came through in her performance. She wasn't practised enough to do it 'effortlessly' and focus on Pasha. I don't think that everyone would have seen it as 'lack of passion' if the VT hadn't told them that's what it was. Didn't spoil it for me.
Generally on the VT, how staged are they? If I don't think Pasha can really spin round and turn into a clown, why would I think that Chelsee is really telling him she's the only woman who doesn't fancy him? Why take anything in the VTs as other than scripted for the couples?”

I agree.
Muggsy
28-11-2011
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“Yes, this is a message board, but it still doesn't mean swearing is okay. Look around, it's not the norm on here.”

It's the bl**dy norm in my posts!
BuddyBontheNet
28-11-2011
Originally Posted by jtnorth:
“I found it more and more hypnotic as it went on, and very powerful. I just think she was having to work really, really hard to do the dance, and that came through in her performance. She wasn't practised enough to do it 'effortlessly' and focus on Pasha. I don't think that everyone would have seen it as 'lack of passion' if the VT hadn't told them that's what it was. Didn't spoil it for me.

Generally on the VT, how staged are they? If I don't think Pasha can really spin round and turn into a clown, why would I think that Chelsee is really telling him she's the only woman who doesn't fancy him? Why take anything in the VTs as other than scripted for the couples?”


Hypnotic is the word I used as well on another thread about her AT.

Originally Posted by Muggsy:
“It's the bl**dy norm in my posts!”

Only on the NAT!
Ferfichkin
28-11-2011
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“Yes, this is a message board, but it still doesn't mean swearing is okay. Look around, it's not the norm on here.”

Oh, dear. I offer my abject apologies for causing offense. In future I shall endeavour to remember that the clutching of pearls and tutting into hankies is the norm. Ever so grateful. Really.
Pet Monkey
28-11-2011
Originally Posted by Ferfichkin:
“Oh, dear. I offer my abject apologies for causing offense. In future I shall endeavour to remember that the clutching of pearls and tutting into hankies is the norm. Ever so grateful. Really.”

Come off it. I know I'm butting in here but Buddy's dealing with you on the level and you're resorting to a silly parody in return.
Wit is one thing. Fronting up and being honest in your response to a person is another. Be bigger than this.

The daft thing was, the whole dispute was between people supporting the same bloody couple.
Last edited by Pet Monkey : 28-11-2011 at 17:53
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