it was a good dance but worth a 9 for me. I don't particularly connect with Harry and his dancing even though I can see it is technically good.

a 10 for me doesn't have to be technically perfect but has to have the emotion and intensity and make you want to see it over and over again

and James Jordan is the barometer of nothing cos he thought another leaden and ungraceful performance from Alex deserved a higher score than it got...

Loverach I definitely didn't mean you. And no one offended me. I just get a bit annoyed when I see these messages/threads started about a poster's less favourite dancer, when that dancer gets a good mark and, like JVS said, the poster suddenly becomes an expert of dancing and thinks his opinion should over-rule the judges.

I actually agree with your post!

I loved it , Harrys QS I was wowed by it .I would have given it a 10 .But I know nothing about dance and am just a watcher as I think are most of the SCT viewers .
Is it a case of viewers who dance and viewers who dont having a very different look on it and different expectations

I know I watch medical programmes with a very different eye than others , I watch and see mistakes and errors , my friends see no such thing and sit back and relax
Maybe SCD is seen that way by most , with no clue of mistakes , technique etc

So a big 10 from me becuase it wowed me .

Name any professional and I (and I'm sure Craig, and really anyone on this thread who has competed at amateur/pro level) can give you at least one thing wrong with their dancing. Does this mean that none of them also deserve a 10 from you or Craig?

And this is because perfection doesn't exist in dancing. Because the artistic side of it is down to interpretation (hence the judges' disagreement) and the physical side can always become better than before. The current world champions are faster, more dynamic than world champions 10 years ago, and this new level of athleticism that dancers have achieved has transformed dancing from what it looked 10 years ago. And 10 years from now it will be different again.

Which is why real dance competitions aren't judged by marking dancers out of a certain mark. They are judged by ranking the dancers.

And all this makes a 10 obsolete in SCD. But this is a TV show and there has to be a vow factor. So the judges are given a 10 paddle and are required to use it, and people like Craig who are perfectionists and picky, save it for the last possible minute. Last year Craig gave his first 10 to Kara in the final to a dance Kara had done before (was it the AS or her rumba?!). I actually thought Kara did that dance better originally than in the final. But there was this hype and pressure about Craig not having given Kara a 10, specially to such an amazing dance (I think it was their rumba), and so Craig pulled out his 10 paddle.

I think you are probably right Abba - i also know little of technic when it comes to dancing but i do know what i find enjoyable to watch. In my opinion Harry deserved to be at the top of the leaderboard last night - he was the best and what was great about his dance was that it was recognisable
as a quickstep which cant be said of some of the dances this series. I also think that the judging panel is made up of 4 people some who are there for technicality and some for entertainment just like the viewing audience! I thought he was going to get 4 tens!

Sorry, I didn't mean to take you the wrong way.

I'm sorry, Craig can be just as guilty of overmarking as the others, he doesn't do it as often, but he does do it, just go back and look at some of his scores for Pamela.

THAT!!! is my problem with Harry!! IMO is performances are sexless, soulless and mechanical, he leaves me bored rotten, at least chelsea makes me "feel" something, harry goes through the motions it dosent come from inside!!!

Not for me , I love watching Harry ,I hate gushing OTT facial expressions ,we are all different I guess

I just havent taken to Harry at all, he just bores me to tears!!! I really dont think any of this years contestants have blown me away this series!!

I thought she was from Eccles not Manchester I believe she's doing the donkey in Shrek next week! Could be a barn dance

Neither of them really shows the passion in their face. Anita was the best for that. Both of them show it more in the way they move their bodies, and Chelsee didn't really show it last night, in my opinion. Harry had the easier dance tonight, although as a rather intense, introspective young man, he used well in the tangos. He has more problem with the bouncy, happy latin numbers.

Compared with some of the other routines this series, Harry and Aliona's quickstep stood out from the others and thoroughly deserved the marks. If Anita and Alex are getting 8's and 9's, Harry deserves more because he is a better dancer. I enjoyed the quickstep because their were no props, they did a proper quickstep and there wasn't a terrible choice of music for once.

I agree, but I think Anita being a good actress has helped her. Chealsee on the other hand, not doing very well in the acting department. Harry is not an actor therefore is understandable that he cant emote that well. But funnily enough I find his tangoes much better acted than Jason's tango and paso, who is actor.

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This

I've always thought of a 10 in Strictly to be the same as a 10 in dressage, where it means 'Excellent' rather than 'Perfect', because perfection doesn't exist. Much kinder on the blood pressure that way.

And rightly so.

Being a privileged, wussy, private school mummy's boy and charisma free zone, doesn't make him exempt.

Oh really?
Chelsee dances like a 23 year old behaving like a rather dim 16 year old whilst trying to dance like a grown woman.

It was virtually faultless and deserved 10s.

At least we know Pash is dancing with a real human being - Chelsee.

Aliona only to programme the posh robot.

There's no need for personal insults!!

You beat me to it,teeswolf,

Yep very real unfortunately. Every weekend I can see scores of dim shallow self obsessed young girls just like Chelsee shuffling around my town centre in their Uggs either constantly texting on their phones, or with them permanantly stuck to their ears. I don't really want to see them again on SCD thank v much. Chelsee would have been more suited to appearing on Take Me Out over on ITV wth her own kin

Insults? Where? You should look elsewhere!! ^^^

LOL.

Whatever their backgrounds, Chelsee and Harry both deserve to be on SCD.