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Old 29-11-2011, 21:35
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The 5 that are willing to give Bernie the largest number of wheelbarrows laden with money.
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Old 29-11-2011, 23:10
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I thought the British GP had a 17 year contract.
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Old 30-11-2011, 02:23
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I thought the British GP had a 17 year contract.
I'm sure there's plenty of wriggle-room in the contract relating to the standard of facilities, revenue, attendance, etc.

TBH, I suspect Bernie is just being a bit of a bastard. He seems to enjoy reminding circuits, teams, drivers and anybody else within earshot that they're all just part of "his" circus.
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Old 30-11-2011, 07:41
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I thought the British GP had a 17 year contract.
So did I.
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Old 30-11-2011, 09:15
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Bernie is doing his usual thing of reminding everyone who's the Boss, but he needs to be careful. While it may be true that the commercial CoG for F1 has shifted to Asia (as a result of the ban on tabaco advertising in Europe) the teams and engine suppliers are very much European. The knowledge and skill to run F1 as a sport is European and is not easily exported to somewhere else. While the teams might be content to allow a 20 race season with only 8 European races I doubt they will allow any further erosion of that. If Bernie wants to fit in more new races I think he'll have to remove some of the 'tranditional' non-European races - Australia and Canada being the obvious ones. With possibly ne or two USA races will there be much interest in Canada anymore?

For the European audience F1 is all about tradition - seeing the teams and cars they've followed all their lives racing at the same circuits. If that was diluted too much F1 would lose it's appeal for a lot of people. There'd be room then for another A1GP type formula backed by the big manufacturers racing at the historic European circuits.
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Old 30-11-2011, 09:16
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Look what happened to Turkey - new track and facilities but dropped after only a few years due to attendance figures (and perhaps other reasons too).
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Old 30-11-2011, 09:19
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Has anyone heard any rumours about Sky's F1 commentary line-up? I wondered if any of the BBC team would jump over but JH, DC & EJ all talked about next year in Brazil. The only one who didn't seem to talk about 2012 with the BBC was MB. Are the BBC sending a team out to each race, even those they aren't showing live? I wondered if MB had decided to race at Le Mans next season because he'd have sme spare time but if he's still going to each race, that doesn't make sense. Actually it doesn't make sense anyeay as the BBC are supposed to be saving money so surely they're only going to the 10 live races?

Edit - just answered my own question - MB has joined Sky. Can't say I'm surprised but it does beg the question who the BBC can possibly replace him with? It pretty much ensures I'll watch the Sky coverage for all the races. Not sure how he'll manage Le Mans as well, though. I think he's done it before during a F1 season while he's been a commentator but not since the rwace season get extended so much.
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Old 30-11-2011, 09:21
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brundle is def going to sky. Tweeted it the other day.
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Old 30-11-2011, 09:26
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brundle is def going to sky. Tweeted it the other day.
Yup, just saw that on t'internet.
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Old 30-11-2011, 09:46
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I read Jake's blog after the final race on Sunday and he says that they (the BBC) will still be at every race next year although the actual coverage of practice/qualifying/race will be shared between BBC and Sky as per previous announcements.

I thought the reason for the deal with Sky was to allow the BBC to save money yet they're still sending out a complete team to each race. So is the money-saving aspect only to do with the broadcasting rights and not the expenditure of sending a presenter, two co-presenters/analysts/"experts", a pit-lane reporter, driver-pen reporter, x camera-persons and sound engineers, and the rest of the production team to 20 races a year?
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Old 30-11-2011, 11:16
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I read Jake's blog after the final race on Sunday and he says that they (the BBC) will still be at every race next year although the actual coverage of practice/qualifying/race will be shared between BBC and Sky as per previous announcements.

I thought the reason for the deal with Sky was to allow the BBC to save money yet they're still sending out a complete team to each race. So is the money-saving aspect only to do with the broadcasting rights and not the expenditure of sending a presenter, two co-presenters/analysts/"experts", a pit-lane reporter, driver-pen reporter, x camera-persons and sound engineers, and the rest of the production team to 20 races a year?
The costs are to do with the rights. The quote below was taken from another thread.

The total for production costs was probably in the region of £3m a year. Next year they will be down to around £2.5m

The cost of the rights for 2012 under the old contract would have been £42m. Under the new contract it's £18m.
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Old 30-11-2011, 13:00
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Thanks for that.
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Old 30-11-2011, 22:27
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I still think that, before selling out to Sky, the beeb should have at least investigated the possibility of some kind of subscription-based system on the BBC.

They could have, for example, charged people £10 for a "season ticket" to view all FP and quali' sessions via the interweb and then broadcast the races on telly as normal.

I'm sure most fans would rather pay a tenner to the BBC rather than having to part with £400-odd to Sky.
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Old 30-11-2011, 22:36
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I still think that, before selling out to Sky, the beeb should have at least investigated the possibility of some kind of subscription-based system on the BBC.

They could have, for example, charged people £10 for a "season ticket" to view all FP and quali' sessions via the interweb and then broadcast the races on telly as normal.

I'm sure most fans would rather pay a tenner to the BBC rather than having to part with £400-odd to Sky.
I very much doubt that. Infact I would say the BBC charging for something that was free the year before would cause greater outrage than Sky having the rights.

Scrap that BBC charging for anything would cause outrage, and rightly so, thats what the tv license is for.

Sky has every right to charge as an additional service. Plus I would guess that a large percentage of F1 fans have Sky anyway.
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Old 30-11-2011, 22:55
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I'm not sure but isn't there something in the Charter that prevents Aunite for charging (other than the licence fee)?
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Old 01-12-2011, 11:10
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I still think that, before selling out to Sky, the beeb should have at least investigated the possibility of some kind of subscription-based system on the BBC.

They could have, for example, charged people £10 for a "season ticket" to view all FP and quali' sessions via the interweb and then broadcast the races on telly as normal.

I'm sure most fans would rather pay a tenner to the BBC rather than having to part with £400-odd to Sky.
If a fan has Sky Sports already, then they will receive the F1 for free i.e. there is no extra charge to what they already pay. In this case, fans would not be happy paying £10 to the BBC.
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Old 02-12-2011, 10:18
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Williams retain Maldonado
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Old 02-12-2011, 10:46
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I did laugh at this bit from frank williams

"Pastor has proven this year that he is not only quick but also that he is able to maintain a consistent and strong race pace"

Nothing to do with the Venezuelan money coming in at all then lol
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Old 02-12-2011, 11:24
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I did laugh at this bit from frank williams

"Pastor has proven this year that he is not only quick but also that he is able to maintain a consistent and strong race pace"

Nothing to do with the Venezuelan money coming in at all then lol
Noone could argue that he's not been consistent
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Old 02-12-2011, 23:43
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I still think that, before selling out to Sky, the beeb should have at least investigated the possibility of some kind of subscription-based system on the BBC.

They could have, for example, charged people £10 for a "season ticket" to view all FP and quali' sessions via the interweb and then broadcast the races on telly as normal.

I'm sure most fans would rather pay a tenner to the BBC rather than having to part with £400-odd to Sky.
I think that putting F1 on Sky will not impact most F1 fans as they are already Sky subscribers. Most people won't feel that F1 has gone behind the Paywall because they will get the coverage at no additional cost, cost that has already been taken into consideration in their budgets. When Sky did the F1Digital Channel about 10 years ago that was behind a Paywall as it was on Box Office so even regular subscribers had to pay extra. I preferred to watch the F1 on ITV rather than pay and as a fan of James Allen I couldn't stand the dull commentary team Sky had put in place.

....If Brundle has gone to Sky maybe JA could fill in at the Beeb - he was so maligned but I could never understand why.
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Old 03-12-2011, 15:59
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Red Bull and Ferrari leave FOTA.

Bit of a strange one.

I can see why Ferrari might think it's okay to leave FOTA.
I mean, Bernie has made it perfectly clear that F1 "needs" Ferrari so it's not like Ferrari really needs FOTA to fight for their rights.
Also, with regard to the use of Fiorano, specifically, I can see why it might be frustrating for them.
The track is already there for Ferrari road cars to be developed so the F1 team can use it without incuring huge expense.
The fact that other teams aren't in the same position is just tough luck.

RBR is a bit different though.
They're solely an F1 team so they're at the mercy of Bernie, the FIA and the various track owners.
It seems rather dodgy that they would risk falling foul of any outside agency without the protection that FOTA offer.

I really can't see any reason why RBR would leave FOTA if they ARE adhering to all its rules.
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Old 03-12-2011, 19:01
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Red Bull and Ferrari leave FOTA.

Bit of a strange one.

I can see why Ferrari might think it's okay to leave FOTA.
I mean, Bernie has made it perfectly clear that F1 "needs" Ferrari so it's not like Ferrari really needs FOTA to fight for their rights.
Also, with regard to the use of Fiorano, specifically, I can see why it might be frustrating for them.
The track is already there for Ferrari road cars to be developed so the F1 team can use it without incuring huge expense.
The fact that other teams aren't in the same position is just tough luck.

RBR is a bit different though.
They're solely an F1 team so they're at the mercy of Bernie, the FIA and the various track owners.
It seems rather dodgy that they would risk falling foul of any outside agency without the protection that FOTA offer.

I really can't see any reason why RBR would leave FOTA if they ARE adhering to all its rules.
If Red Bull, then why not Toro Rosso?
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Old 03-12-2011, 21:09
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If Red Bull, then why not Toro Rosso?
While they share alot of the technical stuff they are managed by different people.
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Old 03-12-2011, 21:14
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Well that's one Williams seat filled and to be honest was expected. The question is who will get the other seat especially as Kimi who was many people's tip to get it is now at Lotus-Renault.

If Sutil doesn't retain his Force India seat then can't really see who else should get it. He's proven and was regularly in the top ten during races.
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Old 03-12-2011, 21:17
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While they share alot of the technical stuff they are managed by different people.
But the ultimate ownership, who surely must call the shots in these matters, is the same
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