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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 7)
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gomezz
17-03-2012
TV OFF, Radio OFF, Computer OFF, Mobile OFF: Listen to music, do the housework / gardening / go for a run ... Seems pretty easy to me.

Hell! I am even spending all of tomorrow in the company of motor-racing enthusiasts and won't get to see the coverage until the evening but everyone is disciplined enough to keep mum.
TheToonArmy
17-03-2012
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“TV OFF, Radio OFF, Computer OFF, Mobile OFF: Listen to music, do the housework / gardening / go for a run ... Seems pretty easy to me.

Hell! I am even spending all of tomorrow in the company of motor-racing enthusiasts and won't get to see the coverage until the evening but everyone is disciplined enough to keep mum.”

Lucky you, I have to watch it live as I would find out the results within 5 minutes from getting up tomorrow morning
Heavenly
17-03-2012
I will be sky plussing it and shall watch it when I get up, must remember not to put sky sports news on first!
LongBallPlease
17-03-2012
RTL with 5 live commentary for me, worked a treat this morning.
dolmenman
17-03-2012
It's pretty easy to find a good quality live stream...I watched qualifying live this morning...probably against the rules to post the link but "google is your friend" as they say...

Will post the link if it's allowed...Btw it was from skys F1 channel...
LongBallPlease
17-03-2012
Originally Posted by dolmenman:
“It's pretty easy to find a good quality live stream...I watched qualifying live this morning...probably against the rules to post the link but "google is your friend" as they say...

Will post the link if it's allowed...Btw it was from skys F1 channel...”

Awwwwwww, I'm telling!
Legin
17-03-2012
Originally Posted by TheToonArmy:
“Exactly.....

Drivers like Hamilton and Alonso do great overtakes nearly every race, Vettel does one a season .

Now that may be because over the last 2 years the red bull has been vastly superior and there was really nobody to overtake, but we shall see this year if the red bull continues to underperform.”

There was only one race last year where Vettel was in anything like the same position as he finds himself for this race and that was the German GP where he qualified 4th/5th (I can't be arsed to check)....anyway, he had a nightmare of a race, running off and spinning before finishing off the podium. There was some rain involved as well but when he had to do the pushing and hustling he did no better at it than Hamilton (who seemed to find himself having to push in most of the races last year with well publicised consequences). Maybe that hole in the step will help him to keep his cool
Woodentop
18-03-2012
There's a real possibility that McLaren will have stolen a march on every other team and do a Brawn and be unbeatable due to the nose design and use of exhaust gas directed down to tyres and properly explained by Ted Kravitz.

How many cars will turn up at Barcelona with a new specification chassis incorporating the lower nose and improved exhaust and possibly Mercedes' f duct like device in the DRS flap. Will probably require new crash tests, so can imagine the FIA will be busy!
TheToonArmy
18-03-2012
I know you cannot really compare last years austrailia gp with rule changes etc.... but if you compare qualifying lap times it shows just how much the rule changes have effected the teams, especially Red Bull

The track this year also was not really rubbered in but

2011

Vettel 1:23.529
Hamilton 1:24.307

2012

Vettel 1:25.688
Hamilton 1:24.922

So, Red Bull has lost some serious time, over 2 seconds.
Si_Crewe
18-03-2012
Originally Posted by Woodentop:
“There's a real possibility that McLaren will have stolen a march on every other team and do a Brawn and be unbeatable due to the nose design and use of exhaust gas directed down to tyres and properly explained by Ted Kravitz.

How many cars will turn up at Barcelona with a new specification chassis incorporating the lower nose and improved exhaust and possibly Mercedes' f duct like device in the DRS flap. Will probably require new crash tests, so can imagine the FIA will be busy!”

One thing I have noticed is that most of the teams have taken advantage of the freedom to put something in the centre section of the rear wing, above the rain light, but RBR haven't.
Si_Crewe
18-03-2012
Originally Posted by TheToonArmy:
“I know you cannot really compare last years austrailia gp with rule changes etc.... but if you compare qualifying lap times it shows just how much the rule changes have effected the teams, especially Red Bull

The track this year also was not really rubbered in but

2011

Vettel 1:23.529
Hamilton 1:24.307

2012

Vettel 1:25.688
Hamilton 1:24.922

So, Red Bull has lost some serious time, over 2 seconds.”

I know it's a different car so that might explain it but it kinda makes you wonder about last year, when they partially banned and then entirely banned blown diffusers mid season and McLaren seemed to suffer MUCH more than other teams.

It's hard to believe that McLaren had built a car so totally based on the blown diffuser that it was utterly hopeless without it and yet, this year, the same team built a car that manages to be the class of the field without it.

Can't help wondering if McLaren were the only team that really did switch off their blown diffuser completely while some other teams kinda weaseled their way around the directive.
Silent-love
18-03-2012
Watching a stream, I can totally understand why people are pissed off with the greed in F1.

It will be their downfall, millions of fans are now isolated because of money.
They are pricing themselves away from the bread and butter fans.

All I can say is work out how to access streams and fook the greedy barstewards.

I used to like Brundle, now I think He's a money grabbing cocksplat who no doubt still had a very nice offer to stay at the BBC.

Lost all credibility in my book.

C U Next Tyresday.
Si_Crewe
18-03-2012
Funny sort of a race. Seemed like several people had positions gifted to them.

VERY good showing by Williams. Proper solid midfield pace.

Massa still seems to think he's driving a dodgem car though.

Some rather odd marshalling at times. Seemed like they were rather keen to wave blue flags for no apparent reason. Button, Hamilton, Vettel and Raikkonen all asked why they were being waved at one point or another.
manforktorch
18-03-2012
Interesting race, though the safety car became a bit of a farce, unlapping cars looked a bit risky and gaining a position due to a lap delta just seems wrong to me.

Croft was making more gaffes than Murray Walker without any of the charm. The 'Sky pad' was like an awful comedy sketch and the pre-race build up was basically a collection of over edited clips and adverts. (brundle put in 40 laps with the ferrari and all we got was a unending slow motion VT) Brundle was the only saving grace with a bunch of presenters who looked about as dynamic as a corpse. I do like Damon Hill as a driver but he doesn't have the charisma to present.

Annoyed Brundle left the BBC now as the coverage will suffer from his loss while not really adding enough to Sky's coverage imho.
Si_Crewe
18-03-2012
Is it just Crofty and Brundle commentating or is there somebody else as well?

There was somebody who didn't sound like either of them who was getting VERY hyper about the whole thing, acting like they were commentating on a horse race rather than an F1 race.
manforktorch
18-03-2012
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Is it just Crofty and Brundle commentating or is there somebody else as well?

There was somebody who didn't sound like either of them who was getting VERY hyper about the whole thing, acting like they were commentating on a horse race rather than an F1 race.”

Was under the impression it was Crofty getting excited. BTW well done Button, hardly saw anything of him all race which is a good sign that he did everything right.
Si_Crewe
18-03-2012
Originally Posted by manforktorch:
“Was under the impression it was Crofty getting excited. BTW well done Button, hardly saw anything of him all race which is a good sign that he did everything right.”

Whoever it was, they need some kind of gizmo attaching to their mic' which switches it off when they get too loud.
I was gonna say, as well, it certainly seemed like whoever it was they were doing their best to relegate Brundle to a secondary "technical commentary" role.
I hear that Crofty and Brundle don't get on so perhaps it was Crofty and he was trying to "mark his territory" at Sky?

Must say, speaking as a Hamilton fan, I'm starting to think he really has lost quite a bit of his tenacity and zeal.
Perhaps, OTOH, the cars are just so marginal for tyres, fuel and aero' that there's simply no margin for a driver to really "have a go" any more?

Didn't seem like many drivers managed much overtaking except for on the DRS straights today.
Course, it's not a track that encourages overtaking.
planetnokia
18-03-2012
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Is it just Crofty and Brundle commentating or is there somebody else as well?

There was somebody who didn't sound like either of them who was getting VERY hyper about the whole thing, acting like they were commentating on a horse race rather than an F1 race.”

Can't say I enjoyed the coverage at all....not a patch on the Beeb presentation
manforktorch
18-03-2012
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Whoever it was, they need some kind of gizmo attaching to their mic' which switches it off when they get too loud.
I was gonna say, as well, it certainly seemed like whoever it was they were doing their best to relegate Brundle to a secondary "technical commentary" role.
I hear that Crofty and Brundle don't get on so perhaps it was Crofty and he was trying to "mark his territory" at Sky?

Must say, speaking as a Hamilton fan, I'm starting to think he really has lost quite a bit of his tenacity and zeal.
Perhaps, OTOH, the cars are just so marginal for tyres, fuel and aero' that there's simply no margin for a driver to really "have a go" any more?

Didn't seem like many drivers managed much overtaking except for on the DRS straights today.
Course, it's not a track that encourages overtaking.”

I found this funny on the telegraph;
Race commentator: David Croft
Co-commentator/analyst: Martin Brundle

Croft wasn't just mixing up drivers, he couldn't identify the cars.

As Hamilton fan as well I was a bit disappointed that he didn't really take a run at Vettel at the end and didn't seem aggressive at all. Though I'm wondering if he is reigning himself in to get the consistency he lacked last year.
Liamforking
18-03-2012
After a poor qualifying, the early signs look very good for Raikkonen.
Spoiler
Always brilliant to see Button win.
Si_Crewe
18-03-2012
Just heard in the press-conference that McLaren were marginal for fuel.
Tyres probably didn't help either.

Seems like you just get a couple of laps to "have a go" these days and then you've just got to hold station for a while.

Must say, I always used to like listening to Crofty during FP.
If that was him shouting during the race (and, listening to the replays, I think it was) I think he needs to stand back from the mic' a bit.
Ideally, in another room. In another town.
Assa2
18-03-2012
Can I just say I was perfectly happy with the coverage. I'll take Croft over DC every time.

Can I also suggest that now that the season is underway this thread is used for discussing the racing and the discussions of the TV coverage are moved to the appropriate thread in the TV forum. The BBC v Sky fight is getting a bit tedious.
Si_Crewe
18-03-2012
Originally Posted by Assa2:
“Can I just say I was perfectly happy with the coverage. I'll take Croft over DC every time.

Can I also suggest that now that the season is underway this thread is used for discussing the racing and the discussions of the TV coverage are moved to the appropriate thread in the TV forum. The BBC v Sky fight is getting a bit tedious.”

So, do you have anything to say about the race rather than the coverage?
Assa2
18-03-2012
In terms of the racing I'm very happy. JB gets off to a flying start and surprisingly was much faster than LH. The rest of the field looks pretty competative and RB will make sure Mclaren don't dominate. I'll be very interested to see how the cars develope once we gat back to Europe. Frantic last lap and I'm still not sure what happened.
Assa2
18-03-2012
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“So, do you have anything to say about the race rather than the coverage? ”

Hey, give us a chance. Its not easy to type one handed on a tablet.
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