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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 7)
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Si_Crewe
12-05-2012
Dunno why they're all muttering about the tyres that have been burned up in quali'.

In the race it'll just be a case of doing the first leg on quali' tyres and then running the rest of the race on primes, which nobody's really used.
Si_Crewe
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by iamsofired:
“Whats all that about - it seems every other week he's blaming oversteer and and understeer :yawn:”

And yet, wherever you look on the internet, all you see is people slagging off Hamilton for all the moaning he, apparently, does.
Woodentop
12-05-2012
What a pile of shite the last part of qualifying was. Well done F1 and Pirelli for turning it into s dull boring show. Schumacher is right,this is all about conservation, rather than outright speed. F*cking rubbish.
Si_Crewe
12-05-2012
I like the way Hamilton is saying "...and I'd like to thank the factory for all the upgrades they've provided...".

Yes Lewis, like the new front wing which the factory provided and which Jenson fitted to his car while you stuck with the old one.
Buttons new front wing was a very useful upgrade.... for you.

*EDIT*
Team radio suggests Lewis had to stop the car because of a problem rather than low fuel.

Uh oh.
Mark F
12-05-2012
Another new winner...

Seems to be so wide open..is that just down to the drivers?

The likes of Kimi and Alonson are good enough to really compete even if their car isn't as high performance wise.
apaul
12-05-2012
Kimi is hardly outperforming his teammate. Alonso is, but how far that is down to him and how far to Massa is hard to say.
dsweetenham
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
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*EDIT*
Team radio suggests Lewis had to stop the car because of a problem rather than low fuel.

Uh oh. ”

now it seems it was low fuel, tweet from Ted Kravitz

Hamilton's car had 1.3 litres of fuel remaining in tank after he stopped. You need 1lt for FIA sample and approx 2lt for in lap.

Fundamental error from McLaren (again)? He had half a second in his pocket! McLaren got away with it in Canada a couple of seasons ago but you have to say they probably deserve a penalty.
Stunty
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by dsweetenham:
“now it seems it was low fuel, tweet from Ted Kravitz

Hamilton's car had 1.3 litres of fuel remaining in tank after he stopped. You need 1lt for FIA sample and approx 2lt for in lap.

Fundamental error from McLaren (again)? He had half a second in his pocket! McLaren got away with it in Canada a couple of seasons ago but you have to say they probably deserve a penalty.”

Martin Whitmarsh did seem a bit economical with his comments both on BBC and Sky as to why Lewis had to stop on the circuit. All this business if 'we have to study the data' then it was revealed that the team had told Lewis to stop, so by that Martin would have known exactly why they told him to stop the car immediately.

I thought Jake was very quick in his commenting, when Lewis came out of the garage after he had weighed-in, he was beckoned over to one of the team who whispered something in his ear, to which Jake immediately said wtte, 'probably telling Lewis not to give the real reason why he had to stop on track'. Well done to Jake, think he hit the nail on the head there!

By not doing the in lap they saved fuel, and also saved the tyres from further degradation, especially as it was that lap which gained him the pole.

Watch this space, it all seems a bit suspicious.
allthingsuk
12-05-2012
McLaren just cannot be making mistakes like this. If Hamilton does get a penalty, then yet again, it will be a fundamental error by McLaren. Frankly, championship winning teams don't, or rarely make, amateurish mistakes, and McLaren is making too many of them, whether it's pit stops or underfuelling. It would be a shame as Hamilton was on it all weekend.
TVScourge
12-05-2012
If nothing happens, it'll be McLaren's 150th pole. If Hamilton is slung out, it'll be Williams 1st pole since Europe 2005.

Actually it was Brazil 2010 I just been informed.
Stunty
12-05-2012
The radio transmission from the pits to Lewis after crossing the line, wtte ....

P: Stop the car as soon as you can.
L: Is there a problem?
P: We are on pole, just stop the car immediately,we will explain all later .........


No problem, just no fuel left! Nice move McLaren, if it is allowed and there is no penalty all the teams will be doing that in the next race, to save vital milliseconds and tyre wear.
iamsofired
12-05-2012
Hamilton to start at back of grid - ouch.
allthingsuk
12-05-2012
What an utter shambles. And what a shame - quite a few setbacks already this season for Hamilton. But rules are rules and when they are broken, penalties must be served. This may come back to bite McLaren come the end of the season, and they really aren't taking advantage of the speed they have at the moment. They've shot themselves in the foot yet again.

When will McLaren learn? You wouldn't see Red Bull making this sort of mistake - and the margin of pole suggests Hamilton would have been on pole anyway without the underfuelling.
Early Bird
12-05-2012
Bernie clearly threw his toys out the pram knowing that his favourite little RB boy toy was not on pole.....



Didn't the same thing happen with Ferrari last season.... and yet, no penalty was given?!!!
dsweetenham
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
“When will McLaren learn? You wouldn't see Red Bull making this sort of mistake - and the margin of pole suggests Hamilton would have been on pole anyway without the underfuelling.”

time to get Ron back...the friendly skeleton isn't up to it.

Apparently according to Gary Anderson 'McLaren refueller turned the tap to 'drain' instead of 'fill' briefly, realised his error but engineers sent car out'.

For me this suggests they were hoping to get away with this mistake like Canada 2010. Someone should of been sensible and pulled Lewis back in even if he didn't get chance for a second run he'd still be in a decent position rather than dead last.

It's a harsher penalty than I was expecting but I don't blame the stewards for dishing it out.
EllieG
12-05-2012
Another stupid mistake by McLaren, they seem determined to throw away the championships this year.

The punishment does seem overly harsh though - surely the fair thing would be to disqualify the last time Hamilton did and use the previous one he set in P3? At the very worst demote him to 10th place.

To send him straight to the back of the grid when he legitimately got through P1 and P2 does not seem fair to him or a reasonable penalty.
Mark F
12-05-2012
Ouch!

Seems harsh but Lewis likes a battle on the tract and this is one.
Mystical123
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by EllieG:
“The punishment does seem overly harsh though - surely the fair thing would be to disqualify the last time Hamilton did and use the previous one he set in P3? At the very worst demote him to 10th place.

To send him straight to the back of the grid when he legitimately got through P1 and P2 does not seem fair to him or a reasonable penalty.”

Exactly. The error only affected Q3, it had nothing to do with his time in Q1 or Q2. It does seem that Hamilton's being harshly punished to set an example, rather than fairly punished to enforce the rules, and McLaren have a right to be annoyed at that.
dsweetenham
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Exactly. The error only affected Q3, it had nothing to do with his time in Q1 or Q2. It does seem that Hamilton's being harshly punished to set an example, rather than fairly punished to enforce the rules, and McLaren have a right to be annoyed at that.”

The more I think about it the more I agree with the decision.

If the stewards though they were trying to 'pull a fast one' then I think it's fair they knew he didn't have the fuel but thought they'd chance it anyway. Maybe if Canada 2010 hadn't happened he might of got a lesser penalty but the rules were tightened up as a result of that incident for a reason.

As a McLaren fan my anger is at Whitmarsh/Michael who are in charge and need to be getting a grip of the team.
TheToonArmy
12-05-2012
Can't see Lewis been at McLaren next year, Too many mistakes costing both drivers this year

Bring back Ron.
Early Bird
12-05-2012
I just hope that the other drivers are given the same punishment when they STOP on the track!!!!!
maninthequeue
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Exactly. The error only affected Q3, it had nothing to do with his time in Q1 or Q2. It does seem that Hamilton's being harshly punished to set an example, rather than fairly punished to enforce the rules, and McLaren have a right to be annoyed at that.”

I agree. Surely he should be demoted to 10th on the grid not 24th.
skimminstones
12-05-2012
bit confused by this. The tweets im reading are saying its because under a certain article the car needs to return under its own power to be tested. But didnt one of the saubers have to be returned by the stewards? Why arent they starting at the back too?

plus why remove all of hamiltons times when it only affected that one lap? Surely just delete that time and let his previous one stand, which would have left him 6th?

It does seem from the outside in that hamilton continuously gets a tough time from the stewards, does make you start to question why that is
allthingsuk
12-05-2012
I think this may sum up McLaren at the moment - a potentially championship winning car, but amateur, amateur mistakes which will cost them dear, I'm sure. And this applies to Button as well - both their drivers have been robbed at the start of this season.
Forza Ferrari
12-05-2012
Poor show mclaren running light again. Good on the fia for catching them. Really should be further action as clearly both hamilton and whitmarsh lied after the event. Load of rubbish about a technical issue and lewis was clear whispered the truth and cover up instruction by a mec in parc ferme.

Bad for the sport this sort of thing did liegate teach lewis and mclaren nothing?
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