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Si and Assa, I take on board what you both say about complacency from the FIA officials checking over the cars. I accept that on some occasions a car may get passed, when it is infact illegal. Although I would hope that this would be a rare occasion. Maybe I was a bit naive in thinking that the checks were carried out were very meticulous, where nothing illegal got through.
Anybody know what the process is for checking over a car? I am aware that they weigh the car, test the fuel and ensure the software module is still intact. What else do they do? How through is the check? I take it some guy doesnt come along, kick the tyre admire the car and say, "passed". |
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Si and Assa, I take on board what you both say about complacency from the FIA officials checking over the cars. I accept that on some occasions a car may get passed, when it is infact illegal. Although I would hope that this would be a rare occasion. Maybe I was a bit naive in thinking that the checks were carried out were very meticulous, where nothing illegal got through.
Anybody know what the process is for checking over a car? I am aware that they weigh the car, test the fuel and ensure the software module is still intact. What else do they do? How through is the check? I take it some guy doesnt come along, kick the tyre admire the car and say, "passed". I could not find anything on the Scrutineering before the season but found something on the Scrutineering during a race weekend. Its for the 2007 season and things would have changed but I suppose it will give us a general idea on what happens. http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/6078/389/ Quote:
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Date : 24 August 2007 2007 TURKISH GRAND PRIX From : The FIA Formula One Technical Delegate To : The Stewards of the Meeting TECHNICAL DELEGATE’S REPORT After the first free practice session: It was checked that all 22 cars did not exceed 19000 rpm during the first free practice session. The fuel pressure of all 22 cars during the first free practice session was checked. A fuel sample was taken from car number 16. After the second free practice session: The following cars were weighed: Number Car Driver 04 Renault Heikki Kovalainen 21 Spyker Ferrari Sakon Yamamoto Car numbers 04 and 21 were checked for the following: 1) Bodywork around the front wheels 2) Front wing height and overhang 3) Rear wing height and overhang 4) Front and rear wing width 5) Rear wing configuration 6) Rear bodywork area 7) Rear winglet height 8) Stepped bottom 9) Overall height 10) Overall width It was checked that car numbers 03, 04, 05, 06, 09 and 10 did not exceed 19000 rpm during the second free practice session. The fuel pressure of car numbers 03, 04, 05, 06, 09 and 10 during the second free practice session was checked. The tyres used by all drivers during the sessions today have been checked. A fuel sample was taken from car number 07. The results of fuel analyses show that the fuels were the same as ones, which had been approved for use by the relevant competitors prior to the Event. All the above items were found to be in conformity with 2007 FIA Formula One Technical Regulations. The front tyres from set 1612 allocated to car number 16 have been found to be not marked by the tyre supplier in accordance with Article 25.1 b) of the 2007 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulation. I am referring this matter to the stewards for their consideration. |
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I have always wondered what is checked so did a bit googling
I could not find anything on the Scrutineering before the season but found something on the Scrutineering during a race weekend. Its for the 2007 season and things would have changed but I suppose it will give us a general idea on what happens. http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/6078/389/ |
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*sigh*
McLaren running a completely different (high downforce) rear wing to everybody else in FP1. Not usually a good sign when McLaren go a different way to everybody else. ![]() Hopefully they're just doing some kind of testing for future races. If not, I guess they're assuming they won't qualify well so they'll have the benefit of DRS during the race. Just listening to JB on team radio. He's been moaning all weekend - very annoying to listen to. He was doing it in Spain as well. |
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I think they've put the high downforce as if to suggest that McLaren believe they can stick on pole and control the race from there. Red Bull did a similar thing last year, using high downforce at most tracks, to get to the front in qualifying - if they were in the pack, they would be sitting ducks due to DRS.
Just listening to JB on team radio. He's been moaning all weekend - very annoying to listen to. He was doing it in Spain as well. Course, I'm no expert of F1 strategy. ![]() Be interesting to see if they're still doing something different to everybody else in Quali'. After all, Button was moaning about "poor visibility" during FP in Spain and that was, apparently, cos they were monkeying around with bodywork planned for 2013. Maybe they think they've got time to play around with this stuff? Be nice if they spent their time practicing pitstops instead. Does seem like all you hear from Button these days is "The car is a bag of shite" before the race and then "Oh well, it's just one of those things" afterwards. If that was Hamilton I'm sure he'd be getting ripped to bits for his attitude. As I said before, the weird thing is that this should be the first car that Button has had input into the design of so you'd think it'd handle just how he likes it. Maybe what Button really needs is a nervous car which he can drive as smoothly as possible rather than a neutral car which there's no way to optimise? |
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once again hamilton outclasses button
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Interesting that McLaren didn't manage to set a fastest time in the first or third sector.
Middle sector is fairly twisty so you'd think there wouldn't be anything to stop them doing as well in S1 as well. I wonder if the stiff front end on the McLaren is stopping the drivers from really commiting to the last chicane? Hamilton 1.1s faster than Button. Grosjean outqualifies Raikkonen as well. I see that Kimmi is settling back into making whiney excuses for a poor performance again. I guess the honeymoon period at Lotault is over. |
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Button struggles again with the set up
He's yet to be on pole for Mclaren. |
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Shocker for Button, but even on Hamilton's onboard, the car did not look completely settled. Running a stiffer suspension is really not helping on the bumps or helping either driver to attack. To be three tenths behind Red Bull when they were ahead by a larger margin at the start of the year, shows how far McLaren have fallen back, despite the front row start.
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Button really appears to be struggling, and it appears to be the same "issues" every time. He really needs to get it sorted, he's being shown up massively by Lewis at the moment. McLaren need a word, as he'll be starting to lose vital constructors' championship points for them.
Toro Rosso seem to be falling backwards. Replacing both their drivers at once really does seem to have hurt them. They're reaping what they've sown. Good pole by Vettel, though. The start tomorrow is going to be an interesting one. |
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Just a comment on from the issues with the Red Bull "tyre squirt" holes, following the FIA's issue of a Technical Directive which stated that ...
"Following on from a number of discussions in Monaco, during which it became clear that certain misunderstandings existed, we feel it would be helpful to make our position clear with respect to the presence of a fully enclosed hole in any surface lying on the step plane. It has been argued that, as it is not explicitly stated that fully enclosed holes cannot be located in a surface lying on the step plane rearward of a line 450mm forward of the rear face of the cockpit template, then they may be located in such areas. We disagree with this view and consider it implicit that fully enclosed holes may not be located there." The FIA acknowledged that there were "misunderstandings" as the rules were open to interpretation. They disagree with Red Bull's interpretation, so have clarified the position by stating that the enclosed hole is now considered to be illegal. Prior to the issue of the TD, the hole was a grey area rather than a clear breach of the rules, so there is no way Red Bull can be retrospectively punished. This often happens in F1 as designers are constantly trying to interpret the rules to their advantage, so we've had questions over double diffusers, F-ducts, tuned mass dampers, flexible floors etc. and in each case the FIA has clarified the rule for future races, but hasn't applied any retrospective penalties. Of course, depending on which Team you support, the FIA are either "right" or "wrong" to do that! Sometimes, they're even so "wrong" it must be some sort of conspiracy!! ![]() Speaking of Red Bull and interpretations, I see they've had to block the "cooling holes" in their hubs for this weekend's race, as they've found themselves in the same position as Renault with their tuned mass damper. The suggestion is that the air which is vented out through the wheels may have some aerodynamic effect, so again the FIA have moved to close any loopholes (no pun intended!) |
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The cynic in me would say Button did well last last season because he needed a drive for this season. Now that he has a three contract, the need to do well is no longer there.
Vettel was awesome in qualifying. Way out in front, l got a feeling tomorrow maybe a RB performance like last year...run into a 2 second lead within 3 laps, then drive to a comfortable finish. hopefully we will have some rain romorrow to mix it up. |
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Red Bull Racing forced to modify its wheel hub design
More changes for Red Bull http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100230 Quote:
Red Bull Racing has been forced to make modifications to the wheel hub of its car after suggestions it was gaining an aerodynamic advantage from its clever design.
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Usually a decent race in Canada and with the main guys at the top of the grid I fancy another one.
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Usually a decent race in Canada and with the main guys at the top of the grid I fancy another one.
Hopefully the racing won't be ruined by all 24 drivers trying to look after their tyres rather than attacking. Apparently Hamilton did a 30-odd lap run on the options so Brundle seems to think this will be a 1-stop race without tyres compromising the racing. |
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Hmmm....
Nobody really looking particularly fighty so far. Lap 7 and drivers are already getting radio messages to look after their tyres. |
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Webber trundling around, stuck behind Perez and Raikkonen, and being told to have patience and wait for them to pit.
Hmmm, not being told to challenge for the place then?
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Fantastic ending.....come on lewis
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Ridiculous decision by the team to pit Hamilton again. What were they thinking?
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Ridiculous decision by the team to pit Hamilton again. What were they thinking?
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Well Hamilton was due a win this season.
7th different winner. |
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Why the hell has alonso been on they same tires for so many laps. No wonder he got took over so easy his tyres must be gone
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well done Lewis
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Yessss Lewis!! Fantastic race
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Button 16th,
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