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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 7)
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dsweetenham
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by footygirl:
“Being taken out of a race by a hotheaded driver does not consitute a horror show”

A dreadful pitstop, another slow day from Jenson and a car that even with Lewis in it was well off the pace of Vettel whilst not a horror show is certainly cause for concern.

It was a silly move from Maldonado but being ultra critical Lewis probably should of thought about the championship and let him (and Kimi) go without taking even more out of his tyres.

Even if they'd got through that incident unscathed you'd of expected Pastor to get past and you had Schumacher and Webber closing in behind. They were the drivers he should of been concerned about beating when it was clear his tyres were gone.
footygirl
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
“Hamilton would have certainly lost 3rd and maybe have lost 4th for that matter because his tyres were completely wrecked. It was a reckless move as you say. He would have got past anyway. David Croft on commentary said Maldonado must size up his opportunity, not go for a silly move like that.”

And Hamilton would have still scored some points. Anyone know who the driver steward is today.

I feel for Lewis today, he was taken out unfairly - I would throw the book at Pastor for that
allthingsuk
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Worst thing is that it's going to start having an impact on Hamilton and Button's race strategy.
When there's a race where a 3 stop strategy IS theoretically faster they're gonna start electing to go with a 2 or even 1 stop strategy just to minimise the potential for the oompa-loompa's to muck things up for them.”

That's one way of naming the pit crew. It is a hard job but the number of mistakes they've made is silly. If things had panned out differently with the pitstop, the end result of the race could have been different for Hamilton.
footygirl
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by dsweetenham:
“A dreadful pitstop, another slow day from Jenson and a car that even with Lewis in it was well off the pace of Vettel whilst not a horror show is certainly cause for concern.

It was a silly move from Maldonado but being ultra critical Lewis probably should of thought about the championship and let him (and Kimi) go without taking even more out of his tyres.

Even if they'd got through that incident unscathed you'd of expected Pastor to get past and you had Schumacher and Webber closing in behind. They were the drivers he should of been concerned about beating when it was clear his tyres were gone.”

Maybe he should have - but it is to be hoped that other drivers show a bit of common sense and don't go for gaps that are none existant. Maldonado deserves any punishment he receives
allthingsuk
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by footygirl:
“And Hamilton would have still scored some points. Anyone know who the driver steward is today.

I feel for Lewis today, he was taken out unfairly - I would throw the book at Pastor for that”

Mika Salo is driver steward.
footygirl
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by dsweetenham:
“A dreadful pitstop, another slow day from Jenson and a car that even with Lewis in it was well off the pace of Vettel whilst not a horror show is certainly cause for concern.

It was a silly move from Maldonado but being ultra critical Lewis probably should of thought about the championship and let him (and Kimi) go without taking even more out of his tyres.

Even if they'd got through that incident unscathed you'd of expected Pastor to get past and you had Schumacher and Webber closing in behind. They were the drivers he should of been concerned about beating when it was clear his tyres were gone.”

Would he - just one lap left - we don't know that - Anyword on if Maldonado is going to face a punishment for what he did. Thew stewards have to be fair here. Maldonado was in the wrong
footygirl
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
“Mika Salo is driver steward.”

Mmmmm wonder which side of the fence he will be on- it looked reckless and dangerous, sorry but a race ban is the only way to go for me
Si_Crewe
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by kibblerok:
“I just hope the Maldonado incident doesn't detract McLaren from their awful performance in the pits.

They really need to up their game or shake off the air of complacency. This has cost Lewis a shed load of points and arguably today the race victory. He would have been out in front of Alonso and out of reach of Maldonado.”

Exactly.

Fact is that if things had gone according to plan Hamilton would have been in the lead and more able to protect his tyres rather than being forced to attack Alonso and defend from Kimmi.
coughthecat
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by Mythica:
“I don't see what difference it makes be it qualifying or race. Both result in cars on the track. Either inforce a rule for everything or not at all.”

The difference is that in qualifying, someone could go out and put in a super-quick time with just enough fuel to do the out and flying laps. They would then run out of fuel and abandon their car on the track. What happens to other drivers who're then on a quick lap? They'd have to slow down because of waved yellows! The session would then have to be delayed until the car was recovered.

The rules for qualifying and for the race are different are because the situations are different. We might not agree with the rules, but that's not a reason to punish a driver!
Si_Crewe
24-06-2012
Who is it that they're suggesting will be penalised for using their DRS during the safety-car?
Raikkonen or Shuey?

*EDIT*
Ah, Schuey, apparently.
footygirl
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Who is it that they're suggesting will be penalised for using their DRS during the safety-car?
Raikkonen or Shuey?”


So if they are going to punish Schumacher for that - surely they need to punish Maldonado for his reckless driving- more serious offence for me
allthingsuk
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by footygirl:
“Mmmmm wonder which side of the fence he will be on- it looked reckless and dangerous, sorry but a race ban is the only way to go for me”

I'd go for a 5 or 10 place grid penalty for Maldonado. But then again, he rammed into Perez in Monaco, Hamilton in Spa last year etc. He needs to learn some lesson about not using his car as a battering ram.

You could say Hamilton could have just let Maldonado go, because he was losing even more time defending from Maldonado when you had the charging Schumacher and Webber behind. I sensed an incident would happen when it was Maldonado behind.

Originally Posted by footygirl:
“I would guess Raikkonen - didn't he pass someone during the yellow flag period”

Was it Ricciardo he passed?
Mythica
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by coughthecat:
“The difference is that in qualifying, someone could go out and put in a super-quick time with just enough fuel to do the out and flying laps. They would then run out of fuel and abandon their car on the track. What happens to other drivers who're then on a quick lap? They'd have to slow down because of waved yellows! The session would then have to be delayed until the car was recovered.

The rules for qualifying and for the race are different are because the situations are different. We might not agree with the rules, but that's not a reason to punish a driver!”

The same could be said for the actual race though really. Will never agree with it.
dsweetenham
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by footygirl:
“Would he - just one lap left - we don't know that”

True we don't for certain but look at the races this year these tyres leave you with almost no hope.

Lewis had that massive lock up going in to the last corner when still ahead of Kimi and from Kimi's onboard camera we saw how Lewis had no traction and all the defence in the world couldn't keep Kimi behind.

Pastor was closing in on both of them so it's fair to say he was highly likely to have made the move stick at some point even with just one lap to go. Of course the rush of blood ruined both their races.
footygirl
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
“I'd go for a 5 or 10 place grid penalty for Maldonado. But then again, he rammed into Perez in Monaco, Hamilton in Spa last year etc. He needs to learn some lesson about not using his car as a battering ram.

You could say Hamilton could have just let Maldonado go, because he was losing even more time defending from Maldonado when you had the charging Schumacher and Webber behind. I sensed an incident would happen when it was Maldonado behind.



Was it Ricciardo he passed?”

Given that Maldonado should face a race ban for that then
crake
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by footygirl:
“Mmmmm wonder which side of the fence he will be on- it looked reckless and dangerous, sorry but a race ban is the only way to go for me”

Hamilton did a similar thing to Maldonado at Monaco and certainly didn't get a race ban.

Isn't there also a rule about drivers not replacing the steering wheel when the exit the car? If so, Hamilton could face punishment too.
allthingsuk
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Exactly.

Fact is that if things had gone according to plan Hamilton would have been in the lead and more able to protect his tyres rather than being forced to attack Alonso and defend from Kimmi.”

How long was that second pitstop? 14 seconds I think it was.

Originally Posted by crake:
“Hamilton did a similar thing to Maldonado at Monaco and certainly didn't get a race ban.

Isn't there also a rule about drivers not replacing the steering wheel when the exit the car? If so, Hamilton could face punishment too.”

I'd be inclined to say that'll be a reprimand if anything comes of it.
Si_Crewe
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
“I'd go for a 5 or 10 place grid penalty for Maldonado. But then again, he rammed into Perez in Monaco, Hamilton in Spa last year etc. He needs to learn some lesson about not using his car as a battering ram.”

They excluded Schumacher from an entire season for doing that.
Si_Crewe
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
“How long was that second pitstop? 14 seconds I think it was.”

Yep.
1st pitstop 2.9s. 2nd stop 14.1s.

To be fair, it wouldn't have given him an 11s lead cos it happened under the s/c but from the lead he might've been able to save his tyres better and, of course, Maldonado would have had to get past Kimmi and Alonso before he'd have been in a position to ram Hamilton.
allthingsuk
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“They excluded Schumacher from an entire season for doing that. ”

1997 was it? When he tried to take Villeneuve out to stop him from winning the championship in Jerez.

Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Yep.
1st pitstop 2.9s. 2nd stop 14.1s.”

So could you say they effectively lost 8-10 seconds in the pits. He could have won this race.
TheToonArmy
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by crake:
“Hamilton did a similar thing to Maldonado at Monaco and certainly didn't get a race ban.

Isn't there also a rule about drivers not replacing the steering wheel when the exit the car? If so, Hamilton could face punishment too.”

Did he, don't think he was four wheels off track then turned into his side.
allthingsuk
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by TheToonArmy:
“Did he, don't think he was four wheels off track then turned into his side.”

In the case of Monaco, Hamilton was on the inside, Maldonado turned in, contact and Maldonado in the barrier. Maldonado could have yielded.
footygirl
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by dsweetenham:
“True we don't for certain but look at the races this year these tyres leave you with almost no hope.

Lewis had that massive lock up going in to the last corner when still ahead of Kimi and from Kimi's onboard camera we saw how Lewis had no traction and all the defence in the world couldn't keep Kimi behind.

Pastor was closing in on both of them so it's fair to say he was highly likely to have made the move stick at some point even with just one lap to go. Of course the rush of blood ruined both their races.”

highly likely doesn't come into it here. Fact is his behaviour was stupid
footygirl
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
“1997 was it? When he tried to take Villeneuve out to stop him from winning the championship in Jerez.



So could you say they effectively lost 8-10 seconds in the pits. He could have won this race.”

Well I would be quite happy to see Maldonado banned for the rest of the season
footygirl
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
“How long was that second pitstop? 14 seconds I think it was.



I'd be inclined to say that'll be a reprimand if anything comes of it.”

What good is a reprimand - his driving was more akin to what you see at the dodgems. Sorry but he deserves to be banned or least suspended for a race
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