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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 7)
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Forza Ferrari
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by Mythica:
“I still do get the feeling you would be having one hell of a go at Hamilton if he was Maldonado in this instance”

OK I don't mind if you think that.

Originally Posted by Mythica:
“ I get that from just reading a few of your posts and your name.”

Prejudice much?
manforktorch
24-06-2012
John Eric Verne seems to think Heiki's wing gave him the puncture, from what I saw it was a wheel to wheel contact and the damage was caused by the alloys breaking.
TheToonArmy
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“To be honest, I don't think anybody else here is interested what you think.”

I don't, I just ignore the blatant trolling
Mythica
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“OK I don't mind if you think that.



Prejudice much?”

Not really, no. Not when you post things such as "stupid Lewis" Firstly, there is nothing stupid about racing on the racing line trying to defened your position for points. In hidnsight, it wasn't the best option, but then again, we have hindsight to fall back on, racing drivers don't.

Secondly, it's akin to a Liverpool fan calling Manchester United crap, basically you don't like Hamilton, never will and don't have a good word to say about him. That's how your posts come across, if you can prove otherwise, I will gadly appologise.
Matt35
24-06-2012
Im amazed that some believe lewis was at fault. He`s hardly gonna yield on the corner and why didn`t maldonado yield. He didn`t need to take lewis at that point. with another 2 laps to pass him and lewis going backwards, there was plenty of time. Maldonado should have realised he wasn`t gonna make the corner, cut across it and let lewis stay in front and then wait until a better chance comes. even the commentators warned against maldonado trying something reckless like he`s done in the past. clearly he`s not learnt anything. i`d be shocked if he doesn`t receive at least a 5 place grid drop.
footygirl
24-06-2012
Any word on what punishment Maldonado has received and IMO deserves
coughthecat
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by manforktorch:
“John Eric Verne seems to think Heiki's wing gave him the puncture, from what I saw it was a wheel to wheel contact and the damage was caused by the alloys breaking.”

Forget Maldonado ... Vergne's move on Heikki had to be the most reckless move of the day. Vergne claims he was ahead and started to turn into the corner, but it was half-way down the straight and the next corner was a right-hander so the racing line was to the left. Why would he move to the right??

I imagine Charlie will be having a quiet word with him about shedding vast amounts of carbon fibre on the track while attempting to get back to the pits at breakneck speed! That incident changed the whole nature of the race as it led directly to the Safety Car and the ensuing pit-stops.
Forza Ferrari
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by Mythica:
“Not really, no.”

I still think you are.
allthingsuk
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by Matt35:
“Im amazed that some believe lewis was at fault. He`s hardly gonna yield on the corner and why didn`t maldonado yield. He didn`t need to take lewis at that point. with another 2 laps to pass him and lewis going backwards, there was plenty of time. Maldonado should have realised he wasn`t gonna make the corner, cut across it and let lewis stay in front and then wait until a better chance comes. even the commentators warned against maldonado trying something reckless like he`s done in the past. clearly he`s not learnt anything. i`d be shocked if he doesn`t receive at least a 5 place grid drop.”

Agreed. Voice of common sense here.

Anyone seen this: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formul...ldonado-930019

Frankly, I'm amazed at how Maldonado can say that.
Forza Ferrari
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by Matt35:
“Im amazed that some believe lewis was at fault.”

Well the thing to me is that everybody brings up that Maldo is rejoining the track. But if you look at it the other way round the Williams is right at the edge of the track yet Lewis still turns left towards it and has a collision. Why not use some of the track and not the very edge were another car is. If Lewis had done this then he could have been round the corner and ahead of Maldo who will struggle with the tight angle. So Lewis has options open to him which could have avoided the collision.
footygirl
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
“Agreed. Voice of common sense here.

Anyone seen this: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formul...ldonado-930019

Frankly, I'm amazed at how Maldonado can say that.”

I think it borders on the delusional
coughthecat
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by footygirl:
“I think it borders on the delusional”

Since when did an F1 driver ever admit a crash was his fault?

Okay, there may have been one or two exceptions, but blaming the other guy is par for the course ... regardless of how ridiculous it sounds!
Forza Ferrari
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
“Agreed. Voice of common sense here.

Anyone seen this: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formul...ldonado-930019

Frankly, I'm amazed at how Maldonado can say that.”

I think Maldonado presents a valid view he was not off the track because he choose to be Lewis left no racing room.

All Lewis has to say is I don’t remember what happened so it’s hard to not just accept what Maldonado has to say.

The absent mindedness of Lewis with respect to what happened would be consistent with inattention at the time.
footygirl
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by coughthecat:
“Since when did an F1 driver ever admit a crash was his fault?

Okay, there may have been one or two exceptions, but blaming the other guy is par for the course ... regardless of how ridiculous it sounds!”

And another reason for me to have no respect for him whatsoever
footygirl
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“I think Maldonado presents a valid view he was not off the track because he choose to be Lewis left no racing room.

All Lewis has to say is I don’t remember what happened so it’s hard to not just accept what Maldonado has to say.

The absent mindedness of Lewis with respect to what happened would be consistent with inattention at the time.”

You have got to be kidding - I wouldn't let him off the hook if he did that to me. I may well have done what Mansell once did with Senna(Ayrton) - think it was a bit of a discussion
Woodentop
24-06-2012
The thing is that Hamilton in the cold light of day will undoubtedly accept that the impetuous and determined almost aggressive driving he used to regularly demonstrate, is now comnonplace in those coming along after him. He does remain determined but is curbing the all out or nout approach of the past and even is clearly being counselled to avoid outrage in interviews.

He's learnt to draw breath and consider position and when and how to race hard, but the pit stop screwed him and his annoyance may have still been simmering, resulting in a refusal to concede, especially to someone he felt he should never been racing with.
footygirl
24-06-2012
I still think Maldonado needs to be taught a lesson by the stewards, and the only way to do that is a race ban/back of grid penalty for Silverstone
chopoff
24-06-2012
You have to re-join the race track safely. It is a simple rule.

Regardless of how you ended up off the track, you must re-join with care.

Maldonado didn't. You can debate the reasoning behind him being off the circuit if you wish, but the crash happened as a result of him re-joining unsafely.
skimminstones
24-06-2012
20 second penalty for maldonado so he finishes 12th
maninthequeue
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by skimminstones:
“20 second penalty for maldonado so he finishes 12th”

Indeed, Senna finishes 10th.

He was found guilty of:

20.2 Drivers must use the track at all times. For the avoidance of doubt the white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not.
A driver will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with the track.
Should a car leave the track the driver may rejoin, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any advantage.
coughthecat
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by skimminstones:
“20 second penalty for maldonado so he finishes 12th”

Seems fair. Anyone doing that during the race would have been given a drive-through.
footygirl
24-06-2012
Pathetic- a slap on the wrist. I think the stewards have bottled it
Forza Ferrari
24-06-2012
Glad Maldo isn’t affected at the next race. A 50/50 and both drivers get no points so it seems fair.
footygirl
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“Glad Maldo isn’t affected at the next race. A 50/50 and both drivers get no points so it seems fair.”

Will you ever admit you are wrong
maninthequeue
24-06-2012
Originally Posted by footygirl:
“Pathetic- a slap on the wrist. I think the stewards have bottled it”

Not really.

I'm an F1 fan who has been watching the sport since my age was in single digits to watch the likes of James Hunt, Niki Lauda, Jody Scheckter, Alan Jones & Nico Rosberg's dad.

There have been a number of occasions when Lewis Hamilton has driven like Ayrton Senna .... at his red mist worst, but despite the views of a certain Ferrari Fanatic embarrassing himself in this thread, that was certainly not the case today where he was very much the innocent party.

Maldonaldo's clear offence merited a drive through penalty, nothing more & nothing less. If he had taken a drive through penalty then he would have lost circa 20 seconds of time. As there was not time to enact that punishment during the race, then the equivalent punishment was added to the end of his race time.

His offence was certainly not as bad as Vergne's reckless driving earlier in the race which resulted in the safety car coming out for a lengthy period who deservedly got a 10 place grid penalty & a 25K fine in time for Silverstone.
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