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Maldonaldo's clear offence merited a drive through penalty, nothing more & nothing less. If he had taken a drive through penalty then he would have lost circa 20 seconds of time. As there was not time to enact that punishment during the race, then the equivalent punishment was added to the end of his race time.
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IYou only have to look at his tantrum getting out of the car to see he still needs to mature at as a driver.
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Will you ever admit you are wrong
Especial when Charlie Whiting says it is not permitted to run to the white line in defence if the other car is alongside and this is what Lewis did. Clearly article 20.2 was not applied when Lewis was off track at Bahrain and rejoined the track ahead of Nico Rosberg. Worth noting that the Penalty is applied under article 20 and not article 16 which relates to incidents. As such the stewards decision does not appear to state that Maldo caused a collision just rejoined the track in the incorrect manner. |
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Good to see Forza Ferrari providing the comedy as usual.
50/50. Haha! Good one!
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I think Maldonado presents a valid view he was not off the track because he choose to be Lewis left no racing room.
All Lewis has to say is I don’t remember what happened so it’s hard to not just accept what Maldonado has to say. The absent mindedness of Lewis with respect to what happened would be consistent with inattention at the time. Quote:
Well I think this call from the stewards is a bit of a stretch and quite inconsistent as cars do not always come back on to the track in a slow controlled manner any time they are pushed over the white line. They have treated it as if he has jumped a chicane or coming back from being far of the track. This was not the case.
Especial when Charlie Whiting says it is not permitted to run to the white line in defence if the other car is alongside and this is what Lewis did. Clearly article 20.2 was not applied when Lewis was off track at Bahrain and rejoined the track ahead of Nico Rosberg. Worth noting that the Penalty is applied under article 20 and not article 16 which relates to incidents. As such the stewards decision does not appear to state that Maldo caused a collision just rejoined the track in the incorrect manner. |
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Doesn't really address the fact that he's been guilty of this sort of thing on several occasions.
It's also very easy to point to previous incidents, but there are quite a few drivers out there with "form"! If you're a fan, they're "daring" and "a true racer" ... if you're not, they're "reckless" and "dangerous". |
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The stewards will only take previous incidents into account if the driver has been officially warned for his behaviour. If that's not the case, they will review each incident objectively, regardless of the drivers involved. If this had been on lap 15 and had involved Pic and Kobayashi (a bit of an aggressive driver himself) I would have expected a drive-through penalty, and I doubt we'd even be having this discussion!
It's also very easy to point to previous incidents, but there are quite a few drivers out there with "form"! If you're a fan, they're "daring" and "a true racer" ... if you're not, they're "reckless" and "dangerous". |
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The end result is another race that Lewis finishes in the wall. It’s up to him if he wants to avoid such things happening. I’m quite happy for Lewis to chalk up the DNFs and leave the points finishes, podiums and the wins for the other drivers.
We have a great win for Alonso back on top of the drivers’ championship and a podium for Michael. Good times. |
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He HAS been reprimanded twice before (at least) for deliberately ramming another car.
I'm only aware of one reprimand for Maldonado this season ... and that was for holding up Heikki during qualifying in China. An official warning is a different matter and that's when the driver's previous issues will be taken into consideration. Essentially the driver will be on probabtion and any further infringements will incur a penalty. I'm not aware that Maldonado has been officially warned. |
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I think I have to eat my words (or my post from several pages back), that was an insanely exciting GP - the 2nd half at least. Alonso drove magnificently, but I think Grosjean was so unlucky, he deserved a proper chance to race for a win. Enjoyed seeing Schumacher get a podium again as well, quite funny how he didn't know it until he crossed the line ![]() Quote:
Agreed. I'd say if it wasn't for pitstop strategy, pitstop errors, race incidents like today, Hamilton could be close to leading this championship. .
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Then towards the end stupid Lewis driving without his brain and toffee for tyres won’t let other drivers pass him. Despite how inevitable it is that he will be passed Lewis preffers to crash with the Williams and leave the podium for Michael. Good demonstration from McLaren that the best way to pick up Lewis’s car is with a big yellow JCB..
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Worth noting that the Penalty is applied under article 20 and not article 16 which relates to incidents. As such the stewards decision does not appear to state that Maldo caused a collision just rejoined the track in the incorrect manner.
He re-joined by driving into another car, which is why it was an un-safe re-joining of the track. If he had not have driven into another car, it would have been a safe re-join and he would not have received a penalty. The ONLY reason Lewis ended up into the wall was because Maldonado drove into him as he was re-joining the track. How you can say that is NOT Pastor's fault is beyond me. |
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While I agree PM was at fault I am not convinced LH did everything he could or should to have avoided the situation happening and getting the best race result he could have hoped for from that position in the race and with his tyres the way they were. Bad racing from PM but poor race management from LH.
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While I agree PM was at fault I am not convinced LH did everything he could or should to have avoided the situation happening and getting the best race result he could have hoped for from that position in the race and with his tyres the way they were. Bad racing from PM but bad race management from LH.
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He re-joined by driving into another car, which is why it was an un-safe re-joining of the track. |
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You really are delusional.
He re-joined by driving into another car, which is why it was an un-safe re-joining of the track. If he had not have driven into another car, it would have been a safe re-join and he would not have received a penalty. The ONLY reason Lewis ended up into the wall was because Maldonado drove into him as he was re-joining the track. How you can say that is NOT Pastor's fault is beyond me. He has clearly shown his bias and shown him self up on this forum today with his childish biased views. |
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The other car was moving to and hit him as much as he hit it. As the car rejoining PM get the blame but this is not say that Lewis could not have avoided him.
As for saying Lewis showed immaturity, he didn't. He showed frustration at some other car shunting him into the wall, causing him to have zero points in a championship that looks like it'll probably go down to the wire and where every point will be desperately needed. What would you have liked, for him to jump out and do a Frankie Dettori jump? Of course he is going to throw the wheel away. The maturity is judged by actions in front of the camera afterwards. You have Pastor claiming it wasn't his fault blaming the other driver, and then Lewis ignoring the question and deciding to not cast blame. He knows after having done so before that there is little point to it and has matured. Your bum chum Pastor, has yet to learn that. |
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So under forza's logic in spa 08 when Kimi squeezed Lewis, he should have driven off track then straight back on and taken Kimi out, makes perfect sense now and it would have gotten rid of that endless discussion on that incident after the race.
It's was kimi's fault for " driving without a brain " and being reckless. Instead, Lewis made the right decision and drove off and rejoined safely, without taking anybody out. |
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So under forza's logic in spa 08 when Kimi squeezed Lewis, he should have driven off track then straight back on and taken Kimi out, makes perfect sense now and it would have gotten rid of that endless discussion on that incident after the race.
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I never knew there was any controversy about that one!
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Just a thought that there seem to be much less controversy raging over stewards decisions in the last couple of season since they have added an ex-driver as adviser.
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Yeah Lewis has always had a flaw that he drives as if cars around him are not there and he has paid the price for it again.
BTW ToonArmy came up with a great example. Are you going to suggest that former bum chum Ferrari driver Kimi was at fault for not giving Hamilton space in Spa 08 at the Bus Stop chicane? He had the racing line and did what anyone else would have done with a brain. Hamilton isn't the one with the brain here. What if for example it was Alonso in the same situation and he had the racing line and had the same contact with Maldonado? Knowing your pro-Ferrari bias, you would have said Alonso was not to blame. By your logic that Hamilton was driving without a brain, then Alonso would have been driving without a brain if the same happened to him. However, I still think Lewis could have just let PM take the inside line and just let him go instead of fighting for a dead position that was never going to be Lewis's at the end of the race. He would have lost more time defending as well. But another thought. Hamilton was ahead at the point of collision. It's not like they were side by side. Maldonado looked like he T-boned Hamilton. |
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Just a thought that there seem to be much less controversy raging over stewards decisions in the last couple of season since they have added an ex-driver as adviser.
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Just a thought that there seem to be much less controversy raging over stewards decisions in the last couple of season since they have added an ex-driver as adviser.
![]() There's always been controversy, and there always will be, but in my opinion it got absolutely out of hand a few years ago with all the conspiracy theory nonsense. Thankfully, things have settled down a bit.
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However, I still think Lewis could have just let PM take the inside line and just let him go instead of fighting for a dead position that was never going to be Lewis's at the end of the race. He would have lost more time defending as well. |
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Yes what I have been saying all along. Or he could have left him room to come back on track and may be stayed ahead for half a lap more.
You keep denying that Pastor caused the accident, but how else did Lewis end up in the wall? Why don't you take a drive to your nearest dual carriageway, attempt to join it and crash into a car on the inside lane as you join. Let me know whose fault the police think it is and who had right of way. |
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