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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 7)
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BinaryDad
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by ACU:
“Yes I am positive.

Ferrari isnt brilliant on the tyres, well not at the start of the season. Was in the 3rd or 4th race of the season, where Alonso lost about 4 or 5 places on the last but one lap, because his tyres were shot to pieces?

The Ferrari was a dog to drive, at the beginning of the season. Everyone said so, it was no secret. They may have benefited from unpredictable conditions, but thats life. The Mclaren has been better than the Ferrari all season, its now the best car on the grid. I dont think anyone, but you (?), would deny this. You are the one that seems to be ignorant of facts. You want to ignore facts, so you see Hamilton in a better light. ”

No, you;re dealing in sweeping statements that don't bear up. The Ferrari was pretty kind on its tires, much like the Sauber because....they share the same engine! The characteristics of the engine at the rev range on corner exists meant that the rear tires didn't degrade as much.

I've no doubt that the car as a whole had sone handling issues, which were quickly sorted when the season hit Europe. But the important thing this season, is how easy the cars are on their tires, and the Ferrari and Reanult powered cars were VERY good.

Look...you do realise that you're actually talking to somebody who has spent a large portion of the last 14 years working on race car simulations for video games and real world applications. Right? While I'm no genius, I'm also no slop when it comes to working out what's going on with the handling of a race car.

As it happens, tire dynamics are one of my special fields in that respect, along with power trains.

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“Hamilton has done well, but has made some very stupid/glaring errors, which Alonso hasnt and wouldnt make. As I have said in the past, Hamilton hasnt got the brains. For him it seems to be an all or nothing attitude, whereas Alonso seems to be a lot smarter in this instance. The Maldonado/Hamilton incident, been done to death in this forum, a smart driver would have let Maldonado past, Hamilton didnt. Hamilton chose the wrong setup for Spa, not Mclaren. He then had a strop when Button beat him in quali and posted their telemetry on twitter. Mclaren have made mistakes during the season. However Ferrari have made mistakes by producing a dog of a car at the start of the season.

Button has had a shocker of a season, yet he is only 23 points behind Hamilton. Doesnt say that much about Hamilton, and his amazing ability to get the most out of a car.

Dont get me wrong Hamilton is a very good driver. However he does need to mature quite a bit and improve his skill, before he can be considered a great.”

There's no point in discussing this with you any further. If you can happily ignore the massive amount of errors from the operation side of things for Hamilton this season, as well as DNF's that were down to other drivers or mechanical issues then I can only conclude you're being ignorant on purpose.

Remember Spain this year? Hamilton was half a second faster than anybody else, but Mclaren forgot to put in enough fuel and was sent to the back of the grid. The emount of fuel missing was worth something like one to two tenths in terms of pace.

After coming from the back and BEATING his team mate who started in 8th place, don't you think that he could have easily won that race? But he couldn't because of his TEAM's mess up.

Hell, you can't even get the facts about Spa right. The engineers had a vote on which wing to use, and Hamilton just had to go with it. The majority said it would be faster, or as fast as the new wing. Only it wasn't, which was what the twitter fiasco was all about.

With only one practice session, there wasn't any chance to get the right setup. The only reason Button was as fast as he was, is because as Sam Michaels had said; they took a massive guess/gamble on setup and it was good enough that they won the race.

But hey, let's let some simple facts get in the way of your biased views.
R410
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“Shock new McLaren have discriminated against Paul Di Resta based on his nationality.

http://www.forumula1.com/news/nation...-mclaren-seat/

Martin Whitmarsh openly admits it.



Sad that people won't get a chance based on what country they are from. Normally in the work place this would be illegal but I guess McLaren will get away with it.”

Shock horror. McLaren wants to move away from the all-British team it has become. There is nothing discriminatory about it. Stop trying to make non-stories into something.
Pendragon579
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by BinaryDad:
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Remember Spain this year? Hamilton was half a second faster than anybody else, but Mclaren forgot to put in enough fuel and was sent to the back of the grid. The emount of fuel missing was worth something like one to two tenths in terms of pace.

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Somehow I don't think they 'forgot' about the fuel. More likely they were caught out not running enough fuel because it was worth those few tenths. Remember Liegate?
TheToonArmy
02-10-2012
Jenson has a 5 place grid penalty for Japan, Mclaren has found the same issue in Jensons gearbox that forced Lewis out of the Singapore gp

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103002
Si_Crewe
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by Pendragon579:
“Somehow I don't think they 'forgot' about the fuel. More likely they were caught out not running enough fuel because it was worth those few tenths. Remember Liegate? ”

Speaking as a Hamilton fan and, as a result, an accidental McLaren fan, I must say that I suspect that you're right.

They were almost certainly deliberately marginal about the fuel they put in the car and, that being the case, they deserved a penalty for it.

Okay, so they probably surprised themselves with their pace and realised they needn't have bothered with any shenanigans but there was nothing to stop them fueling the car properly and doing a run to find out if the extra tenth of a second was really that necessary.
Si_Crewe
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by TheToonArmy:
“Jenson has a 5 place grid penalty for Japan, Mclaren has found the same issue in Jensons gearbox that forced Lewis out of the Singapore gp

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103002”

Was Hamilton driving both cars, like a pair of giant rollerskates or something, when he touched the foam-padded wall and "caused" these gearbox failures?
TheToonArmy
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Was Hamilton driving both cars, like a pair of giant rollerskates or something, when he touched the foam-padded wall and "caused" these gearbox failures? ”

Maybe he was

I thought you would pick up on that.

Or as somebody has said on another forum, Mclaren sabotaged the wrong car for this weekend
Forza Ferrari
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by R410:
“Shock horror. McLaren wants to move away from the all-British team it has become. There is nothing discriminatory about it. Stop trying to make non-stories into something.”

I wonder how many other teams do this decide what nationality they wont before picking the driver.

It seams a bit murky drivers getting left out because of their nationality.

I'm glad the press are picking up on this it's dodgy ground for the sport.
Assa2
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“I wonder how many other teams do this decide what nationality they wont before picking the driver.

It seams a bit murky drivers getting left out because of their nationality.

I'm glad the press are picking up on this it's dodgy ground for the sport.”

Mercedes. Ligier, Renault & Ferrari all used to give drives to 'home nation' drivers where ever possible but the dirth of good French and Italian drivers in the last 20 years has put pay to that. In fact I suspect most teams consider the nationality of prospective drivers and the associated marketing & sponsorship opportunities. It would be a bit daft not to and frankly I see no problem what-so-ever in Mclaren doing it although I think it's a bit of a PR own-goal to admit it. It's certainly no worse then selecting a driver based on the size of their bank balance.
snaithg
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by snaithg:
“I'm sorry if this has already been covered, but can someone please tell me which broadcaster(s) is/are covering F1 next season.

Will the coverage be the same as this season with Sky broadcasting everything "Live" and the BBC showing a mix of "Live" and "Highlights" or has Sky got exclusive access?

Thanks in advance!

Graham.”

BUMP! Anyone?
ACU
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by BinaryDad:
“No, you;re dealing in sweeping statements that don't bear up. The Ferrari was pretty kind on its tires, much like the Sauber because....they share the same engine! The characteristics of the engine at the rev range on corner exists meant that the rear tires didn't degrade as much.

I've no doubt that the car as a whole had sone handling issues, which were quickly sorted when the season hit Europe. But the important thing this season, is how easy the cars are on their tires, and the Ferrari and Reanult powered cars were VERY good.”

I am on about the overall performance of the car, not one specific area. Overall the Mclaren has been better than the Ferrari. Ferrari had a handling problem as well as a major performance problem. Yes they have sorted out some of their problems, they have moved forward since the start of th season, as have all/most of the other teams. The handling of a car as well as the exhausts also have an impact on tyre wear, as I am sure you well know.


Originally Posted by BinaryDad:
“There's no point in discussing this with you any further. If you can happily ignore the massive amount of errors from the operation side of things for Hamilton this season, as well as DNF's that were down to other drivers or mechanical issues then I can only conclude you're being ignorant on purpose.

Remember Spain this year? Hamilton was half a second faster than anybody else, but Mclaren forgot to put in enough fuel and was sent to the back of the grid. The emount of fuel missing was worth something like one to two tenths in terms of pace.

After coming from the back and BEATING his team mate who started in 8th place, don't you think that he could have easily won that race? But he couldn't because of his TEAM's mess up.

Hell, you can't even get the facts about Spa right. The engineers had a vote on which wing to use, and Hamilton just had to go with it. The majority said it would be faster, or as fast as the new wing. Only it wasn't, which was what the twitter fiasco was all about.

With only one practice session, there wasn't any chance to get the right setup. The only reason Button was as fast as he was, is because as Sam Michaels had said; they took a massive guess/gamble on setup and it was good enough that they won the race.

But hey, let's let some simple facts get in the way of your biased views.”

I am not ignoring the team errors...they happen. Like I said Ferrari made the biggest team error by producing an under-performing car for the start of this season. Yes Mclaren have made mistakes, I havent said otherwise.

As for the Spa wing choice, Hamilton was involved in the vote/discussion that happened. He was not happy with the wing after the practice session 3, so he along with engineers
decided to change it. However, if Hamilton came back after FP3 and said he was happy with the wing, then you can bet they wouldnt have changed it. Your other 'facts' about Spa are also incorrect. Have a read of this article which explains the difference in the wings.

Yep Mclaren only had one practice session due to the weather, but guess what, it was the same for all the other teams. Ferrari, RB, Lotus etc all had one practice session.

As for biased views, I accept that I am not pro Hamilton, and I may not give Hamilton the benefit of doubt, I accept that. The problem with you is that you think you are not biased, and that Hamiltons problems are caused by someone else.

If you dont want to discuss further, fine...no skin of my nose.
ACU
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by snaithg:
“BUMP! Anyone?”

I believe that the current BBC package is for 7 years. So for six more season they will have a mix of live and highlights.
R410
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by snaithg:
“BUMP! Anyone?”

Google would be your friend in this situation.

But this current situation with BBC broadcasting half of the races live and the other half as highlights, and Sky Sports howing all of the races live behind their pay wall is set to run until 2018, that is when the contract ends.
The only thing that is likely to change is that Sky Sports F1 will be a Sky Sports pack exclusive, no HD pack availability as they give now.
ACU
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by R410:
“Google would be your friend in this situation.

But this current situation with BBC broadcasting half of the races live and the other half as highlights, and Sky Sports howing all of the races live behind their pay wall is set to run until 2018, that is when the contract ends.
The only thing that is likely to change is that Sky Sports F1 will be a Sky Sports pack exclusive, no HD pack availability as they give now.”

It wouldnt surprise me if Sky did move the F1 channel to their sports pack. Its the kind of thing they would do.

However they would have to look at how many people took up the HD subscription to get the F1 channel. They would lose these subscribers if it went sky sports only. How many people would subscribe to sky sports just to get the F1 channel? Not many I would think. Its all down to the numbers.

I do however feel that after the 7 year deal is up, sky wont offer the BBC any F1. So the only way to watch F1 would be through sky.
snaithg
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by ACU:
“I believe that the current BBC package is for 7 years. So for six more season they will have a mix of live and highlights.”

Thanks ACU,

Yes you are correct, I have just performed another search and it would appear that the BBC renegotiated the 5 year exclusive deal which ended next year into a 7 year deal of mixed BBC/Sky coverage as per this season.

Link

Graham.
snaithg
02-10-2012
Thanks ACU and R410


Graham.
Si_Crewe
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by snaithg:
“Thanks ACU,

Yes you are correct, I have just performed another search and it would appear that the BBC renegotiated the 5 year exclusive deal which ended next year into a 7 year deal of mixed BBC/Sky coverage as per this season.

Link

Graham.”

FWIW, there's a separate thread HERE which covers the broadcasting aspects of F1.

In this thread we mostly just argue about whether Lewis Hamilton eats babies or not.
ACU
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“FWIW, there's a separate thread HERE which covers the broadcasting aspects of F1.

In this thread we mostly just argue about whether Lewis Hamilton eats babies or not. ”

Unless hes a vegetarian, I would say he does. I am sure hes eat lamb
Assa2
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by ACU:
“Unless hes a vegetarian, I would say he does. I am sure hes eat lamb ”

Spoiler
I predict the next person will comment about LH prefering to eat Pussy Cats
ACU
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by Assa2:
“
Spoiler
I predict the next person will comment about LH prefering to eat Pussy Cats
”

very good..annoyed I missed something that obvious.
R410
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by ACU:
“It wouldnt surprise me if Sky did move the F1 channel to their sports pack. Its the kind of thing they would do.

However they would have to look at how many people took up the HD subscription to get the F1 channel. They would lose these subscribers if it went sky sports only. How many people would subscribe to sky sports just to get the F1 channel? Not many I would think. Its all down to the numbers.

I do however feel that after the 7 year deal is up, sky wont offer the BBC any F1. So the only way to watch F1 would be through sky.”

They would just go down the "it only costs £10 more" route.
Sky do not care about the amount of viewers, just the money they get.

Originally Posted by ACU:
“Unless hes a vegetarian, I would say he does. I am sure hes eat lamb ”

I personally think he's more of 'feline' person myself.

Edit: - Beaten to that joke, damn spoiler tags
Assa2
02-10-2012
JB's 5 place grid penatly has got me wondering. Are there any stats on how many gearbox change penalties each driver/team has had this season? I'd be interested to see who's had the most and least and work out if there's any sort of strategy going on i.e. some teams risking reliability for improved performance.

I can't find a table anywhere, only a report on another website that prior to Singapore there had been 16 penalties so far this season (same as for entire 2011) and that Maldonado has had 3, Perez, Rosberg & Webber 2 each. I wonder why the number of penalties is higher this season?
Si_Crewe
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by Assa2:
“I can't find a table anywhere, only a report on another website that prior to Singapore there had been 16 penalties so far this season (same as for entire 2011) and that Maldonado has had 3, Perez, Rosberg & Webber 2 each. I wonder why the number of penalties is higher this season?”

Wild stab but perhaps it's something to do with the reduced rear grip this year?

They run variable slip differentials and while they're obviously designed to handle a lot of power they probably don't like being abused.
Going sideways, rather than forwards, with disproportionate amounts of torque going through one wheel, might be taking a toll.

No idea if that's the case of if there's some entirely different reason (are they using fewer gearboxes this year?) but it was just something that sprang to mind.
I ruined a scooby gearbox by driving it in the snow with the diff' locked.
It slid on ice, one wheel suddenly gripped, there was a big "clonk" and I had to walk the rest of the way to work.
HungerCult
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by BinaryDad:
“No, you;re dealing in sweeping statements that don't bear up. The Ferrari was pretty kind on its tires, much like the Sauber because....they share the same engine! The characteristics of the engine at the rev range on corner exists meant that the rear tires didn't degrade as much.

I've no doubt that the car as a whole had sone handling issues, which were quickly sorted when the season hit Europe. But the important thing this season, is how easy the cars are on their tires, and the Ferrari and Reanult powered cars were VERY good.

Look...you do realise that you're actually talking to somebody who has spent a large portion of the last 14 years working on race car simulations for video games and real world applications. Right? While I'm no genius, I'm also no slop when it comes to working out what's going on with the handling of a race car.

As it happens, tire dynamics are one of my special fields in that respect, along with power trains.



There's no point in discussing this with you any further. If you can happily ignore the massive amount of errors from the operation side of things for Hamilton this season, as well as DNF's that were down to other drivers or mechanical issues then I can only conclude you're being ignorant on purpose.

Remember Spain this year? Hamilton was half a second faster than anybody else, but Mclaren forgot to put in enough fuel and was sent to the back of the grid. The emount of fuel missing was worth something like one to two tenths in terms of pace.

After coming from the back and BEATING his team mate who started in 8th place, don't you think that he could have easily won that race? But he couldn't because of his TEAM's mess up.

Hell, you can't even get the facts about Spa right. The engineers had a vote on which wing to use, and Hamilton just had to go with it. The majority said it would be faster, or as fast as the new wing. Only it wasn't, which was what the twitter fiasco was all about.

With only one practice session, there wasn't any chance to get the right setup. The only reason Button was as fast as he was, is because as Sam Michaels had said; they took a massive guess/gamble on setup and it was good enough that they won the race.

But hey, let's let some simple facts get in the way of your biased views.”

So whenever Hamilton doesn't win it's down to bad luck, and whenever Button wins it's down to good luck.
Makes you wonder why McLaren are paying Button 10 million a year for being such a useless shit.
BinaryDad
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by HungerCult:
“So whenever Hamilton doesn't win it's down to bad luck, and whenever Button wins it's down to good luck.”

That's not what I said at all. Mind you, it seems to be what YOU think is the case, since this is your interpretation.

Originally Posted by HungerCult:
“ Makes you wonder why McLaren are paying Button 10 million a year for being such a useless shit.”

Given how temperamental Button's performances are, and how he has a very narrow operational window, I wonder why they employed him at all.

Hell, the guy has admitted that in order to beat Lewis, he needs to have a really great day at the same time as Lewis has had a really bad one. It's right there, in print.

If he can admit to that, why can't you lot?
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