A perfect example.

I still think Len's 'You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs' may come back to haunt him.

makes a change from Anton bashing (And Bruce bashing)
I remember when this forum was nice, it even had a pink background it was so fluffy

hey ho

I'm basing my judgement on the fact that he wasn't at the bottom of the leaderboard until week 5.

I look at from a kinda different angle
Given that before JS we had had Chris Parker and Julian Clary in the final and also Fiona Phillips and even Peter Schmeichel making it further than their ability would suggest, just why did JS going on a week or 2 over his ability make the difference. He did 7 dances, and for 3 of those he wasn't bottom of the judges leaderboard.

For me, series 6 as a whole was the most bad tempered series of all and the JS situation was just a small part of the overall. Granted for a week it took on epic proportions, but I think it was just the middle part of a tetchy whole - for which I hold the dance off responsible. Voting to 'put one over on the judges' by keeping the lowest marked out the bottom 2 meant the ones the judges had taken a bit of a shine to found themselves towards the bottom and being kept more than their seeming popularity would agree with just kept the whole saga going right up to the very end.

People say the board has changed this year, but honestly it has nothing on series 6 when it was a minefileld out there!



I do sometimes wonder how James would have fared if Georgina had been his second partner rather than his first. Brendan was lucky, really, that he had Sarah in his second series when the goodwill he had from his whole series one story was still fresh. James came into a similar sort of partnership cold and those first impressions count.

Brendan is fine...

Can't stand James, never have, never will do.

*applause*


It still astounds me how many people on here believe everything they see on TV, and are very, very quick to personally judge people they've never met.

I don't agree with everything James has said on Strictly, but I have met him a couple of times and found him to be very friendly and not at all arrogant.

If it is a persona for tv then he's not really doing a good job, its one thing being a pantomime villain its another coming across as a self absorbed idiot.

It might be better for him and his partner if he was to be himself, that is of course if he is so delightful away from the cameras, as is being suggested.

Just a thought.

I am sure everyone has been given their brief and James has toned it down over the years but it does not alter the fact that he comes across as conceited and someone who cannot control his emotions. He behaved very unprofessionally when he slagged off John Sargeant on prime time TV, was unpleasant to Georgina and so on and so forth. May be he is a very charming man but that is not how he comes over on the screen. I do not believe everything I read in the papers or see on television and if Strictly want James to do the bad boy image well - they should send him on an acting course or get Craig to give him lessons. When Craig is interviewed he is charming - unfortunately James Jordan is quite the reverse when he loses it and that is damaging and people have memories.

I do think James was out to prove himself that first series with Georgina and her poor attitude was exactly what he didn't need, so that may have made things worse. I dread to think what would have happened it Brendan had been paired with Georgina.

For me series 6 is there worst series we've seen and this board was bedlam - I think that's when I bought a tin hat! But my thoughts are that back then, you could have a good old argument that may have got pretty heated, but there was less sheer nastiness and personal attacks. I'm not saying that kind of thing didn't happen, just that it happened less than it does now and perhaps also later into a discussion, rather than near the start of a thread. I may be looking back wearing rose tinted glasses, but the balance seems to have tipped in favour of nasty and/or personal comments instead of a heated discussion. Another factor is that back in series 6, personally I think the Mods proactively moderated the board and stepped in when things were getting out of hand on a thread. Now I'd say unless lots of alerts are made, the Mods are far less likely to get involved on threads and that allows things to be posted now that would not have been permitted 3 years ago.

I understand why you mention celebs like Chris, Julian, Fiona and Peter along side John, but to me John was a different kettle of fish. Firstly I could see that the others you mentioned were busting a gut to try and produce a good dance every week. I know not everyone agrees with me, but that is not the impression I got with John and I don't believe he put in as much effort as the other celebs. I don't believe he put in enough effort full stop. Secondly, the others didn't 'court' the public in the way John did. He was the first celeb that I recall actually saying out loud that it was up to the public to keep him in the competition. In my opinion, the fact that John only stayed in the competition a few weeks longer than the other celebs you mention, was down to the comedic spectacle every week of him on the dance floor with the beautiful Kristina. People who did not normally watch the show started watching simply to have a good laugh at John's attempts. His Waltz wasn't that bad at all, but after that first week, he was in the bottom two on the leader board after the judges' scores (usually at the bottom) and that made him an underdog, especially after some of the comments he received from the judges. The public love an underdog and he stayed in the competition. That said, I don't think he should have withdrawn from the show. If he got the votes then so be it, but if he'd won I wouldn't have watched the show again. I don't think he would have won, but now we'll never know. Btw I'm really not looking to start up this discussion again and just responding to your post.

And without starting it up again, I agree you in thinking he wouldn't have won ... but will back away from that glancing over the shoulder at the mods and mouthing - not off topic, nothing to see ...

I think the worst thing to happen to James was Georgina. He hadn't got the fan base to be so full on so early. Brendan's popularity took a dint with Sarah even after series one. James had no popularity to dint, ended up in the negative and has been playing catch up ever since.

Oh, I thought maybe James was a hero who got blown to bits by the Taliban and was put back together by Ola like a 1000-piece jigsaw. She just couldn't figure out for the life of her where the grey jelly bit went.