Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“ The lift problem is also partly linked to your issue of who should choregraph. T and D seem to produce the same easier lifts in multiple routines - over and over again, week on week . There's less and less progression in most people's routines. They also seem to be producing fewer memorable new routines - and most people are lucky to get one. Its notable that Hayley's best routine was choregraphed by bringing in outside expertise, Sam's was lifted from an establish Irish dancing style and both Suzanne and Hayley were trained as dancers and could add themselves. Its not clear, though, what the answer to that could be. T and D have too little time with so many contestants, and may have an imagination block too. The pro skaters, though, can't all choregraph, or do it at the same level. If you change between the two, it might improve things, or make progression even less likely with two hands at work developing the skater - and the people with weak choregraphers will be disadvantaged week after week.”
“ The lift problem is also partly linked to your issue of who should choregraph. T and D seem to produce the same easier lifts in multiple routines - over and over again, week on week . There's less and less progression in most people's routines. They also seem to be producing fewer memorable new routines - and most people are lucky to get one. Its notable that Hayley's best routine was choregraphed by bringing in outside expertise, Sam's was lifted from an establish Irish dancing style and both Suzanne and Hayley were trained as dancers and could add themselves. Its not clear, though, what the answer to that could be. T and D have too little time with so many contestants, and may have an imagination block too. The pro skaters, though, can't all choregraph, or do it at the same level. If you change between the two, it might improve things, or make progression even less likely with two hands at work developing the skater - and the people with weak choregraphers will be disadvantaged week after week.”
I think the opposite... I think that whilst it is appreciated that big fancy lifts are often crowd pleasers, torvill and dean accept this but try to have some balance with ice 'dance' lifts that aren't necessarily about the height or the danger but how they flow and fit with the music and routine... Some lifts are often repeated but there isn't an infinite amount to choose from and I think you get more variety from 'dancier' lifts then the overly used table tops lifts, headbanger etc.
Hayley's Jai Ho routine was choreographed by t and d and the woman brought in to help was used to finess the movements and hands, Jayne and Chris themselves have done a routine called Songs of India so have experience choreographing the style. Similar with river dance, they have done routines based on Irish dancing and translating off ice moves to the ice is all down to chris dean which in my opinion is what made both routines so good because on paper they shouldn't have worked that well.
I think some celebrities are just hard to push... Take dave vitty for example, he was awful but they choreographed him in many different ways and whilst he could hardly skate he was pushed with the choreography. Chris Dean was even able to make use of his worst attribute his stiffness and translate that into a routine... Now that in my book is genius! Lol
