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Old 04-12-2011, 23:25
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In the first few weeks Misha B was clearly a hot contender to win the whole thing and the other 3 judges saw her as a threat.

Whilst I dont agree with what Tulisa did raising the bully card (it really was snake in the grass stuff) I can see why she acted like she did so early. Plus it worked big time as the public perception was then there. This is why there was a lack of support for Kitty. Her odd behaviour in the auditions cost her dear and once again the perception was put in place.

I think we all forget from time to time that their is a second competition going on between the judges. Its not ideal and I prefer that in a perfect world there wasnt one. But then the whole show wouldnt sell as series and we would be left week in week out with judges like Louis last night telling us how every act is a star/ deserves to be in the final and we should all be voting in our 1000's for them!
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Old 04-12-2011, 23:27
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Tulisa never said Misha was a bully. Not at all. The impression I got was that some of the other contestants found her a bit of a diva at times but the B word was not mentioned. Tulisa also liked Misha and supported her.
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Old 04-12-2011, 23:31
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Tulisa never said Misha was a bully. Not at all. The impression I got was that some of the other contestants found her a bit of a diva at times but the B word was not mentioned. Tulisa also liked Misha and supported her.
after sabotaging her. and tulisa started it off. louis chipped in.
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Old 04-12-2011, 23:34
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Tulisa never said Misha was a bully. Not at all. The impression I got was that some of the other contestants found her a bit of a diva at times but the B word was not mentioned. Tulisa also liked Misha and supported her.
I think it was Louis who pulled the bully card. I'm not sure it mattered in the end, you hear Misha sing one song you've pretty much heard her sing every song in the world because she never changed one tiny jot no matter what she sung. I think she just bored people to death in the end.
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Old 04-12-2011, 23:41
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If she didn't have an act left, Tulisa would have been supporting misha. That is why I'm so glad she's gone. hopefully Little Mix will come third.

Tulisa is a dreadful judge. When she voted against Kitty, she said it was because the public weren't connecting with her. Well if the public were connecting with Misha, she wouldn't have been in the bottom 2 on more than 1 occasion.

Be in no doubt, Misha is Tulisa's favourite of the acts she doesn't mentor, and has been for weeks.

Finally, Tulisa isn't in any position to criticise anybody for how they treat others considering the type of person her boyfriend is. He represents the real Tulisa.
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Old 04-12-2011, 23:42
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I think it was Louis who pulled the bully card. I'm not sure it mattered in the end, you hear Misha sing one song you've pretty much heard her sing every song in the world because she never changed one tiny jot no matter what she sung. I think she just bored people to death in the end.
so rolling in the deep was the same as who you are, and born this way?? they were different. people aren't ready for a good performer that doesnt lick your backside
*cough* the finalists *cough*

all the others sing in the same way each week. theyre no different.
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Old 04-12-2011, 23:44
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If she didn't have an act left, Tulisa would have been supporting misha. That is why I'm so glad she's gone. hopefully Little Mix will come third.

Tulisa is a dreadful judge. When she voted against Kitty, she said it was because the public weren't connecting with her. Well if the public were connecting with Misha, she wouldn't have been in the bottom 2 on more than 1 occasion.
Be in no doubt, Misha is Tulisa's favourite of the acts she doesn't mentor, and has been for weeks.

Finally, Tulisa isn't in any position to criticise anybody for how they treat others considering the type of person her boyfriend is. He represents the real Tulisa.
after tulisa and louis' outburst. damn right she should save her, she cast shade on her in a ridiculously unprofessional manner. and didnt even have the decency to actually say who said what or give an evidence. kitty chose to be weird, remember that. she wanted to be lady gaga mark II, which we dont need.
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Old 04-12-2011, 23:55
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Misha was never a contender to win the show. I thought she'd be out in week six (which she would have if not for being saved). If it comes out in the voting figures that she was leading the votes at that stage then you'll have a leg to stand on, as it is, there's nothing to say that Misha even deserved (on vocal talent) to get to the semi-final.

Tulisa only asked her to leave her anger on stage as she'd been a bit of a diva backstage (Kelly had also given her into trouble for this perviously) just because that lead to the admission of her being a bully three years ago doesn't mean she was sabotashed. Almost every act gets comments on their personality, why should someone shy get critisised for it but everything be kept quiet when someone's nasty? That's a bit twisted if you ask me.

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Old 05-12-2011, 00:22
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Misha was never a contender to win the show. I thought she'd be out in week six (which she would have if not for being saved). If it comes out in the voting figures that she was leading the votes at that stage then you'll have a leg to stand on, as it is, there's nothing to say that Misha even deserved (on vocal talent) to get to the semi-final.

Tulisa only asked her to leave her anger on stage as she'd been a bit of a diva backstage (Kelly had also given her into trouble for this perviously) just because that lead to the admission of her being a bully three years ago doesn't mean she was sabotashed. Almost every act gets comments on their personality, why should someone shy get critisised for it but everything be kept quiet when someone's nasty? That's a bit twisted if you ask me.

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you joking right?? and marcus sings better?? nicer tone and thats it. she was a dead cert to win.
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Old 05-12-2011, 00:25
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you joking right?? and marcus sings better?? nicer tone and thats it. she was a dead cert to win.
LOL, as if she would have won. People had trouble warming to Misha before bullygate. No doubt it didn't help, but I HIGHLY doubt it made things any worse.
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Old 05-12-2011, 00:25
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Tulisa's dirty trick worked a treat! i dont care whether she actually used the word bully or not she messed up Misha well and truly!

Misha's final performance of Who You Are was just amazing!
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Old 05-12-2011, 00:34
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LOL, as if she would have won. People had trouble warming to Misha before bullygate. No doubt it didn't help, but I HIGHLY doubt it made things any worse.
My feelings exactly as well. I had posted well before that she was a good singer but was rather meh personality-wise. And have tried to studiously avoid getting involved in any threads about that whole b issue. Cause I could care less, apparently I am in the minority, (and actually I did like Misha in wk 1 but that was about it) never really took to her at anytime.
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Old 05-12-2011, 00:42
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The week Tulisa and Louis made their comments I had just said as she was performing that I was getting bored and I think many others agreed. I accept that Tulisa and Louis' comments didn't help but I think she would've ended up in the bottom 2 regardless.

I think over the last two weeks she has got back to the standard she was at judges houses and the beginning of the lives and I thought she deserved her place in the final, but unfortunately once a contestant has found themselves in the bottom 2 it is difficult for them to win the public back round no matter how good they are.
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Old 05-12-2011, 00:44
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its no longer a talent compettion and tonight proved it even more its bascically become a singing version of Big brother
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Old 05-12-2011, 01:05
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It's been claimed that people weren't warming before the remark I for one beg to differ, didn't like her in audition, liked her at boot camp, warmed to her at the judges house, and had her as my favourite to win after her first live performance, and really enjoyed seeing her perform since then until her last performance tonight.

It has also been claimed that Mischa didn't have a fan base, she did up until the bullying remark made by Louis and although people are claiming that Tulisa had no part in it, wasn't she the one who in fact back up Louis and also was critical of Mischa attitude. Mischa admitted she had been a school bully but on in regards to the show she has stated no.

In a pursuit to win Tulisa and Louis were both willing and were instrumental in sabotaging Mischa chances of ever winning at that point Mischa was one of the favourites to win the whole competition.

The whole bullying saga took on a life of its own and overshadowed the whole programme. It was if I'm mistaken was to find a recording artist and not to single out one of the best contestant and ruin her life. If Simon was still in charge would they have gone down that route, the answer would be no.

It's just a shame this year people who should know better lept on to this and used it practically hound Mischa out of the competition. Yes she admitted to bullying someone at school. But during the competition we had Louis saying that she bullied someone who is ten years senior than her and then for that person (Sami) to later claim that she was definately not bullied by Mischa, but once put out there it's hard to retract. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...i-Brookes.html

When does being passionate about wanting to win a competition and giving opinion is interpreted as being a bullying? When your a desperate judge with contestants that are below par that are never going to win. Some forum members should try reading the article first before writing about something that has been reported as gospel truth when the other person invovled refuted the notion herself.

The threads born out of hatred for Mischa on this forum doesn't bare reading about, because they are form of indirect bullying themselves. I hope Mischa does have a career after this show and prove those who have been most critical of her wrong.
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Old 05-12-2011, 01:39
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GREAT POST tuesday...very well put and it details what a lot of Mosha fans had been thinking all along....that it was both delibrate and downright untruths coming from both of them...louise could never keep his mouth shut anyway...thought Tulisa would have been more dipolmatic about it and not go public about it after a contestant jas finished her song..the performance should have been criticed, not 'assumptions' brought about by them both in the first place.

Thanks for the link BTW!!
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Old 05-12-2011, 01:53
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LOL, as if she would have won. People had trouble warming to Misha before bullygate. No doubt it didn't help, but I HIGHLY doubt it made things any worse.
This is all speculation at the moment - we will find out when the weekly voting results are issued next Sunday. Maybe Misha wasnt doing that well before bully gate - and in any case perhaps the viewers do have the right to know if someone they are voting for used to be a school bully?
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Old 05-12-2011, 03:37
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This is all speculation at the moment - we will find out when the weekly voting results are issued next Sunday. Maybe Misha wasnt doing that well before bully gate - and in any case perhaps the viewers do have the right to know if someone they are voting for used to be a school bully?
As you said used to be a school bully past tense. No way should information like that should have been use in the way is was. It's just like what they have done to one members of LM stating on front page of newspaper that her dad was inside for murder http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...IX-DAD-JAILED/ does knowing that fact taint her and the group or do you put aside? Do you classify her as a victim too of guilt by association? Or do you say it has nothing to do with her and it happen a long time ago and she has moved on. Same could be said of Mischa who had moved on but was singled out by two judges who had acts in their categories that were never going to advance without somehow managing to sabotage one of the favourites.

The whole point of the programme is to judge the artist on their performance each week and that is what it should be about, once you start added anything else into the mix then the the true meaning gets lost.
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Old 05-12-2011, 04:02
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Tulisa and Louis should be ashamed of themselves. They knew what they were doing so Tulisa's fake tears mean nothing.But you know what? Watch out Tulisa dear coz Karma is a bitch.
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Old 05-12-2011, 04:05
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I think it was Louis who pulled the bully card. I'm not sure it mattered in the end, you hear Misha sing one song you've pretty much heard her sing every song in the world because she never changed one tiny jot no matter what she sung. I think she just bored people to death in the end.
Louis used the bully word, Tulisa never did. Most of what goes down is scripted in advance, in the heat of the moment things may go to far which may have been the case. X Factor Production likes to weave and set up stories around acts that they favour. Misha as can been seen by 3 bottom 2 saves of her, was just another one of those pushed to the fore acts. I can't quite work out whether Gary bringing up on Saturday night the whole bullying thing again, was another attempt to swing votes in Misha's favour or to sabotage her vote in favour of his Marcus? This must have been scripted.

When I say heat of the moment, I think Gary's goading of Tulisa and Louis sparked off the bully remark from Louis in anger. If I was to blame anyone beyond the background powers that be, it would have to be Gary.
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Old 05-12-2011, 04:13
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Louis used the bully word, Tulisa never did. Most of what goes down is scripted in advance, in the heat of the moment things may go to far which may have been the case. X Factor Production likes to weave and set up stories around acts that they favour. Misha as can been seen by 3 bottom 2 saves of her, was just another one of those pushed to the fore acts. I can't quite work out whether Gary bringing up on Saturday night the whole bullying thing again, was another attempt to swing votes in Misha's favour or to sabotage her vote in favour of his Marcus? This must have been scripted.

When I say heat of the moment, I think Gary's goading of Tulisa and Louis sparked off the bully remark from Louis in anger. If I was to blame anyone beyond the background powers that be, it would have to be Gary.
Are u frigging serious? What happened to Misha is Tulisa and Louis' fault. Stop blaming Gary for everything. Gary only stated the obvious on Saturday since he knew they won't be able to save Misha this time. Thanks to Tulisa and Louis, the public now think of Misha as a bully. Gary has always supported Misha and said nice things about her. Its ridiculous to blame him for something Tulisa and Louis did.
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Old 05-12-2011, 04:33
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Are u frigging serious? What happened to Misha is Tulisa and Louis' fault. Stop blaming Gary for everything. Gary only stated the obvious on Saturday since he knew they won't be able to save Misha this time. Thanks to Tulisa and Louis, the public now think of Misha as a bully. Gary has always supported Misha and said nice things about her. Its ridiculous to blame him for something Tulisa and Louis did.
Gary brought serious attention to something that had died away to a certain extent. Why? It was deliberate and I suspect Scripted statement. It would have gone clearly two way's. It would remind the bigots and the voting waiver's to lose her votes, or was it to get the sympathy vote? Either way a calculated gamble. We don't see the voting figures until after the show ends. X Factor Management does. No doubt they have a live feed giving updates right up to the last moment. So what did they see in the voting patterns?

There is no doubt that Misha has been favoured and repeatedly saved right up to the semi finals. Judges could not save her again.

What other's have alluded to when we do get the voting breakdown, was Misha's vote flagging before they brought in the Bullying saga and did her vote recover because of it?

The fun in part of X Factor, is the manipulation, spin and games that go on. Their backroom boy's must have a good laugh, when they see how it all works by reading comments on places like here. Big wave.
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Old 05-12-2011, 04:34
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It will be interesting to see the polling results when they are released next Sunday after the final. If what Tulisa and Louis said caused a decline in support for Misha I can see the judges kicking off on the XTra Factor.

I can also see Simon ditching Tulisa next year if Little Mix don't win. Amelia Little Mix and Miasha are the ones I believe Simon wants with Syco who will bring him the most money and could do something in the US, in particular Misha B.

Just my opinion.
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Old 05-12-2011, 04:44
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It's been claimed that people weren't warming before the remark I for one beg to differ, didn't like her in audition, liked her at boot camp, warmed to her at the judges house, and had her as my favourite to win after her first live performance, and really enjoyed seeing her perform since then until her last performance tonight.

It has also been claimed that Mischa didn't have a fan base, she did up until the bullying remark made by Louis and although people are claiming that Tulisa had no part in it, wasn't she the one who in fact back up Louis and also was critical of Mischa attitude. Mischa admitted she had been a school bully but on in regards to the show she has stated no.

In a pursuit to win Tulisa and Louis were both willing and were instrumental in sabotaging Mischa chances of ever winning at that point Mischa was one of the favourites to win the whole competition.

The whole bullying saga took on a life of its own and overshadowed the whole programme. It was if I'm mistaken was to find a recording artist and not to single out one of the best contestant and ruin her life. If Simon was still in charge would they have gone down that route, the answer would be no.

It's just a shame this year people who should know better lept on to this and used it practically hound Mischa out of the competition. Yes she admitted to bullying someone at school. But during the competition we had Louis saying that she bullied someone who is ten years senior than her and then for that person (Sami) to later claim that she was definately not bullied by Mischa, but once put out there it's hard to retract. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...i-Brookes.html

When does being passionate about wanting to win a competition and giving opinion is interpreted as being a bullying? When your a desperate judge with contestants that are below par that are never going to win. Some forum members should try reading the article first before writing about something that has been reported as gospel truth when the other person invovled refuted the notion herself.

The threads born out of hatred for Mischa on this forum doesn't bare reading about, because they are form of indirect bullying themselves. I hope Mischa does have a career after this show and prove those who have been most critical of her wrong.
excellent post.
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Old 05-12-2011, 04:49
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Anyone ever consider that Misha B might have genuinely been a rotten cow with the other contestants,and it came out in the heat of the moment..
It is possible folks
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