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♥~♥Aaron & Faye Appreciation♥~♥ (Part 2)
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Originally Posted by psychmed:
“I like Aaron very much. I like his complexity, his humour and his integrity. I doubt we would have seen many of these intriguing aspects to Aaron's character had he not been in a relationship with Faye in BB.
We all saw how Aaron retreated into himself when he was jolly cross
and upset either because he had upset Faye or she had done something he wasnt too keen on. I think had he Faye not been together these are sides of Aaron that we may never have seen.
The relationship brought out a very caring side to Aaron. We may never have seen this. I doubt Mark would have stayed much longer than he did. He ran out of steam and for him the show was then over. On the contrary we may we well have seen a very isolated Aaron. I doubt that would have won him votes.
We saw Aaron being prepared to put his neck on the line for his principles and integrity. Even if it meant upsetting Faye. We saw how badly Aaron sometimes handled situations. I doubt we would have seen much of this had Faye not been with him. I doubt we would have seen such vulnerability, such doubts about himself and such insecurity.
In my view these were all things that drew many of us to Aaron and integral to that was his relationship with Faye.
His last week in the house was made up of him being very sad, withdrawn and the odd silly moment. He certainly wasnt particularly entertaining to watch and had BB not construed the whole "giftgate" and the odd silly game, I doubt we would have seen much of him at all. It would have been Jayloo, Jayloo and Jayloo
Those who believed he would "come into his own" and "be better off" once Faye left, were in my view wrong. He himself said he had lost his "go to" person. Just as his brother David said he did bare his soul in there and much of that was due to his relationship with Faye.
I am sure now he is back in his own home environment in Weston he could do very nicely on his own. However, that was not his choice, he chose to have Faye with him. I doubt he went into BB looking for a relationship. He came out having fallen in love with a very lovely special girl.
I find it quite sad that some really cant see what she brought to him in that house, or how she added to his experience and in my view was instrumental in him winning. Heyho thats life I guess.”
“I like Aaron very much. I like his complexity, his humour and his integrity. I doubt we would have seen many of these intriguing aspects to Aaron's character had he not been in a relationship with Faye in BB.
We all saw how Aaron retreated into himself when he was jolly cross
and upset either because he had upset Faye or she had done something he wasnt too keen on. I think had he Faye not been together these are sides of Aaron that we may never have seen. The relationship brought out a very caring side to Aaron. We may never have seen this. I doubt Mark would have stayed much longer than he did. He ran out of steam and for him the show was then over. On the contrary we may we well have seen a very isolated Aaron. I doubt that would have won him votes.
We saw Aaron being prepared to put his neck on the line for his principles and integrity. Even if it meant upsetting Faye. We saw how badly Aaron sometimes handled situations. I doubt we would have seen much of this had Faye not been with him. I doubt we would have seen such vulnerability, such doubts about himself and such insecurity.
In my view these were all things that drew many of us to Aaron and integral to that was his relationship with Faye.
His last week in the house was made up of him being very sad, withdrawn and the odd silly moment. He certainly wasnt particularly entertaining to watch and had BB not construed the whole "giftgate" and the odd silly game, I doubt we would have seen much of him at all. It would have been Jayloo, Jayloo and Jayloo
Those who believed he would "come into his own" and "be better off" once Faye left, were in my view wrong. He himself said he had lost his "go to" person. Just as his brother David said he did bare his soul in there and much of that was due to his relationship with Faye.
I am sure now he is back in his own home environment in Weston he could do very nicely on his own. However, that was not his choice, he chose to have Faye with him. I doubt he went into BB looking for a relationship. He came out having fallen in love with a very lovely special girl.
I find it quite sad that some really cant see what she brought to him in that house, or how she added to his experience and in my view was instrumental in him winning. Heyho thats life I guess.”
I agree with all of this. After Aaron's friend on the live Bit on the Side, Harry and (it seemed to me) even Aaron himself over 'giftgate' were all busy trying to ruin Aaron's chances of winning the show - it was Faye who refused to waver in her support for him and her belief in their relationship. The editing in the week before Faye left made it seem like she was bringing Aaron down but it was obvious from her reactions that before she left they had decided that the relationship was on solid ground and would continue after they left the house - even though the highlights show ignored these conversations.
Maybe he would have won without Faye's support in that final week but, to be honest, I doubt it.
Originally Posted by psychmed:
“It baffles me how people cannot see that the connection between these two was the "story of the show". Despite all of the efforts by BB to make it the "non-story of the show" it remained the focus for many many people. They were inextricably linked in my view. I think it brought out the best and worst of both of them.
There are few people who could have resisted the barrage of anti-Aaron feeling on BOTS and OKtv and never loose faith in what they had. For that alone she has to be admired. Had he come out and walked away from her, she could seriously have looked like a "
on the head", but she never lost faith or doubted him. I believe that her conduct in those shows in that last week did a lot to help Aaron's cause. Some of those who doubted the relationship changed their tune.
Heaven forbid if this relationship does not work out for whatever reason, because I can see now who is going to get the blame:eek:
”
“It baffles me how people cannot see that the connection between these two was the "story of the show". Despite all of the efforts by BB to make it the "non-story of the show" it remained the focus for many many people. They were inextricably linked in my view. I think it brought out the best and worst of both of them.
There are few people who could have resisted the barrage of anti-Aaron feeling on BOTS and OKtv and never loose faith in what they had. For that alone she has to be admired. Had he come out and walked away from her, she could seriously have looked like a "
on the head", but she never lost faith or doubted him. I believe that her conduct in those shows in that last week did a lot to help Aaron's cause. Some of those who doubted the relationship changed their tune.Heaven forbid if this relationship does not work out for whatever reason, because I can see now who is going to get the blame:eek:
”
Oh yes it will be only one persons fault,
there again its not going to happen so nothing to bother us.
Originally Posted by psychmed:
“I see all is quiet on the Aaron and Faye twitter/facebook front. Perhaps they are out shopping
”
“I see all is quiet on the Aaron and Faye twitter/facebook front. Perhaps they are out shopping
”
Maybe its Palmer day as they have not been there yet, as far as I can see anyway.
Originally Posted by Heaven Scent:
“Oh yes it will be only one persons fault, there again its not going to happen so nothing to bother us.”
“Oh yes it will be only one persons fault,
there again its not going to happen so nothing to bother us.”
Oh me of little faith.
Of course you are right
Originally Posted by Heaven Scent:
“Maybe its Palmer day as they have not been there yet, as far as I can see anyway.”
“Maybe its Palmer day as they have not been there yet, as far as I can see anyway.
”
Maybe so. I am sure he will bring a smile to Mummy Palmer's face......somehow
I wonder if Jem will be there too. I am not keen at all, but would like the girls to reconcile. I think Faye has nailed her colours to the mast now, so to speak so whatever Jem has to say will have little effect on the relationship. It just would be nice for Mrs. Palmer to have her daughters on speaking terms.
Originally Posted by psychmed:
“I am not saying Aaron was an uncaring person before he started the relationship with Faye, but I certainly think we saw much more of that side to him because of his relationship with Faye. It is impossible to speculate how much of the caring side of Aaron we would have seen had he not been with Faye, but if the first week was anything to go by, I doubt he would have shown much of it. In fact I doubt we would have seen much of Aarons emotional side at all, apart from when he was thinking of his son.
Aaron quite obviously likes to play things close to his chest. He is a sensitive soul, but deals with that side of him by withdrawing, not joining in, going into his shell. I believe that had Faye not been there we would have seen Aaron withdrawing a lot more than he did. Especially once Mark left.
I am afraid I disagree that he would have formed different connections had Faye not been there. Apart from Mark who didnt last long and in my view was never going to stay the full course. He did speak with Harry from time to time but said it was always him who sought out Harry for a chat. He had very little in common with the others. Anton, Aden, Jay, Lou, were just not his kind of people. Whilst Lou is a very pretty girl she certainly wasnt his type personality wise. Maisy is too immature. Alex reminded him of his son, so not close friend material. Tom annoyed him a lot of the time. So there we are, I struggle to see who else he would have formed a connection with. I actually think because Mark was a bit daft he reminded him of some of his mates. They all seem to be into the whole "banter" scenario.
I agree that many would have "run a mile" when seeing the whole family dislike, and in fact he nearly did run. He was after all a "flight risk" His words not mine. I give him credit for sticking it out, but I wonder if he would have done had Faye not encouraged him to stay and in fact whilst she said more than once "wait until the outside" never really carried that through. Indeed many people in Faye's position would have walked after the week she had with Jem and the family vote situation. She didnt though, she battled with her sister and carried on.
I think Faye was the key to unlocking the depth to Aaron, otherwise we may only have ever seen the surface Aaron. In my view very different things. I am sure by what I have seen on here, facebook, twitter and the other forums that many recognise that we saw the best of Aaron because of his connection to Faye.”
“I am not saying Aaron was an uncaring person before he started the relationship with Faye, but I certainly think we saw much more of that side to him because of his relationship with Faye. It is impossible to speculate how much of the caring side of Aaron we would have seen had he not been with Faye, but if the first week was anything to go by, I doubt he would have shown much of it. In fact I doubt we would have seen much of Aarons emotional side at all, apart from when he was thinking of his son.
Aaron quite obviously likes to play things close to his chest. He is a sensitive soul, but deals with that side of him by withdrawing, not joining in, going into his shell. I believe that had Faye not been there we would have seen Aaron withdrawing a lot more than he did. Especially once Mark left.
I am afraid I disagree that he would have formed different connections had Faye not been there. Apart from Mark who didnt last long and in my view was never going to stay the full course. He did speak with Harry from time to time but said it was always him who sought out Harry for a chat. He had very little in common with the others. Anton, Aden, Jay, Lou, were just not his kind of people. Whilst Lou is a very pretty girl she certainly wasnt his type personality wise. Maisy is too immature. Alex reminded him of his son, so not close friend material. Tom annoyed him a lot of the time. So there we are, I struggle to see who else he would have formed a connection with. I actually think because Mark was a bit daft he reminded him of some of his mates. They all seem to be into the whole "banter" scenario.
I agree that many would have "run a mile" when seeing the whole family dislike, and in fact he nearly did run. He was after all a "flight risk"
His words not mine. I give him credit for sticking it out, but I wonder if he would have done had Faye not encouraged him to stay and in fact whilst she said more than once "wait until the outside" never really carried that through. Indeed many people in Faye's position would have walked after the week she had with Jem and the family vote situation. She didnt though, she battled with her sister and carried on. I think Faye was the key to unlocking the depth to Aaron, otherwise we may only have ever seen the surface Aaron. In my view very different things. I am sure by what I have seen on here, facebook, twitter and the other forums that many recognise that we saw the best of Aaron because of his connection to Faye.”
You place a lot of emphasis on this 'caring side' of Aaron as if that was the key factor that caused him to win or to gain support.
I disagree.
I think it was more his wit and humour- his zingers created a strong likeable persona. Aaron was save first before and during the relationship.
A lot of what i liked about Aaron has nothing to do with his relationship with Faye.
The comment you make about Faye 'unlocking' his depth.-Apart from my view that he is responsible for showing any hidden depth not her, I still believe that his winning is inspite of this.
Whose to say that Brian Dowling apart from being a witty Irish dude had additional depth not exposed because he didnt have a romance. He still won for other reason.
I think it all comes down to what you think are the reason for his win and who is responsible for that.
To me- I liked Aaron despite the relationship. Before and after and whilst I am usually a sucker for a love story that is not why i liked him so much and even if it was, I wasnt taken by the Jayloo love story so part of why I did love the Faaron love story was because of how he was in that love story.
I'm waffling now but little scenes like where he teased faye that he would be romantic by getting Jay to make her something or where he said 'cheers mate' when she said she loved him and he should say something nice. That, was romantic but also true to his witty self.
I think that my lack of interest in Jayloo is a testamont to the concept that it's more than just having a love story to enhance your position but also the nature and character of the person. Look at Aden and Rebekah. You could say that Rebekah brought out Aden's caring side -clearly that is not enough to make him or her a winner but their persona in general.
I just dont think he won largely because of Faaron but I think it was his general persona. I just cant imagine that ppl that voted for him did so because he showed 'emotional depth'. How does that explain his early first and second eviction week wins.
As for his connections with other HMs, i struggle to believe that without Mark and a relationship with Faye, he wouldnt have found a place and connections in the house. Like the other hms he had connections not with everyone but with enough. Tom/alex/Harry/Maisy/ even Louise and Jay at times. He was not a quitter and I believe he would have stuck it out regardless of whether he had a relationship with Faye.
Originally Posted by psychmed:
“Oh me of little faith. Of course you are right”
“Oh me of little faith.
Of course you are right”
They have made a huge commitment to each other with Faye moving all the way to Weston and Aaron introducing her to his son, these are things they would not take lightly and would not do if they were not 100% certain of the future.
Originally Posted by Noisy Oyster:
“I agree with all of this. After Aaron's friend on the live Bit on the Side, Harry and (it seemed to me) even Aaron himself over 'giftgate' were all busy trying to ruin Aaron's chances of winning the show - it was Faye who refused to waver in her support for him and her belief in their relationship. The editing in the week before Faye left made it seem like she was bringing Aaron down but it was obvious from her reactions that before she left they had decided that the relationship was on solid ground and would continue after they left the house - even though the highlights show ignored these conversations.
Maybe he would have won without Faye's support in that final week but, to be honest, I doubt it.”
“I agree with all of this. After Aaron's friend on the live Bit on the Side, Harry and (it seemed to me) even Aaron himself over 'giftgate' were all busy trying to ruin Aaron's chances of winning the show - it was Faye who refused to waver in her support for him and her belief in their relationship. The editing in the week before Faye left made it seem like she was bringing Aaron down but it was obvious from her reactions that before she left they had decided that the relationship was on solid ground and would continue after they left the house - even though the highlights show ignored these conversations.
Maybe he would have won without Faye's support in that final week but, to be honest, I doubt it.”
Harry certainly wasnt there for him when he needed his support. He is an odd one. If you follow him on twitter, even his tweets are a little condescending at times. I give as good as I get
As you say the week before Faye left the edit was shocking. Then I guess they were edited very badly at times throughout the whole show. It really didnt do C5 any favours that Aaron won and it was clear the public saw through the bad edits etc.
They take us for fools
Originally Posted by Heaven Scent:
“Maybe its Palmer day as they have not been there yet, as far as I can see anyway.”
“Maybe its Palmer day as they have not been there yet, as far as I can see anyway.
”
HOPE ALL YOU FELLOW FAARON FANS HAD A GREAT CHRISTMAS
!!!So no "Christmas at the Palmers" then
?
Ooh I love this. Although I have to try and forget they could come and read this. How weird would it be. It makes me feel much more comfortable knowing we can't dissect now so much, as we rightfully know so very little.
I wasn't trying to credit Faye with his admirable features... All credit to him for being who he is and sticking to it against the crowd inside and outside the house. That takes some balls. But I do think that those we love usually bring out the best in us... otherwise why would we be with them. I am still grateful to her for us being able to see so much more of him. You are right we may have seen this anyway, but I think it less likely. I think I wouldn't have got on with Jay and Anton and many of the others regardless. Faye ultimately has a good heart... and he rarely doubted it... and the one time he did he beat himself up about it big time. I think he has learnt she is fiercely loyal.
I'll go back to that time when he was saying it didn't matter what she looked like he'd still like her the same amount. She saw this as a criticism and was confused by it... but what an amazing compliment.
BIB1 I'll give her credit for it... though on second thought I'm not sure it was much of a choice for her. She couldn't help herself... like she said early on she was strung to him in a way she couldn't explain. I don't know if she could turn her back on him. I actually think he finds it easier to deny his heart and follow his principles than her... she denied her principles because she couldn't not spend time with him or stop caring about him... at least not at those close quarters.
BIB2 This still confuses me a little... and can only put it down to a mixture of the way Harry and Mark had felt about Alex when they left, about her family not voting for him in F+F and his own rel with her. I think it was a little misguided or poorly explained.... but I guess that's the nature of what happens in bb. You are pulled and prodded in the weirdest ways.
BIB - I completely agree. I truly believe that we saw much more of Aaron's real self because of Faye. That is not to give her credit for what was there, but for giving us a chance to see it.
Regarding relationships in the house... I completely agree. I guess we are friends with different people for different reasons. Although I think him and Harry were good friends... Harry didn't seem very deep/emotional to me. Faye and Mark seemed much more like Aaron in this repect. I think A and H were more on a similar intellectual wavelength? We def wouldn't have seen the vunerable side of A thanks to Harry imo... I think him and Tom were and would've been close... but not to the same extent as Faye.
I agree with your sum up entirely. It's funny though that so many of us consider whether we saw the best of Aaron because of Faye rather than the other way around. There really is something special about him, I really respect who he is... it is kind of relieving to see in a person. Faye, I like... and I can see why he fell for her... but I don't ever wonder if he brought out the best in her.... (now that I think about it I do think he did) or whether we would have seen a more/less of her as a person if Aaron hadn't been there.
Originally Posted by Bluestone:
“I do agree with the general point that the relationship meant that we saw a different side to Aaron and that played a part in garnering support for him.
However I strongly disagree that Faye is responsible for this or should somehow be credited with this.
Faye is NOT responsible for exposing Aaron's caring side. HE IS. If this was not in him, we would not have see it. Faye fell in love with him because of seeing this side to him. If he turned out to be an arse she would have lost interest as she did with Jay or she never wld have been interested in the 1st place.
He could have easily been a pig or truly have treated her badly in the relationship and then the perception the BB producers were trying to show could have been her true experience of him and he could have lost too much support to win.
There were times when even I as a Faaron fan, just thought aaron should cut his losses and forget about the relationship. Especially after the family nominations. Maybe most guys would have. Aaron's choices made a difference because of who HE IS. He choose not to focus on the outside world's views and encouraged Faye too.
When you say that his last week is evidence that he would not have come in to his own and was not better off without her. That i believe is an unfair statement because 1) he was only like that because of the relationship -so you're having your cake and eating it saying the relationship was the making of him and then saying that without it he wasn't a great character . The best way to judge him is how he was before the relationship. Without it he would have formed different connections with his HMs and would not have felt so lost when Faye left. He was already liked before the relationship started and I have no reason to think that he would not have continued to be like.
Also putting gift gate to the side and the first day of moping after Faye left, the producers still manipulated what they showed of Aaron. For instance editing out his dancing at alex and Tom's b day party after Gift gate or the naked bed fighting. He had his happy moments. Who knows what else.
When you say that ppl need to credit Faye for what she brought to him. I dont quite see it that way. Lets not forget that she fell for him because of what she saw in him and what he continued to be. Only he is responsible for that as is everything He did in the house.
That is my thoughts on the matter but I love a good debate.”
“I do agree with the general point that the relationship meant that we saw a different side to Aaron and that played a part in garnering support for him.
However I strongly disagree that Faye is responsible for this or should somehow be credited with this.
Faye is NOT responsible for exposing Aaron's caring side. HE IS. If this was not in him, we would not have see it. Faye fell in love with him because of seeing this side to him. If he turned out to be an arse she would have lost interest as she did with Jay or she never wld have been interested in the 1st place.
He could have easily been a pig or truly have treated her badly in the relationship and then the perception the BB producers were trying to show could have been her true experience of him and he could have lost too much support to win.
There were times when even I as a Faaron fan, just thought aaron should cut his losses and forget about the relationship. Especially after the family nominations. Maybe most guys would have. Aaron's choices made a difference because of who HE IS. He choose not to focus on the outside world's views and encouraged Faye too.
When you say that his last week is evidence that he would not have come in to his own and was not better off without her. That i believe is an unfair statement because 1) he was only like that because of the relationship -so you're having your cake and eating it saying the relationship was the making of him and then saying that without it he wasn't a great character . The best way to judge him is how he was before the relationship. Without it he would have formed different connections with his HMs and would not have felt so lost when Faye left. He was already liked before the relationship started and I have no reason to think that he would not have continued to be like.
Also putting gift gate to the side and the first day of moping after Faye left, the producers still manipulated what they showed of Aaron. For instance editing out his dancing at alex and Tom's b day party after Gift gate or the naked bed fighting. He had his happy moments. Who knows what else.
When you say that ppl need to credit Faye for what she brought to him. I dont quite see it that way. Lets not forget that she fell for him because of what she saw in him and what he continued to be. Only he is responsible for that as is everything He did in the house.
That is my thoughts on the matter but I love a good debate.”
I wasn't trying to credit Faye with his admirable features... All credit to him for being who he is and sticking to it against the crowd inside and outside the house. That takes some balls. But I do think that those we love usually bring out the best in us... otherwise why would we be with them. I am still grateful to her for us being able to see so much more of him. You are right we may have seen this anyway, but I think it less likely. I think I wouldn't have got on with Jay and Anton and many of the others regardless. Faye ultimately has a good heart... and he rarely doubted it... and the one time he did he beat himself up about it big time. I think he has learnt she is fiercely loyal.
I'll go back to that time when he was saying it didn't matter what she looked like he'd still like her the same amount. She saw this as a criticism and was confused by it... but what an amazing compliment.
Originally Posted by Heaven Scent:
“So you credit Faye with nothing all the credit goes to Aaron.
Faye stuck with Aaron despite kissgate despite her families dislike of him and despite his moods, do you not give her credit for that.
Aaron also fell for Faye because of what he saw in her and what she continued to be, a solid dependable young woman who never put anyone above him, unlike Aaron with the Alex fiasco.
Also a lot of voters liked what they had going between them and voted for Aaron because of the romance.”
“So you credit Faye with nothing all the credit goes to Aaron.
Faye stuck with Aaron despite kissgate despite her families dislike of him and despite his moods, do you not give her credit for that.
Aaron also fell for Faye because of what he saw in her and what she continued to be, a solid dependable young woman who never put anyone above him, unlike Aaron with the Alex fiasco.
Also a lot of voters liked what they had going between them and voted for Aaron because of the romance.”
BIB1 I'll give her credit for it... though on second thought I'm not sure it was much of a choice for her. She couldn't help herself... like she said early on she was strung to him in a way she couldn't explain. I don't know if she could turn her back on him. I actually think he finds it easier to deny his heart and follow his principles than her... she denied her principles because she couldn't not spend time with him or stop caring about him... at least not at those close quarters.
BIB2 This still confuses me a little... and can only put it down to a mixture of the way Harry and Mark had felt about Alex when they left, about her family not voting for him in F+F and his own rel with her. I think it was a little misguided or poorly explained.... but I guess that's the nature of what happens in bb. You are pulled and prodded in the weirdest ways.
Originally Posted by psychmed:
“I am not saying Aaron was an uncaring person before he started the relationship with Faye, but I certainly think we saw much more of that side to him because of his relationship with Faye. It is impossible to speculate how much of the caring side of Aaron we would have seen had he not been with Faye, but if the first week was anything to go by, I doubt he would have shown much of it. In fact I doubt we would have seen much of Aarons emotional side at all, apart from when he was thinking of his son.
Aaron quite obviously likes to play things close to his chest. He is a sensitive soul, but deals with that side of him by withdrawing, not joining in, going into his shell. I believe that had Faye not been there we would have seen Aaron withdrawing a lot more than he did. Especially once Mark left.
I am afraid I disagree that he would have formed different connections had Faye not been there. Apart from Mark who didnt last long and in my view was never going to stay the full course. He did speak with Harry from time to time but said it was always him who sought out Harry for a chat. He had very little in common with the others. Anton, Aden, Jay, Lou, were just not his kind of people. Whilst Lou is a very pretty girl she certainly wasnt his type personality wise. Maisy is too immature. Alex reminded him of his son, so not close friend material. Tom annoyed him a lot of the time. So there we are, I struggle to see who else he would have formed a connection with. I actually think because Mark was a bit daft he reminded him of some of his mates. They all seem to be into the whole "banter" scenario.
I agree that many would have "run a mile" when seeing the whole family dislike, and in fact he nearly did run. He was after all a "flight risk" His words not mine. I give him credit for sticking it out, but I wonder if he would have done had Faye not encouraged him to stay and in fact whilst she said more than once "wait until the outside" never really carried that through. Indeed many people in Faye's position would have walked after the week she had with Jem and the family vote situation. She didnt though, she battled with her sister and carried on.
I think Faye was the key to unlocking the depth to Aaron, otherwise we may only have ever seen the surface Aaron. In my view very different things. I am sure by what I have seen on here, facebook, twitter and the other forums that many recognise that we saw the best of Aaron because of his connection to Faye.”
“I am not saying Aaron was an uncaring person before he started the relationship with Faye, but I certainly think we saw much more of that side to him because of his relationship with Faye. It is impossible to speculate how much of the caring side of Aaron we would have seen had he not been with Faye, but if the first week was anything to go by, I doubt he would have shown much of it. In fact I doubt we would have seen much of Aarons emotional side at all, apart from when he was thinking of his son.
Aaron quite obviously likes to play things close to his chest. He is a sensitive soul, but deals with that side of him by withdrawing, not joining in, going into his shell. I believe that had Faye not been there we would have seen Aaron withdrawing a lot more than he did. Especially once Mark left.
I am afraid I disagree that he would have formed different connections had Faye not been there. Apart from Mark who didnt last long and in my view was never going to stay the full course. He did speak with Harry from time to time but said it was always him who sought out Harry for a chat. He had very little in common with the others. Anton, Aden, Jay, Lou, were just not his kind of people. Whilst Lou is a very pretty girl she certainly wasnt his type personality wise. Maisy is too immature. Alex reminded him of his son, so not close friend material. Tom annoyed him a lot of the time. So there we are, I struggle to see who else he would have formed a connection with. I actually think because Mark was a bit daft he reminded him of some of his mates. They all seem to be into the whole "banter" scenario.
I agree that many would have "run a mile" when seeing the whole family dislike, and in fact he nearly did run. He was after all a "flight risk"
His words not mine. I give him credit for sticking it out, but I wonder if he would have done had Faye not encouraged him to stay and in fact whilst she said more than once "wait until the outside" never really carried that through. Indeed many people in Faye's position would have walked after the week she had with Jem and the family vote situation. She didnt though, she battled with her sister and carried on. I think Faye was the key to unlocking the depth to Aaron, otherwise we may only have ever seen the surface Aaron. In my view very different things. I am sure by what I have seen on here, facebook, twitter and the other forums that many recognise that we saw the best of Aaron because of his connection to Faye.”
BIB - I completely agree. I truly believe that we saw much more of Aaron's real self because of Faye. That is not to give her credit for what was there, but for giving us a chance to see it.
Regarding relationships in the house... I completely agree. I guess we are friends with different people for different reasons. Although I think him and Harry were good friends... Harry didn't seem very deep/emotional to me. Faye and Mark seemed much more like Aaron in this repect. I think A and H were more on a similar intellectual wavelength? We def wouldn't have seen the vunerable side of A thanks to Harry imo... I think him and Tom were and would've been close... but not to the same extent as Faye.
I agree with your sum up entirely. It's funny though that so many of us consider whether we saw the best of Aaron because of Faye rather than the other way around. There really is something special about him, I really respect who he is... it is kind of relieving to see in a person. Faye, I like... and I can see why he fell for her... but I don't ever wonder if he brought out the best in her.... (now that I think about it I do think he did) or whether we would have seen a more/less of her as a person if Aaron hadn't been there.
Originally Posted by psychmed:
“It baffles me how people cannot see that the connection between these two was the "story of the show". Despite all of the efforts by BB to make it the "non-story of the show" it remained the focus for many many people. They were inextricably linked in my view. I think it brought out the best and worst of both of them.
There are few people who could have resisted the barrage of anti-Aaron feeling on BOTS and OKtv and never loose faith in what they had. For that alone she has to be admired. Had he come out and walked away from her, she could seriously have looked like a "on the head", but she never lost faith or doubted him. I believe that her conduct in those shows in that last week did a lot to help Aaron's cause. Some of those who doubted the relationship changed their tune.
Heaven forbid if this relationship does not work out for whatever reason, because I can see now who is going to get the blame”
“It baffles me how people cannot see that the connection between these two was the "story of the show". Despite all of the efforts by BB to make it the "non-story of the show" it remained the focus for many many people. They were inextricably linked in my view. I think it brought out the best and worst of both of them.
There are few people who could have resisted the barrage of anti-Aaron feeling on BOTS and OKtv and never loose faith in what they had. For that alone she has to be admired. Had he come out and walked away from her, she could seriously have looked like a "
on the head", but she never lost faith or doubted him. I believe that her conduct in those shows in that last week did a lot to help Aaron's cause. Some of those who doubted the relationship changed their tune.Heaven forbid if this relationship does not work out for whatever reason, because I can see now who is going to get the blame
”
Agree totally with the post...!!
It was the story of the show for me... evidenced by the three top AT threads that are still active from bb 2012.
She did have total faith in him... lovely to see... especially when those she trusted most in life had none. It was lovely to see that clip near the end of her time when she said she felt truly proud of who she was... perhaps that was the key.... and she proved to be right, her behaviour on leaving was impeccable... and when she said to him in the house he really didn't realise how loyal she was I doubted her... but she proved me wrong.. Maybe being loved for who she was by him gave her more confidence in herself or maybe it was the experience.
Originally Posted by Bluestone:
“You place a lot of emphasis on this 'caring side' of Aaron as if that was the key factor that caused him to win or to gain support.
I disagree.
I think it was more his wit and humour- his zingers created a strong likeable persona. Aaron was save first before and during the relationship.
A lot of what i liked about Aaron has nothing to do with his relationship with Faye.
The comment you make about Faye 'unlocking' his depth.-Apart from my view that he is responsible for showing any hidden depth not her, I still believe that his winning is inspite of this.
Whose to say that Brian Dowling apart from being a witty Irish dude had additional depth not exposed because he didnt have a romance. He still won for other reason.
I think it all comes down to what you think are the reason for his win and who is responsible for that.
To me- I liked Aaron despite the relationship. Before and after and whilst I am usually a sucker for a love story that is not why i liked him so much and even if it was, I wasnt taken by the Jayloo love story so part of why I did love the Faaron love story was because of how he was in that love story.
I'm waffling now but little scenes like where he teased faye that he would be romantic by getting Jay to make her something or where he said 'cheers mate' when she said she loved him and he should say something nice. That, was romantic but also true to his witty self.
I think that my lack of interest in Jayloo is a testamont to the concept that it's more than just having a love story to enhance your position but also the nature and character of the person. Look at Aden and Rebekah. You could say that Rebekah brought out Aden's caring side -clearly that is not enough to make him or her a winner but their persona in general.
I just dont think he won largely because of Faaron but I think it was his general persona. I just cant imagine that ppl that voted for him did so because he showed 'emotional depth'. How does that explain his early first and second eviction week wins.
As for his connections with other HMs, i struggle to believe that without Mark and a relationship with Faye, he wouldnt have found a place and connections in the house. Like the other hms he had connections not with everyone but with enough. Tom/alex/Harry/Maisy/ even Louise and Jay at times. He was not a quitter and I believe he would have stuck it out regardless of whether he had a relationship with Faye.”
“You place a lot of emphasis on this 'caring side' of Aaron as if that was the key factor that caused him to win or to gain support.
I disagree.
I think it was more his wit and humour- his zingers created a strong likeable persona. Aaron was save first before and during the relationship.
A lot of what i liked about Aaron has nothing to do with his relationship with Faye.
The comment you make about Faye 'unlocking' his depth.-Apart from my view that he is responsible for showing any hidden depth not her, I still believe that his winning is inspite of this.
Whose to say that Brian Dowling apart from being a witty Irish dude had additional depth not exposed because he didnt have a romance. He still won for other reason.
I think it all comes down to what you think are the reason for his win and who is responsible for that.
To me- I liked Aaron despite the relationship. Before and after and whilst I am usually a sucker for a love story that is not why i liked him so much and even if it was, I wasnt taken by the Jayloo love story so part of why I did love the Faaron love story was because of how he was in that love story.
I'm waffling now but little scenes like where he teased faye that he would be romantic by getting Jay to make her something or where he said 'cheers mate' when she said she loved him and he should say something nice. That, was romantic but also true to his witty self.
I think that my lack of interest in Jayloo is a testamont to the concept that it's more than just having a love story to enhance your position but also the nature and character of the person. Look at Aden and Rebekah. You could say that Rebekah brought out Aden's caring side -clearly that is not enough to make him or her a winner but their persona in general.
I just dont think he won largely because of Faaron but I think it was his general persona. I just cant imagine that ppl that voted for him did so because he showed 'emotional depth'. How does that explain his early first and second eviction week wins.
As for his connections with other HMs, i struggle to believe that without Mark and a relationship with Faye, he wouldnt have found a place and connections in the house. Like the other hms he had connections not with everyone but with enough. Tom/alex/Harry/Maisy/ even Louise and Jay at times. He was not a quitter and I believe he would have stuck it out regardless of whether he had a relationship with Faye.”
It may read as though I am placing a lot of emphasis on his "caring" side, but in fact I believe that is just one facet of his personality that we saw through his relationship as I said in my first post..
Yes he is witty and funny but it often takes a two way conversation i.e someone to bounce off and many of that humour was during his conversations with Faye. She is witty and funny in her own right and between them they had a great rapport. Some of the very funniest moments were either with Faye, talking about Faye in the Diary Room or when he was very upbeat and happy. In my view because of his relationship with Faye.
I think he was up against very weak competition the first two times he was saved by the public. It was evidence of his lack of connection with other housemates that he was up for eviction in the first place, and he has admitted to this himself. That is why I doubt he would have made good connections in the house. I could see at times she had a friendship of sorts with Tom, but it was very up and down and at times Tom said he hated him. Alex was an absolute non starter and so was Jay. They were so different. Interestingly the only person who he appears to have any regular connection with on the outside is Mark. Apart from Faye of course. I am sure he may speak to the others occasionally.
I see what you say about Brian Dowling, but those were the days of less manipulation and Live Feed which made a huge difference.
Originally Posted by Heaven Scent:
“They have made a huge commitment to each other with Faye moving all the way to Weston and Aaron introducing her to his son, these are things they would not take lightly and would not do if they were not 100% certain of the future.”
“They have made a huge commitment to each other with Faye moving all the way to Weston and Aaron introducing her to his son, these are things they would not take lightly and would not do if they were not 100% certain of the future.
”
You are right poppet and I am sure neither of them has made these decisions lightly
Originally Posted by Bluestone:
“You place a lot of emphasis on this 'caring side' of Aaron as if that was the key factor that caused him to win or to gain support.
I disagree.
I think it was more his wit and humour- his zingers created a strong likeable persona. Aaron was save first before and during the relationship.
A lot of what i liked about Aaron has nothing to do with his relationship with Faye.
The comment you make about Faye 'unlocking' his depth.-Apart from my view that he is responsible for showing any hidden depth not her, I still believe that his winning is inspite of this.
Whose to say that Brian Dowling apart from being a witty Irish dude had additional depth not exposed because he didnt have a romance. He still won for other reason.
I think it all comes down to what you think are the reason for his win and who is responsible for that.
To me- I liked Aaron despite the relationship. Before and after and whilst I am usually a sucker for a love story that is not why i liked him so much and even if it was, I wasnt taken by the Jayloo love story so part of why I did love the Faaron love story was because of how he was in that love story.
I'm waffling now but little scenes like where he teased faye that he would be romantic by getting Jay to make her something or where he said 'cheers mate' when she said she loved him and he should say something nice. That, was romantic but also true to his witty self.
I think that my lack of interest in Jayloo is a testamont to the concept that it's more than just having a love story to enhance your position but also the nature and character of the person. Look at Aden and Rebekah. You could say that Rebekah brought out Aden's caring side -clearly that is not enough to make him or her a winner but their persona in general.
I just dont think he won largely because of Faaron but I think it was his general persona. I just cant imagine that ppl that voted for him did so because he showed 'emotional depth'. How does that explain his early first and second eviction week wins.
As for his connections with other HMs, i struggle to believe that without Mark and a relationship with Faye, he wouldnt have found a place and connections in the house. Like the other hms he had connections not with everyone but with enough. Tom/alex/Harry/Maisy/ even Louise and Jay at times. He was not a quitter and I believe he would have stuck it out regardless of whether he had a relationship with Faye.”
“You place a lot of emphasis on this 'caring side' of Aaron as if that was the key factor that caused him to win or to gain support.
I disagree.
I think it was more his wit and humour- his zingers created a strong likeable persona. Aaron was save first before and during the relationship.
A lot of what i liked about Aaron has nothing to do with his relationship with Faye.
The comment you make about Faye 'unlocking' his depth.-Apart from my view that he is responsible for showing any hidden depth not her, I still believe that his winning is inspite of this.
Whose to say that Brian Dowling apart from being a witty Irish dude had additional depth not exposed because he didnt have a romance. He still won for other reason.
I think it all comes down to what you think are the reason for his win and who is responsible for that.
To me- I liked Aaron despite the relationship. Before and after and whilst I am usually a sucker for a love story that is not why i liked him so much and even if it was, I wasnt taken by the Jayloo love story so part of why I did love the Faaron love story was because of how he was in that love story.
I'm waffling now but little scenes like where he teased faye that he would be romantic by getting Jay to make her something or where he said 'cheers mate' when she said she loved him and he should say something nice. That, was romantic but also true to his witty self.
I think that my lack of interest in Jayloo is a testamont to the concept that it's more than just having a love story to enhance your position but also the nature and character of the person. Look at Aden and Rebekah. You could say that Rebekah brought out Aden's caring side -clearly that is not enough to make him or her a winner but their persona in general.
I just dont think he won largely because of Faaron but I think it was his general persona. I just cant imagine that ppl that voted for him did so because he showed 'emotional depth'. How does that explain his early first and second eviction week wins.
As for his connections with other HMs, i struggle to believe that without Mark and a relationship with Faye, he wouldnt have found a place and connections in the house. Like the other hms he had connections not with everyone but with enough. Tom/alex/Harry/Maisy/ even Louise and Jay at times. He was not a quitter and I believe he would have stuck it out regardless of whether he had a relationship with Faye.”
I can't say whether or not this gained him support but I can say this is what I looked forward to seeing. Yes, I found him funny... and I loved how he stood for what he believed in.... but it was so compelling (for me) to watch his vulnerable and caring side.
I similarly wasn't interested in the other romances... literally they bored me. But I do find it hard to pull Faye out of the equation completely... he was funny and great to watch. But the chemistry of them both I found very interesting to watch, and I can't say that would have been the same regardless of who his romance was with.
Originally Posted by Izzie321:
“Agree totally with the post...!!
It was the story of the show for me... evidenced by the three top AT threads that are still active from bb 2012.
She did have total faith in him... lovely to see... especially when those she trusted most in life had none. It was lovely to see that clip near the end of her time when she said she felt truly proud of who she was... perhaps that was the key.... and she proved to be right, her behaviour on leaving was impeccable... and when she said to him in the house he really didn't realise how loyal she was I doubted her... but she proved me wrong.. Maybe being loved for who she was by him gave her more confidence in herself or maybe it was the experience.”
“Agree totally with the post...!!
It was the story of the show for me... evidenced by the three top AT threads that are still active from bb 2012.
She did have total faith in him... lovely to see... especially when those she trusted most in life had none. It was lovely to see that clip near the end of her time when she said she felt truly proud of who she was... perhaps that was the key.... and she proved to be right, her behaviour on leaving was impeccable... and when she said to him in the house he really didn't realise how loyal she was I doubted her... but she proved me wrong.. Maybe being loved for who she was by him gave her more confidence in herself or maybe it was the experience.”
I think we also saw the best of Faye because of her relationship with Aaron. I dont think this is all one sided at all. I think her belief in Aaron and his feelings enabled Faye to show just how loyal she is. How strong minded she is and how much she wanted to make changes in her life.
When I watch back the footage
I am not confessing to how many times. It is very interesting to see how much respect she has for him. There were may time when she over analysed things and he told her to stop. And she did out of respect for him. I think she knows he is a tad quirky and odd and that is all part of the attraction for her. He himself said when he goes on dates it is difficult because people dont always understand those things about him. I just think she totally gets him! She stuck with him when he was lesss than kind to her i.e. the whole "nominationgate" and his preference for Alex to go through to the final. Crickey moses, most girls would have told him where to get off. There were lots of times when he was less than gracious and she stuck with him through his strops. Yes she had a moan about him at times, but who wouldnt.
I do think had she not got into this relationship with him, she may well have floated under the BB radar and been evicted as not being very interesting. Purely because of the edit I think.
This relationship was a win win for both of them I think.
Originally Posted by psychmed:
“I think we also saw the best of Faye because of her relationship with Aaron. I dont think this is all one sided at all. I think her belief in Aaron and his feelings enabled Faye to show just how loyal she is. How strong minded she is and how much she wanted to make changes in her life.
When I watch back the footage I am not confessing to how many times. It is very interesting to see how much respect she has for him. There were may time when she over analysed things and he told her to stop. And she did out of respect for him. I think she knows he is a tad quirky and odd and that is all part of the attraction for her. He himself said when he goes on dates it is difficult because people dont always understand those things about him. I just think she totally gets him!
She stuck with him when he was lesss than kind to her i.e. the whole "nominationgate" and his preference for Alex to go through to the final. Crickey moses, most girls would have told him where to get off. There were lots of times when he was less than gracious and she stuck with him through his strops. Yes she had a moan about him at times, but who wouldnt.
I do think had she not got into this relationship with him, she may well have floated under the BB radar and been evicted as not being very interesting. Purely because of the edit I think.
This relationship was a win win for both of them I think.”
“I think we also saw the best of Faye because of her relationship with Aaron. I dont think this is all one sided at all. I think her belief in Aaron and his feelings enabled Faye to show just how loyal she is. How strong minded she is and how much she wanted to make changes in her life.
When I watch back the footage
I am not confessing to how many times. It is very interesting to see how much respect she has for him. There were may time when she over analysed things and he told her to stop. And she did out of respect for him. I think she knows he is a tad quirky and odd and that is all part of the attraction for her. He himself said when he goes on dates it is difficult because people dont always understand those things about him. I just think she totally gets him! She stuck with him when he was lesss than kind to her i.e. the whole "nominationgate" and his preference for Alex to go through to the final. Crickey moses, most girls would have told him where to get off. There were lots of times when he was less than gracious and she stuck with him through his strops. Yes she had a moan about him at times, but who wouldnt.
I do think had she not got into this relationship with him, she may well have floated under the BB radar and been evicted as not being very interesting. Purely because of the edit I think.
This relationship was a win win for both of them I think.
”
I agree.
And I'm not saying he won because of it per se. But it did allow more of his character to be shown.
Neither of them got as far as they did because of having a' relationship'... as evidenced by Aiden and Rebeckah. But because of who they both were and their attraction to each other... including traumas was so interesting to watch.
Originally Posted by psychmed:
“I think we also saw the best of Faye because of her relationship with Aaron. I dont think this is all one sided at all. I think her belief in Aaron and his feelings enabled Faye to show just how loyal she is. How strong minded she is and how much she wanted to make changes in her life.
When I watch back the footage I am not confessing to how many times. It is very interesting to see how much respect she has for him. There were may time when she over analysed things and he told her to stop. And she did out of respect for him. I think she knows he is a tad quirky and odd and that is all part of the attraction for her. He himself said when he goes on dates it is difficult because people dont always understand those things about him. I just think she totally gets him!
She stuck with him when he was lesss than kind to her i.e. the whole "nominationgate" and his preference for Alex to go through to the final. Crickey moses, most girls would have told him where to get off. There were lots of times when he was less than gracious and she stuck with him through his strops. Yes she had a moan about him at times, but who wouldnt.
I do think had she not got into this relationship with him, she may well have floated under the BB radar and been evicted as not being very interesting. Purely because of the edit I think.
This relationship was a win win for both of them I think.”
“I think we also saw the best of Faye because of her relationship with Aaron. I dont think this is all one sided at all. I think her belief in Aaron and his feelings enabled Faye to show just how loyal she is. How strong minded she is and how much she wanted to make changes in her life.
When I watch back the footage
I am not confessing to how many times. It is very interesting to see how much respect she has for him. There were may time when she over analysed things and he told her to stop. And she did out of respect for him. I think she knows he is a tad quirky and odd and that is all part of the attraction for her. He himself said when he goes on dates it is difficult because people dont always understand those things about him. I just think she totally gets him! She stuck with him when he was lesss than kind to her i.e. the whole "nominationgate" and his preference for Alex to go through to the final. Crickey moses, most girls would have told him where to get off. There were lots of times when he was less than gracious and she stuck with him through his strops. Yes she had a moan about him at times, but who wouldnt.
I do think had she not got into this relationship with him, she may well have floated under the BB radar and been evicted as not being very interesting. Purely because of the edit I think.
This relationship was a win win for both of them I think.
”
And us.
How many times would we or many others bothered to watch back clips just to see Aarons zingers, watching back the romance thats a different story though, those clips have been flogged to death.
Originally Posted by Izzie321:
“I agree.
And I'm not saying he won because of it per se. But it did allow more of his character to be shown.
Neither of them got as far as they did because of having a' relationship'... as evidenced by Aiden and Rebeckah. But because of who they both were and their attraction to each other... including traumas was so interesting to watch.”
“I agree.
And I'm not saying he won because of it per se. But it did allow more of his character to be shown.
Neither of them got as far as they did because of having a' relationship'... as evidenced by Aiden and Rebeckah. But because of who they both were and their attraction to each other... including traumas was so interesting to watch.”
Aden and Rebeckah was never a relationship in my view. She used him to give something to talk about once she had left BB. Dont get me started on Rebeckah
I guess we will never know if he won because of the relationship per se, but I am one who thinks it definately helped. There are some who think he won despite the relationship and I find that hard to reconcile.
Originally Posted by Heaven Scent:
“And us.
How many times would we or many others bothered to watch back clips just to see Aarons zingers, watching back the romance thats a different story though, those clips have been flogged to death.”
“And us.
How many times would we or many others bothered to watch back clips just to see Aarons zingers, watching back the romance thats a different story though, those clips have been flogged to death.
”
I agree, I wouldnt go hunting through footage just to find the odd zinger with Alex or Tom. It is interesting that when I am hunting round for footage and the highlights shows. Most of the ones that have vastly more views than others, are those featuring Faye and Aaron. That must count for something.
I enjoy a good love story and loved the story of Faaron. I do re-watch some of those lovely scenes but that is not to me evidence that this is what I was most drawn to about aaron throughout the show. Like I said there were times when I was annoyed with aspects of the love story and thought Aaron should cut his losses but i do love the happy ending.
I'm not rewatching jayloo or aden/rebekah because It is not the love story I love -it's the characters in them i loved and now its warm and fuzzy to look back on the love story of a character/s i adore.
Just to be clear. I like Faye a lot. There were many times I was disappointed in her. For instance around Kissgate and also her early preoccupation with not looking like a '********' as she would say and being too concerned with the outside world. However in the end 'she came through for me' and I was very impressed in the last two weeks and when she was outside. I credit her for this and NOT Aaron.
I credit Aaron for
1. being a character that would make Faye fall for him and in the end want to stick with him
2. for when giving the opportunity to show a caring side for doing so. Lets not get it twisted having a relationship in the house could also backfire an bring out less admirable qualities (see Michelle Bass-bunny bolier tag)
3. For being witty and funny whilst still in the relationship and not being soppy and too sickly sweet like Jayloo
I could also take about aspects of Aaron's character I did not like but on balance his better qualities outweighed them.
I credit faye for a few things about what she did but even with the relationship and what that exposed of her better qualities, I would put her down as a 'winning character'. The same for Jay and Lou so I truly believe a Love story only does so much and ultimately it has to be the person's general character that makes them a winner.
As for Aaron being up for eviction early being some evidence of his failure to connect- you could turn that on its head by saying that he was such a complex character he stood out -those less complex sometimes 'fly under the radar' but are not necessarily 'winning characters'. I do believe that early on some HMs saw him as a threat. I believe that there was always 'something about Aaron;'.
I'm not rewatching jayloo or aden/rebekah because It is not the love story I love -it's the characters in them i loved and now its warm and fuzzy to look back on the love story of a character/s i adore.
Just to be clear. I like Faye a lot. There were many times I was disappointed in her. For instance around Kissgate and also her early preoccupation with not looking like a '********' as she would say and being too concerned with the outside world. However in the end 'she came through for me' and I was very impressed in the last two weeks and when she was outside. I credit her for this and NOT Aaron.
I credit Aaron for
1. being a character that would make Faye fall for him and in the end want to stick with him
2. for when giving the opportunity to show a caring side for doing so. Lets not get it twisted having a relationship in the house could also backfire an bring out less admirable qualities (see Michelle Bass-bunny bolier tag)
3. For being witty and funny whilst still in the relationship and not being soppy and too sickly sweet like Jayloo
I could also take about aspects of Aaron's character I did not like but on balance his better qualities outweighed them.
I credit faye for a few things about what she did but even with the relationship and what that exposed of her better qualities, I would put her down as a 'winning character'. The same for Jay and Lou so I truly believe a Love story only does so much and ultimately it has to be the person's general character that makes them a winner.
As for Aaron being up for eviction early being some evidence of his failure to connect- you could turn that on its head by saying that he was such a complex character he stood out -those less complex sometimes 'fly under the radar' but are not necessarily 'winning characters'. I do believe that early on some HMs saw him as a threat. I believe that there was always 'something about Aaron;'.
Originally Posted by psychmed:
“Aden and Rebeckah was never a relationship in my view. She used him to give something to talk about once she had left BB. Dont get me started on Rebeckah
I guess we will never know if he won because of the relationship per se, but I am one who thinks it definately helped. There are some who think he won despite the relationship and I find that hard to reconcile.”
“Aden and Rebeckah was never a relationship in my view. She used him to give something to talk about once she had left BB. Dont get me started on Rebeckah
I guess we will never know if he won because of the relationship per se, but I am one who thinks it definately helped. There are some who think he won despite the relationship and I find that hard to reconcile.
”
Brian Dowling and most of the other winners won without a love story. I find it hard to understand why you struggle with the idea that Aaron wouldn't have won without it. That is fascinating to me. Especially when you have
the Brian v Helen Adams final.
I was sold on the Helen/Paul romance and some still believe it was the most genuine of all the series. However a character without a love story won over her.
Louise was part of a love story -but her character had no way of winning because she had no redeeming winning character.
Love stories in other series clearly damaged a persons chances- ie Maxwell and Saskia.
Surely this shows it aint about the love story but rather the person and their character.
??
In the end, and in the spirit of the joint thread, we acknowledge that Faye and Aaron complemented each other, and each was a valuable support and slowly, after a halting start, they formed a bond of trust and understanding that drew the best out of the other. Had that bond not formed, and the relationship that developed between them not been so intriguing, I'm not sure either would have lasted the time they did.
Had "kissgate" not resolved itself in a way that all parties involved or peripherally involved were happy wth the situation, had Tom or Faye or even Maisy borne a grudge over the events of that night, then the dynamic of the house could have been totally different, and with it the public perception of the HMs involved, with consequences for the subsequent nomination/eviction rounds.
I do think it is self-defeating and a bit petty to try and score points over who helped who the most, though
Had "kissgate" not resolved itself in a way that all parties involved or peripherally involved were happy wth the situation, had Tom or Faye or even Maisy borne a grudge over the events of that night, then the dynamic of the house could have been totally different, and with it the public perception of the HMs involved, with consequences for the subsequent nomination/eviction rounds.
I do think it is self-defeating and a bit petty to try and score points over who helped who the most, though
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