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Old 07-12-2011, 02:33
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See here:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...executive.html

Sorry but why would I want to stream music that's just like new skool radio.

It's one thing no physical copy like a CD but sorry to say I'd rather "own" a copy of the track than a random site you stream it from.
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Old 07-12-2011, 03:05
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I sometimes use Spotify, to "test drive" an album or listen to an old album I can't be bothered to dig out and insert into my MacBook.

I don't use it as a substitute for buying music, it just doesn't feel the same.
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Old 07-12-2011, 03:53
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Spotify doesn't give anyone the incentive to buy music. It's a massive idiotic own goal from a desperate industry. And royalty rates are pathetic.
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Old 07-12-2011, 04:11
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I'd actually say that Spotify has made me buy a lot more CDs, because its really expanded the library of music I listen to. Anytime I hear an interesting song or a new artist recommendation, I have a listen to their album on Spotify, and a lot of the time I end up buying it.

So for me personally I'd say its more of a compliment than a substitute to CD buying. Plus at least Spotify is legal and earns a bit of money for the artist. Without it I think most people would just switch to illegal downloads.
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Old 07-12-2011, 12:01
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Amazon mp3 store is much better than itunes store.
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Old 07-12-2011, 12:03
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By the way I think itunes sales are falling because they realise that DRM is not the way to go with music.
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Old 07-12-2011, 13:24
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Spotify is just the logical evolution of the music industry for a changing world.

I'm a massive fan of Spotify, I pay £9.99 a month and for that I get a catalogue of millions of high-quality songs that I can listen to whenever I want, and I have the comfort that I know it is legal and the artists I listen to are getting paid (regardless of how much it is).

Artists whining that they're not getting enough money for what they do just need to grow up and accept the industry is different now. They can try and demand however much money they want for their work but if people aren't going to pay for it then it's pointless. It's just basic market economics.

When videos of films first came out, the film industry said people would stop going to the cinema, clearly that didn't happen. Once technology provides a new, better way for consumers to consume a product, there is no going back. The industry can't just pretend that things like YouTube and file sharing doesn't exist, or even worse try to illegalise it, because that's near impossible. As long as music is available to listen to on the internet for free, which it is, and always will be now, it's just rational human behaviour to listen to it for free. Unless the music industry can adapt to this and provide incentives (like Spotify) to tempt people away from illegal listening and into a paid model then it won't survive.
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Old 07-12-2011, 13:29
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Spotify is just the logical evolution of the music industry for a changing world.

I'm a massive fan of Spotify, I pay £9.99 a month and for that I get a catalogue of millions of high-quality songs that I can listen to whenever I want, and I have the comfort that I know it is legal and the artists I listen to are getting paid (regardless of how much it is).

Artists whining that they're not getting enough money for what they do just need to grow up and accept the industry is different now. They can try and demand however much money they want for their work but if people aren't going to pay for it then it's pointless. It's just basic market economics.

When videos of films first came out, the film industry said people would stop going to the cinema, clearly that didn't happen. Once technology provides a new, better way for consumers to consume a product, there is no going back. The industry can't just pretend that things like YouTube and file sharing doesn't exist, or even worse try to illegalise it, because that's near impossible. As long as music is available to listen to on the internet for free, which it is, and always will be now, it's just rational human behaviour to listen to it for free. Unless the music industry can adapt to this and provide incentives (like Spotify) to tempt people away from illegal listening and into a paid model then it won't survive.
Agreed, I prefer Last FM to Spotify but it's the same basic principle.
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Old 07-12-2011, 13:59
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Spotify is just the logical evolution of the music industry for a changing world.

I'm a massive fan of Spotify, I pay £9.99 a month and for that I get a catalogue of millions of high-quality songs that I can listen to whenever I want, and I have the comfort that I know it is legal and the artists I listen to are getting paid (regardless of how much it is).

Artists whining that they're not getting enough money for what they do just need to grow up and accept the industry is different now. They can try and demand however much money they want for their work but if people aren't going to pay for it then it's pointless. It's just basic market economics.

When videos of films first came out, the film industry said people would stop going to the cinema, clearly that didn't happen. Once technology provides a new, better way for consumers to consume a product, there is no going back. The industry can't just pretend that things like YouTube and file sharing doesn't exist, or even worse try to illegalise it, because that's near impossible. As long as music is available to listen to on the internet for free, which it is, and always will be now, it's just rational human behaviour to listen to it for free. Unless the music industry can adapt to this and provide incentives (like Spotify) to tempt people away from illegal listening and into a paid model then it won't survive.
So you don't care that the artists/songwriters earn sod all from Spotify? How odd.
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Old 07-12-2011, 14:01
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I sometimes use Spotify, to "test drive" an album or listen to an old album I can't be bothered to dig out and insert into my MacBook.

I don't use it as a substitute for buying music, it just doesn't feel the same.
This is pretty much exactly what I do, tbh. I'd feel really guilty listening to an album a lot and not paying for it.
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Old 07-12-2011, 14:55
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Sorry but why would I want to stream music that's just like new skool radio.
You say that like it's a bad thing. I use Spotify like my own personal station; I load it up with new releases from this week and the previous two weeks; currently I have 96 tracks on my generic MP3 player. It means I'm able to discover new artists* and avoid the frankly awful choice of breakfast music radio in this country. Everyone's a winner.


So you don't care that the artists/songwriters earn sod all from Spotify? How odd.
Pound-for-pound it pays more than Radio 1 does. And that's before you measure the more unquantifiable aspects, like anyone buying their CDs afterwards, or going to their gigs, or listening to stuff that they already own.

*Aside from the Jon Hopkins' of this world; their loss.
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Old 07-12-2011, 15:54
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There's not a lot of money to be made from albums these days, tours are where the money is.

Blondie have been touring almost non-stop since the 90's, releasing only 3 albums in that time (Not including Greatest Hits)... They're absolutely minted.
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Old 07-12-2011, 18:26
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So you don't care that the artists/songwriters earn sod all from Spotify? How odd.
To be honest, I think the amount of money the artists make from the actual sales of the songs must be a miniscule proportion of what they earn overall.
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Old 07-12-2011, 18:43
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So you don't care that the artists/songwriters earn sod all from Spotify? How odd.
From Spotify and We7, they actually earn about 8 times as much in PRS fees as they do from radio play - if it's an on-demand stream. Youtube also pay PRS fees - so they're covered.

I pay We7 about a fiver per month - currently my primary laptop is playing out a load of classic ABBA stuff... when it comes time to upgrade my phone - I may well boost my We7 subs to a tenner a month to allow me to sideload...

Usage is very similar - I can't be arsed loading CDs into my DVD player - so I'll stream them while i'm working from home... and the PRS are getting their cut every month...
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Old 07-12-2011, 18:56
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I use Spotify Premium because of the offline playlists, but even if I didn't I wouldn't be paying 99p for a song on iTunes or paying the same price (sometimes more) for a digital download of an album. I always hated the idea of paying for something that wasn't a physical item, however I do buy books for my Kindle but still wouldn't do it with MP3s. I'd just go back to finding the music elsewhere. I still buy CDs of my favourite artists, always have done and always will do but Spotify is so easy to use I couldn't imagine going back to iTunes and ripping CDs and downloading music. 9 out of 10 songs I search for on there but I know some people argue that they can't find the stuff they want to listen to on there.
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