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The John James & Josie Appreciation Thread (Part 215)
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Evening I know everyone has gone to bed but just wanted to post this that I think Mackoe posted earlier on twitter, very true 
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Morning all
Keeping everything crossed that she is a match for your Carole
Originally Posted by PICKLES60:
“Aww I am half asleep in bed here not much to say at the mo, my niece has offered to be tested for a transplant match so that's a bit of good news.”
“Aww I am half asleep in bed here not much to say at the mo, my niece has offered to be tested for a transplant match so that's a bit of good news.”
Keeping everything crossed that she is a match for your Carole
well its a very good morning from me, its sunny and wet, at 5 it was real frosty,
carnt believe the poll, if id have been up id have been excited, carnt see the score any more, so i do hope, she has won, one, when i went to bed i thought there was no chance,
carnt believe the poll, if id have been up id have been excited, carnt see the score any more, so i do hope, she has won, one, when i went to bed i thought there was no chance,
been feeling down for a bit even worse when twitter gate was on, but with all my very good friends on here, like shem and wendy and deb to name just 3
love our two to bits, but could still slap there legs (is that dv) i think josies intentions were good, and perhaps thought hed reply by email, but he didnt so why didnt he, la,la,la,
hope you all know what dv is in the hospital diarrohoea and vomiting
love our two to bits, but could still slap there legs (is that dv) i think josies intentions were good, and perhaps thought hed reply by email, but he didnt so why didnt he, la,la,la,
hope you all know what dv is in the hospital diarrohoea and vomiting
Originally Posted by suebloore:
“been feeling down for a bit even worse when twitter gate was on, but with all my very good friends on here, like shem and wendy and deb to name just 3
love our two to bits, but could still slap there legs (is that dv) i think josies intentions were good, and perhaps thought hed reply by email, but he didnt so why didnt he, la,la,la,
hope you all know what dv is in the hospital diarrohoea and vomiting”
“been feeling down for a bit even worse when twitter gate was on, but with all my very good friends on here, like shem and wendy and deb to name just 3
love our two to bits, but could still slap there legs (is that dv) i think josies intentions were good, and perhaps thought hed reply by email, but he didnt so why didnt he, la,la,la,
hope you all know what dv is in the hospital diarrohoea and vomiting”
Morning Sue
Try not to let things get you down
I get disappointed with them both, but I soon get over it Still here appreciating them Right must go and brave the shops - just hope I don't fall on my backside with the icy pavements
I'll say it again they're BOTH proud, fierce, scathing, savage and UNFORGIVING............
So when Journalists ask Josie questions about John she doesn't hold back with a No Comment, she follows the precedents set in their OK interview, the one where this whole sorry and public mess began, the one where they BOTH to put it into John's words just called it like they saw it and told THEIR version of the truth. That same interview which was the impetus and source of information the differing fan bases used to begin their own fight, with each side moralising and trying to win/prove their point, she was in the wrong, no he was in the wrong, you're deluded, no you're a fool, go kiss your idol's ass, no i'll hate on yours instead, tag mine in, it may get me noticed / a follow / a thankyou, I love and support you 100% John, I love and support you 100% Josie and so on and so on, every acusation and counter acusation since then just more fuel for the fire.........
and when Josie sees a
or #ff or a tweet of encouragement by John for a Josie uber hater what do you think her reaction is going to be? hurt? anger? indifference? disappointment? and the next time she's interviewed and someone asks her what she thinks of John and she's just maybe read another barage of abuse from one of those same haters/followers what do you think she's going to say, No comment? no hard feelings? he's a nice guy we just didn't work out? or he's a manipulator who liked to put me down?
and when John reads the latest article or watches the latest clip to see what's been said about him what do you think his reaction is going to be? couldn't give a rip? nope doesn't seem like it does it, he's pissed off and good and mad, he's entitled to be pissed off, I would be too if someone were trashing my character publicly, the same way Josie was entitled to be pissed off when John did exactly the same thing to her
How dare he, how dare she. prick! fruit cake!........
Well they both dare and they're both responsible and accountable for what they've put out there
As far as Josie emailing John to ask him to in effect call off the dogs, was it wise, no, was it worded in a way that was likely to put his back up, looks that way 'I'm not afraid to take a stand', was it likely to get a favourable response given this sentence formed part of it 'retweet something like vote for me on 100percent people, Just something that tells them you don't agree with their behaviour' hardly as his response was 'Desperate times calls for desperate measures'
As far as John tweeting out that she'd contacted him to ask him to call off the dogs was that dignified, classy, praise worthy or was it just an opportunity he took advantage of in order to be able to once again publicly mock, ridicule,vent and try to humiliate Josie.
Was Josie's request to him soley for her own benefit, could have been but I highly doubt it, for one I don't think her pride would have let her contact him if it were JUST for her own benefit, she wouldn't have wanted to show that much vunerability to someone who in her own words she no longer trusts. However having said that she's seen like everyone else has how stupid the hate and fighting has become between the fringe elements of the fan bases and I do think she would have done it to try and help to stop that, One because I think she'd feel partly responsible/guilty and two because unlike John she always did have more of a social concience, awareness, sense of resposibility with regards to people beyond her immediate circle of close friends and family 'I hope a certain someone does the right thing' and something which is part of her character and in evidence long before she won BB.
Did she have a right to ask him to intercede with his fans when as far as we know at least she's done nothing actively herself to help bring about an end to the situation, in terms of either asking her own fans to desist because she refuses to see that she also has fans who are just as bad as some of Johns or by making a statement that from now on she will let it drop and refrain from slagging him off in the press? No because you can't ask someone else to do what you're not willing to do yourself , you can't have it both ways ie do as I say but not as I do.
So the request fell on deaf ears and was rejected, he's done his usual thing of trying to deflect any kind of blame or resposibiltiy in this instance for the hate away from himself ie don't go on BB if you don't want any, totally chosing to ignore or acknowledge the fact that Josie isn't getting hate because she was in BB but because she was in a relationship with him that failed and instead of keeping the reasons for that failure to themselves they've both chosen to involve their respective fan bases via twitter, via magazines and via TV in what was always THEIR fight and a fight which should never have become the fans in the first place.
So when Journalists ask Josie questions about John she doesn't hold back with a No Comment, she follows the precedents set in their OK interview, the one where this whole sorry and public mess began, the one where they BOTH to put it into John's words just called it like they saw it and told THEIR version of the truth. That same interview which was the impetus and source of information the differing fan bases used to begin their own fight, with each side moralising and trying to win/prove their point, she was in the wrong, no he was in the wrong, you're deluded, no you're a fool, go kiss your idol's ass, no i'll hate on yours instead, tag mine in, it may get me noticed / a follow / a thankyou, I love and support you 100% John, I love and support you 100% Josie and so on and so on, every acusation and counter acusation since then just more fuel for the fire.........
and when Josie sees a
or #ff or a tweet of encouragement by John for a Josie uber hater what do you think her reaction is going to be? hurt? anger? indifference? disappointment? and the next time she's interviewed and someone asks her what she thinks of John and she's just maybe read another barage of abuse from one of those same haters/followers what do you think she's going to say, No comment? no hard feelings? he's a nice guy we just didn't work out? or he's a manipulator who liked to put me down? and when John reads the latest article or watches the latest clip to see what's been said about him what do you think his reaction is going to be? couldn't give a rip? nope doesn't seem like it does it, he's pissed off and good and mad, he's entitled to be pissed off, I would be too if someone were trashing my character publicly, the same way Josie was entitled to be pissed off when John did exactly the same thing to her
How dare he, how dare she. prick! fruit cake!........
Well they both dare and they're both responsible and accountable for what they've put out there
As far as Josie emailing John to ask him to in effect call off the dogs, was it wise, no, was it worded in a way that was likely to put his back up, looks that way 'I'm not afraid to take a stand', was it likely to get a favourable response given this sentence formed part of it 'retweet something like vote for me on 100percent people, Just something that tells them you don't agree with their behaviour' hardly as his response was 'Desperate times calls for desperate measures'
As far as John tweeting out that she'd contacted him to ask him to call off the dogs was that dignified, classy, praise worthy or was it just an opportunity he took advantage of in order to be able to once again publicly mock, ridicule,vent and try to humiliate Josie.
Was Josie's request to him soley for her own benefit, could have been but I highly doubt it, for one I don't think her pride would have let her contact him if it were JUST for her own benefit, she wouldn't have wanted to show that much vunerability to someone who in her own words she no longer trusts. However having said that she's seen like everyone else has how stupid the hate and fighting has become between the fringe elements of the fan bases and I do think she would have done it to try and help to stop that, One because I think she'd feel partly responsible/guilty and two because unlike John she always did have more of a social concience, awareness, sense of resposibility with regards to people beyond her immediate circle of close friends and family 'I hope a certain someone does the right thing' and something which is part of her character and in evidence long before she won BB.
Did she have a right to ask him to intercede with his fans when as far as we know at least she's done nothing actively herself to help bring about an end to the situation, in terms of either asking her own fans to desist because she refuses to see that she also has fans who are just as bad as some of Johns or by making a statement that from now on she will let it drop and refrain from slagging him off in the press? No because you can't ask someone else to do what you're not willing to do yourself , you can't have it both ways ie do as I say but not as I do.
So the request fell on deaf ears and was rejected, he's done his usual thing of trying to deflect any kind of blame or resposibiltiy in this instance for the hate away from himself ie don't go on BB if you don't want any, totally chosing to ignore or acknowledge the fact that Josie isn't getting hate because she was in BB but because she was in a relationship with him that failed and instead of keeping the reasons for that failure to themselves they've both chosen to involve their respective fan bases via twitter, via magazines and via TV in what was always THEIR fight and a fight which should never have become the fans in the first place.
Originally Posted by killingtime:
“I'll say it again they're BOTH proud, fierce, scathing, savage and UNFORGIVING............
So when Journalists ask Josie questions about John she doesn't hold back with a No Comment, she follows the precedents set in their OK interview, the one where this whole sorry and public mess began, the one where they BOTH to put it into John's words just called it like they saw it and told THEIR version of the truth. That same interview which was the impetus and source of information the differing fan bases used to begin their own fight, with each side moralising and trying to win/prove their point, she was in the wrong, no he was in the wrong, you're deluded, no you're a fool, go kiss your idol's ass, no i'll hate on yours instead, tag mine in, it may get me noticed / a follow / a thankyou, I love and support you 100% John, I love and support you 100% Josie and so on and so on, every acusation and counter acusation since then just more fuel for the fire.........
and when Josie sees a or #ff or a tweet of encouragement by John for a Josie uber hater what do you think her reaction is going to be? hurt? anger? indifference? disappointment? and the next time she's interviewed and someone asks her what she thinks of John and she's just maybe read another barage of abuse from one of those same haters/followers what do you think she's going to say, No comment? no hard feelings? he's a nice guy we just didn't work out? or he's a manipulator who liked to put me down?
and when John reads the latest article or watches the latest clip to see what's been said about him what do you think his reaction is going to be? couldn't give a rip? nope doesn't seem like it does it, he's pissed off and good and mad, he's entitled to be pissed off, I would be too if someone were trashing my character publicly, the same way Josie was entitled to be pissed off when John did exactly the same thing to her
How dare he, how dare she. prick! fruit cake!........
Well they both dare and they're both responsible and accountable for what they've put out there
As far as Josie emailing John to ask him to in effect call off the dogs, was it wise, no, was it worded in a way that was likely to put his back up, looks that way 'I'm not afraid to take a stand', was it likely to get a favourable response given this sentence formed part of it 'retweet something like vote for me on 100percent people, Just something that tells them you don't agree with their behaviour' hardly as his response was 'Desperate times calls for desperate measures'
As far as John tweeting out that she'd contacted him to ask him to call off the dogs was that dignified, classy, praise worthy or was it just an opportunity he took advantage of in order to be able to once again publicly mock, ridicule,vent and try to humiliate Josie.
Was Josie's request to him soley for her own benefit, could have been but I highly doubt it, for one I don't think her pride would have let her contact him if it were JUST for her own benefit, she wouldn't have wanted to show that much vunerability to someone who in her own words she no longer trusts. However having said that she's seen like everyone else has how stupid the hate and fighting has become between the fringe elements of the fan bases and I do think she would have done it to try and help to stop that, One because I think she'd feel partly responsible/guilty and two because unlike John she always did have more of a social concience, awareness, sense of resposibility with regards to people beyond her immediate circle of close friends and family 'I hope a certain someone does the right thing' and something which is part of her character and in evidence long before she won BB.
Did she have a right to ask him to intercede with his fans when as far as we know at least she's done nothing actively herself to help bring about an end to the situation, in terms of either asking her own fans to desist because she refuses to see that she also has fans who are just as bad as some of Johns or by making a statement that from now on she will let it drop and refrain from slagging him off in the press? No because you can't ask someone else to do what you're not willing to do yourself , you can't have it both ways ie do as I say but not as I do.
So the request fell on deaf ears and was rejected, he's done his usual thing of trying to deflect any kind of blame or resposibiltiy in this instance for the hate away from himself ie don't go on BB if you don't want any, totally chosing to ignore or acknowledge the fact that Josie isn't getting hate because she was in BB but because she was in a relationship with him that failed and instead of keeping the reasons for that failure to themselves they've both chosen to involve their respective fan bases via twitter, via magazines and via TV in what was always THEIR fight and a fight which should never have become the fans in the first place.”
“I'll say it again they're BOTH proud, fierce, scathing, savage and UNFORGIVING............
So when Journalists ask Josie questions about John she doesn't hold back with a No Comment, she follows the precedents set in their OK interview, the one where this whole sorry and public mess began, the one where they BOTH to put it into John's words just called it like they saw it and told THEIR version of the truth. That same interview which was the impetus and source of information the differing fan bases used to begin their own fight, with each side moralising and trying to win/prove their point, she was in the wrong, no he was in the wrong, you're deluded, no you're a fool, go kiss your idol's ass, no i'll hate on yours instead, tag mine in, it may get me noticed / a follow / a thankyou, I love and support you 100% John, I love and support you 100% Josie and so on and so on, every acusation and counter acusation since then just more fuel for the fire.........
and when Josie sees a
or #ff or a tweet of encouragement by John for a Josie uber hater what do you think her reaction is going to be? hurt? anger? indifference? disappointment? and the next time she's interviewed and someone asks her what she thinks of John and she's just maybe read another barage of abuse from one of those same haters/followers what do you think she's going to say, No comment? no hard feelings? he's a nice guy we just didn't work out? or he's a manipulator who liked to put me down? and when John reads the latest article or watches the latest clip to see what's been said about him what do you think his reaction is going to be? couldn't give a rip? nope doesn't seem like it does it, he's pissed off and good and mad, he's entitled to be pissed off, I would be too if someone were trashing my character publicly, the same way Josie was entitled to be pissed off when John did exactly the same thing to her
How dare he, how dare she. prick! fruit cake!........
Well they both dare and they're both responsible and accountable for what they've put out there
As far as Josie emailing John to ask him to in effect call off the dogs, was it wise, no, was it worded in a way that was likely to put his back up, looks that way 'I'm not afraid to take a stand', was it likely to get a favourable response given this sentence formed part of it 'retweet something like vote for me on 100percent people, Just something that tells them you don't agree with their behaviour' hardly as his response was 'Desperate times calls for desperate measures'
As far as John tweeting out that she'd contacted him to ask him to call off the dogs was that dignified, classy, praise worthy or was it just an opportunity he took advantage of in order to be able to once again publicly mock, ridicule,vent and try to humiliate Josie.
Was Josie's request to him soley for her own benefit, could have been but I highly doubt it, for one I don't think her pride would have let her contact him if it were JUST for her own benefit, she wouldn't have wanted to show that much vunerability to someone who in her own words she no longer trusts. However having said that she's seen like everyone else has how stupid the hate and fighting has become between the fringe elements of the fan bases and I do think she would have done it to try and help to stop that, One because I think she'd feel partly responsible/guilty and two because unlike John she always did have more of a social concience, awareness, sense of resposibility with regards to people beyond her immediate circle of close friends and family 'I hope a certain someone does the right thing' and something which is part of her character and in evidence long before she won BB.
Did she have a right to ask him to intercede with his fans when as far as we know at least she's done nothing actively herself to help bring about an end to the situation, in terms of either asking her own fans to desist because she refuses to see that she also has fans who are just as bad as some of Johns or by making a statement that from now on she will let it drop and refrain from slagging him off in the press? No because you can't ask someone else to do what you're not willing to do yourself , you can't have it both ways ie do as I say but not as I do.
So the request fell on deaf ears and was rejected, he's done his usual thing of trying to deflect any kind of blame or resposibiltiy in this instance for the hate away from himself ie don't go on BB if you don't want any, totally chosing to ignore or acknowledge the fact that Josie isn't getting hate because she was in BB but because she was in a relationship with him that failed and instead of keeping the reasons for that failure to themselves they've both chosen to involve their respective fan bases via twitter, via magazines and via TV in what was always THEIR fight and a fight which should never have become the fans in the first place.”
Morning
What a good post Killingtime and your spot on it was their fight not the fans on both sides
Very impressive post Killing Time. Very well balanced as Gussie said and very believable. You write very well. Do you do it for a living----if not you should think about it. You'd do well.
Morning Everyone Killingtime great post xx
Don't know if this was mentioned yesterday as a lot of posts were deleted but Shezha tweeted about John digging a hole for himself yesterday which John indirectly answered, he doesn't follow her and her tweets were protected so how did he see it think he must have another twitter account, wonder who else he follows on it 
xx
Killingtime great post xxDon't know if this was mentioned yesterday as a lot of posts were deleted but Shezha tweeted about John digging a hole for himself yesterday which John indirectly answered, he doesn't follow her and her tweets were protected so how did he see it
think he must have another twitter account, wonder who else he follows on it xx
im going to chill today, after all the stress !!of the last couple of days, i hate to think how our lovable pair feel, josie has acheived zilch, she tried to keep it private and has failed, he decided (his choice)
to go public, and that acheived for him zilch, except to let us all know hes still angry, but hey ho it has acheived the impossible, they have been in touch with each other, one directly with the email and directing twitter to him, he indirectly replying, but not directly to her,
i feel better than for the last couple of weeks, so i will just sit quitely and watch, got nothing else to was going to deliver about 40 local cards with my grandaughter, to find grandson has parked works van in front of garage and gone to bed, he was up at 5 and is back at work at 1, so all good plans ay
to go public, and that acheived for him zilch, except to let us all know hes still angry, but hey ho it has acheived the impossible, they have been in touch with each other, one directly with the email and directing twitter to him, he indirectly replying, but not directly to her,
i feel better than for the last couple of weeks, so i will just sit quitely and watch, got nothing else to was going to deliver about 40 local cards with my grandaughter, to find grandson has parked works van in front of garage and gone to bed, he was up at 5 and is back at work at 1, so all good plans ay
Originally Posted by lerdie:
“Morning Everyone Killingtime great post xx
Don't know if this was mentioned yesterday as a lot of posts were deleted but Shezha tweeted about John digging a hole for himself yesterday which John indirectly answered, he doesn't follow her and her tweets were protected so how did he see it think he must have another twitter account, wonder who else he follows on it xx”
“Morning Everyone
Killingtime great post xxDon't know if this was mentioned yesterday as a lot of posts were deleted but Shezha tweeted about John digging a hole for himself yesterday which John indirectly answered, he doesn't follow her and her tweets were protected so how did he see it
think he must have another twitter account, wonder who else he follows on it xx”
I think he also has access to muckers forever or someone on there is telling him in dm what is being said on there
Originally Posted by PICKLES60:
“I think he also has access to muckers forever or someone on there is telling him in dm what is being said on there”
“I think he also has access to muckers forever or someone on there is telling him in dm what is being said on there”
Morning Pickles, wishing your niece luck that she is a match for you
hows the arm will you have plaster on for xmas xxWhy do you think he has access to muckers forever ?
Originally Posted by lerdie:
“Morning Everyone Killingtime great post xx
Don't know if this was mentioned yesterday as a lot of posts were deleted but Shezha tweeted about John digging a hole for himself yesterday which John indirectly answered, he doesn't follow her and her tweets were protected so how did he see it think he must have another twitter account, wonder who else he follows on it xx”
“Morning Everyone
Killingtime great post xxDon't know if this was mentioned yesterday as a lot of posts were deleted but Shezha tweeted about John digging a hole for himself yesterday which John indirectly answered, he doesn't follow her and her tweets were protected so how did he see it
think he must have another twitter account, wonder who else he follows on it xx”
Could be unless one of his followers is letting him know by dm what is being tweeted
Originally Posted by andcb:
“Could be unless one of his followers is letting him know by dm what is being tweeted”
“Could be unless one of his followers is letting him know by dm what is being tweeted
”
Hi Andrea, yeah maybe but think its more than likely he has another account.
Are you all set for xmas ?
xx
Originally Posted by lerdie:
“Morning Pickles, wishing your niece luck that she is a match for you hows the arm will you have plaster on for xmas xx
Why do you think he has access to muckers forever ?”
“Morning Pickles, wishing your niece luck that she is a match for you
hows the arm will you have plaster on for xmas xxWhy do you think he has access to muckers forever ?
”
Because someone on there said don't tweet him
Originally Posted by lerdie:
“Hi Andrea, yeah maybe but think its more than likely he has another account.
Are you all set for xmas ? xx”
“Hi Andrea, yeah maybe but think its more than likely he has another account.
Are you all set for xmas ?
xx”
Yes I am more or less sorted now for Christmas just a case of getting the last food shop in this week. Hope you are sorted
I haven't got a plaster on yvonne just a collar and cuff I am going to the fracture clinic for a check up on Monday thanksx
[quote=killingtime;55346048]I'll say it again they're BOTH proud, fierce, scathing, savage and UNFORGIVING............
So when Journalists ask Josie questions about John she doesn't hold back with a No Comment, she follows the precedents set in their OK interview, the one where this whole sorry and public mess began, the one where they BOTH to put it into John's words just called it like they saw it and told THEIR version of the truth. That same interview which was the impetus and source of information the differing fan bases used to begin their own fight, with each side moralising and trying to win/prove their point, she was in the wrong, no he was in the wrong, you're deluded, no you're a fool, go kiss your idol's ass, no i'll hate on yours instead, tag mine in, it may get me noticed / a follow / a thankyou, I love and support you 100% John, I love and support you 100% Josie and so on and so on, every acusation and counter acusation since then just more fuel for the fire.........
and when Josie sees a or #ff or a tweet of encouragement by John for a Josie uber hater what do you think her reaction is going to be? hurt? anger? indifference? disappointment? and the next time she's interviewed and someone asks her what she thinks of John and she's just maybe read another barage of abuse from one of those same haters/followers what do you think she's going to say, No comment? no hard feelings? he's a nice guy we just didn't work out? or he's a manipulator who liked to put me down?
and when John reads the latest article or watches the latest clip to see what's been said about him what do you think his reaction is going to be? couldn't give a rip? nope doesn't seem like it does it, he's pissed off and good and mad, he's entitled to be pissed off, I would be too if someone were trashing my character publicly, the same way Josie was entitled to be pissed off when John did exactly the same thing to her
How dare he, how dare she. prick! fruit cake!........
Well they both dare and they're both responsible and accountable for what they've put out there
As far as Josie emailing John to ask him to in effect call off the dogs, was it wise, no, was it worded in a way that was likely to put his back up, looks that way 'I'm not afraid to take a stand', was it likely to get a favourable response given this sentence formed part of it 'retweet something like vote for me on 100percent people, Just something that tells them you don't agree with their behaviour' hardly as his response was 'Desperate times calls for desperate measures'
As far as John tweeting out that she'd contacted him to ask him to call off the dogs was that dignified, classy, praise worthy or was it just an opportunity he took advantage of in order to be able to once again publicly mock, ridicule,vent and try to humiliate Josie.
Was Josie's request to him soley for her own benefit, could have been but I highly doubt it, for one I don't think her pride would have let her contact him if it were JUST for her own benefit, she wouldn't have wanted to show that much vunerability to someone who in her own words she no longer trusts. However having said that she's seen like everyone else has how stupid the hate and fighting has become between the fringe elements of the fan bases and I do think she would have done it to try and help to stop that, One because I think she'd feel partly responsible/guilty and two because unlike John she always did have more of a social concience, awareness, sense of resposibility with regards to people beyond her immediate circle of close friends and family 'I hope a certain someone does the right thing' and something which is part of her character and in evidence long before she won BB.
Did she have a right to ask him to intercede with his fans when as far as we know at least she's done nothing actively herself to help bring about an end to the situation, in terms of either asking her own fans to desist because she refuses to see that she also has fans who are just as bad as some of Johns or by making a statement that from now on she will let it drop and refrain from slagging him off in the press? No because you can't ask someone else to do what you're not willing to do yourself , you can't have it both ways ie do as I say but not as I do.
So the request fell on deaf ears and was rejected, he's done his usual thing of trying to deflect any kind of blame or resposibiltiy in this instance for the hate away from himself ie don't go on BB if you don't want any, totally chosing to ignore or acknowledge the fact that Josie isn't getting hate because she was in BB but because she was in a relationship with him that failed and instead of keeping the reasons for that failure to themselves they've both chosen to involve their respective fan bases via twitter, via magazines and via TV in what was always THEIR fight and a fight which should never have become the fans in the first place.[/QUOTE)
I dont disagree with any of this, but rather see the situation from a different angle, and while I agree this may not be the most popular version on the thread and I may or may not get shot down I m going to put it out there, as things arent always as they appear and theres is imo a lot more to this than meets the eye.looking at the bigger picture, Both John and Josie could if they had wanted to severed contact a long time ago, but obviously they both still use some form of contact if not more than one means, its quite easy to block phone calls, emails or texts you dont have to communicate with someone if you dont wish to, However they have for whatever reason chosen not to do this and I am wondering why they are keeping lines of communication open when neither no longer care and and what appears to really dislike/hate one another. but I believe the reason goes deeper than this, its not difficult to see that this for the most part been a love/hate relationship, you know, cant live with you but cant live without you scenario. The fact that they live thousands of miles apart makes it more complex, if they were in the same country I believe matters could have been resolved one way or the other but because they dont it goes on.
It obvious that neither have truly 'moved on' either in their lives although Josie has to a degree in her new relationship, but she still mentions John all the time whether that it is negatively or not, he is still in her thoughts and stuck there in her mind. She s flaunted this new man in his face and when she could have kept it relatively private and on the safe side and then asked for his help in stopping the hate between the fans and hes acted true to form and erupted massively. Its such an overeaction to a simple request, its got to be another reason hes so angry. He doesnt care whats written about him in magazines, he never cared what other ppl thought or wrote about him and said so often. I dont think Josie cares whether she wins the stupid competition or not or about the hate tweets, shes become de-sensitised to them, but she is looking for some sort of reaction from him and she pushed him too far this time. He s so jealous. Remember in the house when she was flirting with Andrew and sometimes JJ he hated it. She was always pushing him and pushing him to get him to react, he said so at the airport when they parted and it seems little has changed in that area.
She called him a manipulator, but I think they are both as bad as one another, what she is doing is completely manipulative and he knows it but still cant change the way he responds or feels. I think she got what she wanted to know and that is that he still cares, there is so much feeling there still between them which is difficult to fathom, seeing much has gone on since they spilt, although John has remained relatively quiet he broke that silence this week and with a vengence. I cant believe his anger over a couple of emails, he may have felt too that she was using him to stop all the haters which he could have done if he had wanted to, but he is still angry and bitter. The only mistake they made is that they brought it all into the public forum for people to interfere, comment on and mock.
Tbh I feel sorry for both of them that they just dont know how to resolved their problems and call a truce or draw a line under it, but I fear it may continue until like a storm it eventually blows itself out, or they both come to terms with how they feel. It almost seems scripted if it wasnt real and thats what makes it so intriguing, dont know where it will all go from here but it will be interesting to see how it all works out over the next month or two.
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So when Journalists ask Josie questions about John she doesn't hold back with a No Comment, she follows the precedents set in their OK interview, the one where this whole sorry and public mess began, the one where they BOTH to put it into John's words just called it like they saw it and told THEIR version of the truth. That same interview which was the impetus and source of information the differing fan bases used to begin their own fight, with each side moralising and trying to win/prove their point, she was in the wrong, no he was in the wrong, you're deluded, no you're a fool, go kiss your idol's ass, no i'll hate on yours instead, tag mine in, it may get me noticed / a follow / a thankyou, I love and support you 100% John, I love and support you 100% Josie and so on and so on, every acusation and counter acusation since then just more fuel for the fire.........
and when Josie sees a
or #ff or a tweet of encouragement by John for a Josie uber hater what do you think her reaction is going to be? hurt? anger? indifference? disappointment? and the next time she's interviewed and someone asks her what she thinks of John and she's just maybe read another barage of abuse from one of those same haters/followers what do you think she's going to say, No comment? no hard feelings? he's a nice guy we just didn't work out? or he's a manipulator who liked to put me down? and when John reads the latest article or watches the latest clip to see what's been said about him what do you think his reaction is going to be? couldn't give a rip? nope doesn't seem like it does it, he's pissed off and good and mad, he's entitled to be pissed off, I would be too if someone were trashing my character publicly, the same way Josie was entitled to be pissed off when John did exactly the same thing to her
How dare he, how dare she. prick! fruit cake!........
Well they both dare and they're both responsible and accountable for what they've put out there
As far as Josie emailing John to ask him to in effect call off the dogs, was it wise, no, was it worded in a way that was likely to put his back up, looks that way 'I'm not afraid to take a stand', was it likely to get a favourable response given this sentence formed part of it 'retweet something like vote for me on 100percent people, Just something that tells them you don't agree with their behaviour' hardly as his response was 'Desperate times calls for desperate measures'
As far as John tweeting out that she'd contacted him to ask him to call off the dogs was that dignified, classy, praise worthy or was it just an opportunity he took advantage of in order to be able to once again publicly mock, ridicule,vent and try to humiliate Josie.
Was Josie's request to him soley for her own benefit, could have been but I highly doubt it, for one I don't think her pride would have let her contact him if it were JUST for her own benefit, she wouldn't have wanted to show that much vunerability to someone who in her own words she no longer trusts. However having said that she's seen like everyone else has how stupid the hate and fighting has become between the fringe elements of the fan bases and I do think she would have done it to try and help to stop that, One because I think she'd feel partly responsible/guilty and two because unlike John she always did have more of a social concience, awareness, sense of resposibility with regards to people beyond her immediate circle of close friends and family 'I hope a certain someone does the right thing' and something which is part of her character and in evidence long before she won BB.
Did she have a right to ask him to intercede with his fans when as far as we know at least she's done nothing actively herself to help bring about an end to the situation, in terms of either asking her own fans to desist because she refuses to see that she also has fans who are just as bad as some of Johns or by making a statement that from now on she will let it drop and refrain from slagging him off in the press? No because you can't ask someone else to do what you're not willing to do yourself , you can't have it both ways ie do as I say but not as I do.
So the request fell on deaf ears and was rejected, he's done his usual thing of trying to deflect any kind of blame or resposibiltiy in this instance for the hate away from himself ie don't go on BB if you don't want any, totally chosing to ignore or acknowledge the fact that Josie isn't getting hate because she was in BB but because she was in a relationship with him that failed and instead of keeping the reasons for that failure to themselves they've both chosen to involve their respective fan bases via twitter, via magazines and via TV in what was always THEIR fight and a fight which should never have become the fans in the first place.[/QUOTE)
I dont disagree with any of this, but rather see the situation from a different angle, and while I agree this may not be the most popular version on the thread and I may or may not get shot down I m going to put it out there, as things arent always as they appear and theres is imo a lot more to this than meets the eye.looking at the bigger picture, Both John and Josie could if they had wanted to severed contact a long time ago, but obviously they both still use some form of contact if not more than one means, its quite easy to block phone calls, emails or texts you dont have to communicate with someone if you dont wish to, However they have for whatever reason chosen not to do this and I am wondering why they are keeping lines of communication open when neither no longer care and and what appears to really dislike/hate one another. but I believe the reason goes deeper than this, its not difficult to see that this for the most part been a love/hate relationship, you know, cant live with you but cant live without you scenario. The fact that they live thousands of miles apart makes it more complex, if they were in the same country I believe matters could have been resolved one way or the other but because they dont it goes on.
It obvious that neither have truly 'moved on' either in their lives although Josie has to a degree in her new relationship, but she still mentions John all the time whether that it is negatively or not, he is still in her thoughts and stuck there in her mind. She s flaunted this new man in his face and when she could have kept it relatively private and on the safe side and then asked for his help in stopping the hate between the fans and hes acted true to form and erupted massively. Its such an overeaction to a simple request, its got to be another reason hes so angry. He doesnt care whats written about him in magazines, he never cared what other ppl thought or wrote about him and said so often. I dont think Josie cares whether she wins the stupid competition or not or about the hate tweets, shes become de-sensitised to them, but she is looking for some sort of reaction from him and she pushed him too far this time. He s so jealous. Remember in the house when she was flirting with Andrew and sometimes JJ he hated it. She was always pushing him and pushing him to get him to react, he said so at the airport when they parted and it seems little has changed in that area.
She called him a manipulator, but I think they are both as bad as one another, what she is doing is completely manipulative and he knows it but still cant change the way he responds or feels. I think she got what she wanted to know and that is that he still cares, there is so much feeling there still between them which is difficult to fathom, seeing much has gone on since they spilt, although John has remained relatively quiet he broke that silence this week and with a vengence. I cant believe his anger over a couple of emails, he may have felt too that she was using him to stop all the haters which he could have done if he had wanted to, but he is still angry and bitter. The only mistake they made is that they brought it all into the public forum for people to interfere, comment on and mock.
Tbh I feel sorry for both of them that they just dont know how to resolved their problems and call a truce or draw a line under it, but I fear it may continue until like a storm it eventually blows itself out, or they both come to terms with how they feel. It almost seems scripted if it wasnt real and thats what makes it so intriguing, dont know where it will all go from here but it will be interesting to see how it all works out over the next month or two.
Last edited by 2Judy : 17-12-2011 at 12:06
Originally Posted by NicLau08:
“ You write very well. Do you do it for a living----if not you should think about it. You'd do well.”
“ You write very well. Do you do it for a living----if not you should think about it. You'd do well.”
Thankyou. I'm not a writer though, actually Maths was always my thing
maybe that's why everyone keeps telling me I'm balanced lol just kidding I do appreciate the sentiments people, not kidding about the maths though I like things which add up or make sense
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