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Old 09-12-2011, 13:53
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Noddy Holder said in a recent interview with BBC radio he was asked if,Rock music is dead he said no just gone flat and dull.Run out of gas when all the club people started coming like Fat boy slim and that whole Ibiza music.And bands were finding hard to comeback from it and everything becoming all tech and computer.And just kids shouting and sceaming like what you see on scuzz for no reason,and thinking there too cool and in fashion.MTV does not play rock music anymore unless it Coldplay you can't say there rock nice lad but there not rock music.I think the last time rock music was at it's high was in the late 80's and most of the 90's and that was it.Rocks not dead there always be more rock bands but they won't be as big as the one's in the past,they would need the right money the right people and the exposer pop music gets like Lady Ga Ga gets 24/7.
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Old 09-12-2011, 14:04
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For great rock music you need to ignore the charts and commercial radio but there are quite a lot of good bands out there if you look hard enough. Here in NI there is an annual festival near Draperstown that celebrates local unsigned talent and it is hugely popular.
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Old 09-12-2011, 15:08
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Maybe rock isn't that big on the radio or MTV or being promoted in the media, but there are still some commercial rock bands that break through and that young people love.
It's not all about computers. There are lots of younger people that are learning to play instruments too. My friend's teenage son is learning to play the drums and he is really into bands like the Foo Fighters and My Chemical Romance.
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Old 09-12-2011, 15:24
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Rock N Roll will never die.... because Neil Young said so
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Old 09-12-2011, 15:25
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The National is the best rock band of the last ten years. There are still some great rock bands out there you've just got to look past what's in the top 40 to find most of it.
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Old 09-12-2011, 18:06
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It depends how you define rock being "dead".

It's not very present in the charts, and young people, for the most part, don't seem to listen to rock music anymore. All they listen to is electropop music like Firework, Only Girl, etc.

But I'd still say it's one of the most popular genres. Just that it's children and teenagers that control what's in the charts, so rock music is obviously not going to show up there.
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Old 09-12-2011, 18:10
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I'm too busy listening to great rock music to worry about it whether it's dead or not.
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Old 09-12-2011, 18:11
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It depends how you define rock being "dead".

It's not very present in the charts, and young people, for the most part, don't seem to listen to rock music anymore. All they listen to is electropop music like Firework, Only Girl, etc.

But I'd still say it's one of the most popular genres. Just that it's children and teenagers that control what's in the charts, so rock music is obviously not going to show up there.
I'd disagree TBH it's all there to find if you look there are loads of rock bands that sell tours and breakthrough it's just young people have divided mostly into subcultures so it isn't as prevalent as it once was.
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Old 09-12-2011, 18:11
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How many times is Karl Rove going to post this same topic with a different quotation every time?

I mean, I agree with the sentiment in question, but seriously, enough is enough!
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:28
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For great rock music you need to ignore the charts and commercial radio but there are quite a lot of good bands out there if you look hard enough. Here in NI there is an annual festival near Draperstown that celebrates local unsigned talent and it is hugely popular.
wouldnt the fact that you have to look hard enough confirm that rock isnt dead but gone flat?... because if it was thatalive and thriving we wouldnt have to search for it.

somehow its out of fashion, maybe many, like me, are rather tired of rock, weve heard it all before, theres nowt new under the sun..
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Old 18-12-2011, 18:32
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Kasabian said something kind of like this.

http://www.nme.com/news/kasabian/61036
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Old 18-12-2011, 18:42
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Having SLTS back in the charts and yes i know it's 20 years old but still just to have it back on radio and heard by young listeners would be a good and might inspire more bands to form. There has been cycles of popular rock in the mainstream grunge,indie rock,nu metal,emo etc but they all die down apart from one or two bands that last outside of the popularity phase Nirvana,Oasis,Linkin Park,My Chemical Romance. However it is obvious that there are hardly any rock groups doing really well at the moment but it's waiting for the next cycle.
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Old 18-12-2011, 18:50
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kings of leon are massive at the mo..multi platinum albums and top 10 hits
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Old 18-12-2011, 20:10
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I'm too busy listening to great rock music to worry about it whether it's dead or not.

You and me both!
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Old 19-12-2011, 10:41
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wouldnt the fact that you have to look hard enough confirm that rock isnt dead but gone flat?... because if it was thatalive and thriving we wouldnt have to search for it.
If the mainstream media covered Rock music to the same extent as Chart music you wouldn't have to search for it. However as mainstream media refuse to cover Rock music, having to search for it has become a necessity.

Even the Mercury Music Prize, which is supposed to showcase the best in British music, refuses to include large swathes of Rock music that is produced by British bands.

somehow its out of fashion, maybe many, like me, are rather tired of rock, weve heard it all before, theres nowt new under the sun..
When was Rock music ever truly in fashion? In saying that, though, attendances at rock gigs and festivals are holding up much better than other genres so "being in fashion" can't be that much of an issue.

As for "heard it all before", why do people only say that about Rock music when you could level the same at every other form of music. Dance music? Simply re-mix any Tangerine Dream album of the 1970s to a dance beat and job done - heard it all before....

The best, new, and inventive, Rock music has always needed to be sought out. That was true in the 1970s, the likes of Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd were hardly staples of daytime Radio 1 back then were they, and it's still true today. There is plenty of very good new stuff out there all it needs is to spend a little time to find it, and with the likes of Spotify even that doesn't take too much effort now.
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Old 19-12-2011, 10:43
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Rock music in the mainstream becomes a watered down, commercial product so I am happy for it to remain outside the mainstream and maintain it's integrity.
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Old 19-12-2011, 13:45
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I think if a rock song ever did get into the charts again, everybody would just start saying it's a pop song tbh.
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Old 19-12-2011, 13:59
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I think if a rock song ever did get into the charts again, everybody would just start saying it's a pop song tbh.
To be honest I don't think many Rock bands, or fans for that matter, are bothered if that happens or not.

For Rock bands a single only served one purpose, to promote a forth-coming album. Now, with the rise of the Internet that promotion can be achieved by releasing a song as a free MP3 download to whet the fans appetite, which is what many bands do now.

So if Rock bands aren't releasing paid-for singles then fans can't buy them and so the band won't make the singles chart.
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Old 19-12-2011, 19:03
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If the mainstream media covered Rock music to the same extent as Chart music you wouldn't have to search for it. However as mainstream media refuse to cover Rock music, having to search for it has become a necessity.
they dont cover it because it isnt popular amongst the young...which is what chart material is aimed at.

When was Rock music ever truly in fashion?
are you kidding?... from the late 60's into the late 80's, and arguably beyond into the grunge/britpop eras of the early/mid 90's.

it had its heyday in the 70's, with many decent rock tracks charting in the singles chart,

As for "heard it all before", why do people only say that about Rock music when you could level the same at every other form of music. Dance music? Simply re-mix any Tangerine Dream album of the 1970s to a dance beat and job done - heard it all before....
...i DO level that comment at other genres of music... and that last bits abit of a sweeping statement.

trouble is with all music, most of it nowdays is a rehash of earlier styles... not only rock... but somehow rock itself doesnt appear to have adapted its sound, updated it... ok imho it went through a mini revival 10 years ago with acts like qotsa, white stripes, hives, and others producing some of the best rock ever (imho) , but even they have gone... ive heard nothing in recent years that is new, exciting, fresh, or retro but done with style....
The best, new, and inventive, Rock music has always needed to be sought out. That was true in the 1970s, the likes of Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd were hardly staples of daytime Radio 1 back then were they, and it's still true today. There is plenty of very good new stuff out there all it needs is to spend a little time to find it, and with the likes of Spotify even that doesn't take too much effort now.
nonsense.... big acts like those were too up themselves to bother with the looked down on singles chart...but many other acts were commonly found in the singles charts producing great rock... motorhead, acdc, atomic rooster, whitesnake, nazereth, iron maiden, thin lizzy, sweet, etc etc etc.... rock was the genre to listen to and the singles charts were the showcase, daytime radio 1 and totp played rock proportionately to its reprisentation in the charts.

if rock was commercial today, it would be pushed by the business, advertised in the singles chart in the way it was in the past. it isnt because its not so popular , and its not so popular because todays acts are piss poor copycats to the pasts superior sounds. why have second rate tribute acts when you can listen to superior original artists?
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Old 19-12-2011, 19:21
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To be honest I don't think many Rock bands, or fans for that matter, are bothered if that happens or not.

For Rock bands a single only served one purpose, to promote a forth-coming album. Now, with the rise of the Internet that promotion can be achieved by releasing a song as a free MP3 download to whet the fans appetite, which is what many bands do now.

So if Rock bands aren't releasing paid-for singles then fans can't buy them and so the band won't make the singles chart.
I know the artists and fans themselves might not mind if the song gets classified as pop, but the thing is, if every rock song that charts suddenly becomes a pop song, then, by definition, a rock song can't even get into the chart!

I don't think the free downloads matter that much, since RnB and hip hop artists often release whole albums for free (they call them mixtapes), and still have success.

And the biggest songs of 2009 and 2010 in the US (Boom Boom Pow by the Black Eyed Peas and Tik Tok by Ke$ha respectively) were both originally put up for free download, so I do think you can have hits in the singles chart and be popular even if you do give out a lot of material for free (see: Tinie Tempah, 50 Cent, Chris Brown, and many others).

I do think rock music is popular though. It's quite obvious that lots of people like it. I just think the fans of the genre aren't the type that'll download individual songs. They prefer to buy albums and go to live shows, for the most part. And the artists themselves care more about the album sales, etc.
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Old 19-12-2011, 19:59
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if rock was commercial today, it would be pushed by the business, advertised in the singles chart in the way it was in the past. it isnt because its not so popular , and its not so popular because todays acts are piss poor copycats to the pasts superior sounds. why have second rate tribute acts when you can listen to superior original artists?
Rock can still be commercial today. Trouble is it sounds like Nickelback and Kings of Leon and I don't think any of us really want more of that.

I disagree that the reason rock isn't popular (i.e. in the charts) is because none of it is any good. It's got more to do with it being out of fashion with big record companies and radio stations and the casual music buyers/general public. It's a terrible time to be a new band at the moment because there is little desire for them.

There is still good rock music around. If you listened to more of what's out there you probably wouldn't have the "it can't be very good because it it's not popular" attitude.
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Old 19-12-2011, 20:13
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To be fair, alot of rock is starting to sound a bit smaey, time for something new to come along if you ask me!
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Old 19-12-2011, 20:27
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To be fair, alot of rock is starting to sound a bit smaey, time for something new to come along if you ask me!
Dance music all sounds the same too though.
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Old 19-12-2011, 20:29
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Dance music all sounds the same too though.
Maybe we need something new for that then too!
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Old 19-12-2011, 20:34
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Maybe we need something new for that then too!
We definitely do.

But I meant, dance is the biggest genre in the charts at the moment, so likewize, it all sounding the same wouldn't stop rock music being in the charts.

I think it's just that people who like rock music buy albums more tbh.
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