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Sports Commentators (non-football) (Part 2)
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The Difference
06-12-2015
From a trailer I saw on Match of the Day tonight, I notice that BBC Two will be showing the Oxford v Cambridge Varsity rugby union game on Thursday afternoon.

I thought it was fairly curious that the BBC would pick up rights to a one-off, minority interest university game played during weekday daytime hours - particularly given the cuts the BBC have announced they are planning to make to their sports budget. With reports on Friday suggesting they are planning not to renew their contract with the BDO World Darts Championship, it appears that even events that require comparably modest amounts of money to acquire rights to and produce are threatened by this.

I'm guessing the cost of the rights to this game were minimal, if anything at all? I think I'm right in saying that the Varsity game has been televised on Sky Sports in the past, so with them cost cutting as well (i.e. discontinuing shows like Tight Lines and Ringside) perhaps Sky dropped it, allowing the BBC to come in and pick the game up for free simply for the exposure it would bring? That's pure speculation on my part, but I'd be surprised if the BBC are prepared to pay for rights to something like this when they are cutting other areas of their sports output.
OMc
06-12-2015
Originally Posted by The Difference:
“From a trailer I saw on Match of the Day tonight, I notice that BBC Two will be showing the Oxford v Cambridge Varsity rugby union game on Thursday afternoon.

I thought it was fairly curious that the BBC would pick up rights to a one-off, minority interest university game played during weekday daytime hours - particularly given the cuts the BBC have announced they are planning to make to their sports budget. With reports on Friday suggesting they are planning not to renew their contract with the BDO World Darts Championship, it appears that even events that require comparably modest amounts of money to acquire rights to and produce are threatened by this.

I'm guessing the cost of the rights to this game were minimal, if anything at all? I think I'm right in saying that the Varsity game has been televised on Sky Sports in the past, so with them cost cutting as well (i.e. discontinuing shows like Tight Lines and Ringside) perhaps Sky dropped it, allowing the BBC to come in and pick the game up for free simply for the exposure it would bring? That's pure speculation on my part, but I'd be surprised if the BBC are prepared to pay for rights to something like this when they are cutting other areas of their sports output.”

I believe it used to be sold by the RFU as part of their rights package which included England's home friendlies, the LV Cup and the Championship, as well as other minor one-off matches like this.

Presumably as we have a new contract this season that is no longer the case.

Either it is part of the highlights package held by the BBC (probably unlikely) or it was sold separately, in which case it is fairly surprising that it has ended up where it has, rather than on Sky/BT/ITV, but I guess the Thursday afternoon slot is even worse if you have to carry advertising.
Alex2606
06-12-2015
Originally Posted by OMc:
“I believe it used to be sold by the RFU as part of their rights package which included England's home friendlies, the LV Cup and the Championship, as well as other minor one-off matches like this.

Presumably as we have a new contract this season that is no longer the case.

Either it is part of the highlights package held by the BBC (probably unlikely) or it was sold separately, in which case it is fairly surprising that it has ended up where it has, rather than on Sky/BT/ITV, but I guess the Thursday afternoon slot is even worse if you have to carry advertising.”

It was announced around the same time as the BBC RFU highlights package and lasts for five years so I think it was an individual piece of the general deals being negotiated then. I think Sky lost some interest the more it began to clash with European fixtures.

Will be a nice fit for the BBC this year, they can go heavily on Jamie Roberts playing for Cambridge
Jeffmister
06-12-2015
Originally Posted by OMc:
“I believe it used to be sold by the RFU as part of their rights package which included England's home friendlies, the LV Cup and the Championship, as well as other minor one-off matches like this.

Presumably as we have a new contract this season that is no longer the case.

Either it is part of the highlights package held by the BBC (probably unlikely) or it was sold separately, in which case it is fairly surprising that it has ended up where it has, rather than on Sky/BT/ITV, but I guess the Thursday afternoon slot is even worse if you have to carry advertising.”

The varsity game was bundled with the rights of England's Autumn matches that the BBC renewed earlier in the year
clever3000
06-12-2015
Originally Posted by mlt11:
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3) Simon Reed is commentating - don't remember him ever commentating on Sky before.”

Good to hear him on Sky, he is one of the best Tennis commentators out there, always feel that the BBC under use him at Wimbledon, he is good enough to commentate on either final and is certainly a stronger commentator than both BBC Wimbledon final commentators this year (Andrew Castle and John Inverdale).
The Difference
06-12-2015
OMc, Alex and Jeffmeister, thanks very much for the information regarding BBC TV's rights to the Varsity game. It makes much more sense that they are showing this now that I know it was bundled in with the rest of the RFU rights that they have recently renewed.
OMc
07-12-2015
Aviva Premiership Rugby - Sunday 6 December (BT Sport 1)

Round 6 - Newcastle Falcons v Saracens

Craig Doyle in the studio with Ugo Monye and Jack Nowell.

Commentators: Nick Mullins, Ben Kay & Rob Vickerman

Reporter: Martin Bayfield


Aviva Premiership Rugby - Sunday 6 December (ITV)

Round 6 Highlights

Mark Durden-Smith at Kingston Park with David Flatman.

BAT v NOR: Alastair Eykyn, David Flatman & Andy Goode (as BT Sport)

GLO v SAL: Alastair Eykyn, Lawrence Dallaglio and Austin Healey (as BT Sport)
HAR v LIR: Richard Henwood (reporting)

WOR v LEIC: Martin Gillingham
WAS v EXE: Nick Mullins, Ben Kay & Austin Healey (as BT Sport)

NEW v SAR: Nick Mullins, Ben Kay & Rob Vickerman (as BT Sport)

Other full-match commentaries on premiershiprugby.tv:
WOR v LEIC: Nick Heath
I can't find Quins-Irish on the website to check the commentator.
Alex2606
07-12-2015
Originally Posted by OMc:
“Other full-match commentaries on premiershiprugby.tv:
WOR v LEIC: Nick Heath
I can't find Quins-Irish on the website to check the commentator.”

It was Jonathan Harris-Bass
OMc
10-12-2015
The Varsity Match - Thursday 10 December (BBC)

Women's Varsity Match - Cambridge v Oxford (BBC Red Button)

Commentators: Sara Orchard & Sue Day

Men's Varsity Match - Cambridge v Oxford (BBC Two)

John Inverdale at Twickenham with Simon Halliday and Damian Hopley.

Commentators: Andrew Cotter & Brian Moore

Reporter: Sara Orchard
David_Shield
11-12-2015
Originally Posted by OMc:
“The Varsity Match - Thursday 10 December (BBC)

Women's Varsity Match - Cambridge v Oxford (BBC Red Button)

Commentators: Sara Orchard & Sue Day

Men's Varsity Match - Cambridge v Oxford (BBC Two)

John Inverdale at Twickenham with Simon Halliday and Damian Hopley.

Commentators: Andrew Cotter & Brian Moore

Reporter: Sara Orchard”

Its 19 years since the BBC last broadcast the Varsity Match and I think that was the last time Damian Hopley appeared on the BBC as the pundit!

If anyone is interested that day Damian joined Steve Rider in the studio and Nigel Starmer-Smith in the commentary box.
OMc
12-12-2015
The rugby details so far before I disappear for the rest of the weekend:

European Rugby Champions Cup - Round 3

Friday 11 December

Pool 1: Ulster v Toulouse (BT Sport Europe)
Craig Doyle at Ravenhill with Brian O’Driscoll, Ben Kay and Paddy Wallace.
Commentators: Nick Mullins, Ben Kay and Brian O’Driscoll
Reporter: Chris Hollins

Saturday 12 December

Pool 3: Glasgow Warriors v Scarlets (Sky Sports 3)
Alex Payne at Sandy Park with Will Greenwood, Scott Quinnell and Rory Lawson.
Commentators: Mark Robson and Ieuan Evans
Reporter: Rupert Cox

Pool 3: Racing 92 v Northampton Saints (BT Sport Europe)
Martin Bayfield in the studio with Paul Grayson and Ali Williams.
Commentators: Alastair Eykyn, Lawrence Dallaglio and Ugo Monye
Reporter: Sarra Elgan

Pool 3: Benetton Treviso v Stade Français (BT Sport Extra 2)
Commentators: Andrew Cotter and David Flatman

Pool 2: Exeter Chiefs v Clermont Auvergne (Sky Sports 3)
Alex Payne at Sandy Park with Will Greenwood, Scott Quinnell and Rory Lawson.
Commentators: Miles Harrison and Stuart Barnes

Pool 2: Ospreys v Bordeaux-Bègles (Sky Sports 5)
James Gemmell at the Liberty Stadium with Dewi Morris.
Commentators: Martin Gillingham and Dewi Morris
OMc
12-12-2015
Pool 4: Munster v Leicester Tigers (BT Sport Europe)
Craig Doyle at Thomond Park with Brian O’Driscoll, Ben Kay and Donncha O’Callaghan.
Commentators: Nick Mullins, Ben Kay and Brian O’Driscoll
Reporter: Chris Hollins
Tony Yeboah
17-12-2015
English Indoor Bowls: Premier 3s Grand Final- Olly Hogben and Paul Coleman on Eurosport
Tony Yeboah
17-12-2015
Jimmy Magee has won a 'Life in Sport' special award
https://www.sportmediapearlawards.co...ent-849.action
He's described as the ' longest-serving sports commentator in the English-speaking world'. Vin Scully anyone?
OMc
20-12-2015
Just trying to collect the rugby comms details now I'm back.

Miles Harrison was incredibly hoarse on Thursday evening!
OMc
20-12-2015
Here are Sunday's match details in full. I will post a full commentators list for Rounds 3 and 4 later, unless someone has the presentation details for last Sunday and the rest of this weekend.

European Rugby Champions Cup - Round 4

Sunday 20 December

Pool 1: Toulouse v Ulster (Sky Sports 3)
Alex Payne in the studio with Will Greenwood and Tyrone Howe.
Commentators: Martin Gillingham and Dewi Morris

Pool 2: Clermont Auvergne v Exeter Chiefs (Sky Sports 3)
Alex Payne in the studio with Will Greenwood and Tyrone Howe.
Commentators: Johnnie Hammond and Stuart Barnes
Reporter: Graham Simmons

Pool 4: Leicester Tigers v Munster (BT Sport Europe)
Craig Doyle in the studio with Lawrence Dallaglio and Brian O'Driscoll.
Commentators: Alastair Eykyn, Ben Kay and Peter Stringer
Reporter: Martin Bayfield
pakokelso93
20-12-2015
I've not seen any IRB 7s stuff yet - are Sky still doing their own studio stuff or with the cuts across the board dropped it? 7s is one thing with the commentary continuing game after game they might have.

Just realised over past few weeks that Sky (a bit like some of their Super Rugby) have basically dropped all studio stuff on the Top 14.
ftakeith
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Tony Yeboah:
“Jimmy Magee has won a 'Life in Sport' special award
https://www.sportmediapearlawards.co...ent-849.action
He's described as the ' longest-serving sports commentator in the English-speaking world'. Vin Scully anyone?”

Magee's autobiography is a great read
Alex2606
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by pakokelso93:
“I've not seen any IRB 7s stuff yet - are Sky still doing their own studio stuff or with the cuts across the board dropped it? 7s is one thing with the commentary continuing game after game they might have.

Just realised over past few weeks that Sky (a bit like some of their Super Rugby) have basically dropped all studio stuff on the Top 14.”

For the first round in Dubai they didn't have any studio stuff and just took the feed, but they did have Johnnie Hammond as part of the commentary team and Rupert Cox reporting.

I didn't see much of the second round but presume it was just the feed again as most of it went on the red button behind the Champions Cup
OMc
22-12-2015
As promised, though I did have to do a little bit of guesswork:

European Rugby - Round 3


European Rugby Champions Cup

Friday 11 December

Pool 1: Ulster v Toulouse (BT Sport Europe)
Commentators: Nick Mullins, Ben Kay and Brian O’Driscoll

Saturday 12 December

Pool 3: Glasgow Warriors v Scarlets (Sky Sports 3)
Commentators: Mark Robson and Ieuan Evans

Pool 3: Racing 92 v Northampton Saints (BT Sport Europe)
Commentators: Alastair Eykyn, Lawrence Dallaglio and Ugo Monye

Pool 3: Benetton Treviso v Stade Français (BT Sport Extra 2)
Commentators: Andrew Cotter and David Flatman

Pool 2: Exeter Chiefs v Clermont Auvergne (Sky Sports 3)
Commentators: Miles Harrison and Stuart Barnes

Pool 2: Ospreys v Bordeaux-Bègles (Sky Sports 5)
Commentators: Martin Gillingham and Dewi Morris

Pool 4: Munster v Leicester Tigers (BT Sport Europe)
Commentators: Nick Mullins, Ben Kay and Brian O’Driscoll

Sunday 13 December

Pool 1: Oyonnax v Saracens (Sky Sports 3)
Commentators: Johnnie Hammond and Pat Sanderson

Pool 5: Toulon v Leinster (Sky Sports 3)
Commentators: Mark Robson and Shane Horgan

Pool 5: Wasps v Bath (BT Sport Europe)
Commentators: Alastair Eykyn, David Flatman and Austin Healey

European Rugby Challenge Cup

Thursday 10 December

Pool 3: Worcester Warriors v Gloucester (Sky Sports 2)
Commentators: Miles Harrison and Stuart Barnes

European Rugby - Round 4


European Rugby Champions Cup

Friday 18 December

Pool 3: Northampton Saints v Racing 92 (BT Sport Europe)
Commentators: Nick Mullins, Ben Kay and Austin Healey

Saturday 19 December

Pool 1: Saracens v Oyonnax (Sky Sports 3)
Commentators: Johnnie Hammond and Stuart Barnes

Pool 5: Bath v Wasps (BT Sport Europe)
Commentators: Alastair Eykyn, Lawrence Dallaglio and Brian O’Driscoll

Pool 3: Stade Français v Benetton Treviso (BT Sport 2)
Commentators: Andrew Cotter and Ugo Monye

Pool 5: Leinster v Toulon (Sky Sports 3)
Commentators: Mark Robson and Ieuan Evans

Pool 2: Bordeaux-Bègles v Ospreys (Sky Sports 4)
Commentators: Simon Ward and Jonathan Thomas??

Pool 3: Scarlets v Glasgow Warriors (BT Sport Europe)
Commentators: Nick Mullins, Ryan Jones and Andy Nicol

Sunday 20 December

Pool 1: Toulouse v Ulster (Sky Sports 3)
Commentators: Martin Gillingham and Dewi Morris

Pool 2: Clermont Auvergne v Exeter Chiefs (Sky Sports 3)
Commentators: Johnnie Hammond and Stuart Barnes

Pool 4: Leicester Tigers v Munster (BT Sport Europe)
Commentators: Alastair Eykyn, Ben Kay and Peter Stringer

European Rugby Challenge Cup

Thursday 17 December

Pool 3: Gloucester v Worcester Warriors (Sky Sports 4)
Commentators: Miles Harrison and Stuart Barnes
Tony Yeboah
26-12-2015
RTÉ Racing (weather permitting)

The Christmas Festival from Leopardstown- Robert Hall presents, with analysis by Ted Walsh, Andrew McNamara, Brian Gleeson, Tom Lee and Tracy Piggott, and commentary by Tony O'Hehir and Richard Pugh.

BDO World Darts Championship on the BBC

Colin Murray is joined by Bobby George to present. Commentary by Tony Green, Vassos Alexander, John Rawling and George Riley.
Akilduff
26-12-2015
Originally Posted by Tony Yeboah:
“Jimmy Magee has won a 'Life in Sport' special award
https://www.sportmediapearlawards.co...ent-849.action
He's described as the ' longest-serving sports commentator in the English-speaking world'. Vin Scully anyone?”

I think you're right. Jimmy Magee wouldn't have started until 1956.

In much the same way "the world's longest-running chat show" The Late Late Show started eight years after The Tonight Show.
Akilduff
26-12-2015
Originally Posted by Tony Yeboah:
“BDO World Darts Championship on the BBC

Colin Murray is joined by Bobby George to present. Commentary by Tony Green, Vassos Alexander, John Rawling and George Riley.”

Jim Proudfoot was excellent on this last year.
Hayden
26-12-2015
Originally Posted by Akilduff:
“Jim Proudfoot was excellent on this last year.”

Tony Green was absolutely shocking. I really thought they would have pensioned him off after his performance last year.
David_Shield
27-12-2015
If this is to be the BBC's last showing showing the Lakeside Darts then I'd keep Tony Green for it, I presume next year BT would not use him.

Shame if Jim Proudfoot is not going to be on this year he has been a great member of the team in recent years but I'm pleased to see John Rawling involved again.

Noticed there is no Darts Extra shows this year on BBC2.
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