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Sports Commentators (non-football) (Part 2)
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sporter92
03-07-2012
Gasquet v Mayer – Andrew Cotter & Paul Hand
Murray v Cilic – Simon Reed, John Lloyd & Pat Cash
Ferrer v Del Potro – Andrew Castle & Greg Rusedski
Brian Baker v Kohlschreiber – Nick Mullins & Jason Goodall
smurfs5
03-07-2012
Williams v Kvitova : David Mercer, Lindsay Davenport & John McEnroe
Radwanska v Kirilenko : Barry Davies & Sam Smith
IanFergus
03-07-2012
Is anybody here able to find out ESPN2's announcing teams for the United States? I am wondering which matches John McEnroe is covering for them.
Darren Lethem
03-07-2012
Lisicki V Kerber – Chris Bradnam and Virgina Wade
Paszek V Azarenka – Matt Chilton and Tracy Austin
LOSG
03-07-2012
Originally Posted by IanFergus:
“Is anybody here able to find out ESPN2's announcing teams for the United States? I am wondering which matches John McEnroe is covering for them.”

You can normally work it out or see him in the commentary box during play.

He normally does the Men's match on centre that he doesn't cover for the BBC.
wdown08
03-07-2012
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Athletics - European championships

Hosted by Jonathan Edwards from Salford with Colin Jackson and Denise Lewis
Commentary from Helsinki by Steve Cram and Paul Dickenson

Odd hearing Crammy doing field events

Edit - the comms were off tube in Salford”

Normally at least half a dozen channels present athletics championships on site from studios within the stadium - BBC/C4, SVT Sweden, YLE Finland, ARD/ZDF Germany, France Televisions, RAI Italy, and for worlds, TBS in Japan.

This year none of them did, and even though it was on their own patch, YLE's studio was in a strange position in a "fan zone" outside the stadium.

Perhaps it's something that wasn't offered this time, or they were saving all their powder for the Olympics.
shelsey93
03-07-2012
Originally Posted by wdown08:
“Normally at least half a dozen channels present athletics championships on site from studios within the stadium - BBC/C4, SVT Sweden, YLE Finland, ARD/ZDF Germany, France Televisions, RAI Italy, and for worlds, TBS in Japan.

This year none of them did, and even though it was on their own patch, YLE's studio was in a strange position in a "fan zone" outside the stadium.

Perhaps it's something that wasn't offered this time, or they were saving all their powder for the Olympics.”

A pretty disastrous move to go bi-annual in my opinion. And, yes, they will all be saving up for the Olympics.
Alex2606
03-07-2012
Originally Posted by shelsey93:
“A pretty disastrous move to go bi-annual in my opinion. And, yes, they will all be saving up for the Olympics.”

It's not as much the decision to make it bi-annual, more the scheduling. If they put it in late August or early September it would still do quite well as an event. The decision to have it in late June was a killer as far as TV companies were concerned.
Akilduff
04-07-2012
Originally Posted by Alex2606:
“It's not as much the decision to make it bi-annual, more the scheduling. If they put it in late August or early September it would still do quite well as an event. The decision to have it in late June was a killer as far as TV companies were concerned.”

Totally agree with this. In its traditional slot, it would have been a good post-Olympics event, with a lot of people having something to prove.
sporter92
04-07-2012
Roger Federer vs. Mikhail Youzhny - David Mercer & Pat Cash
Novak Djokovic vs. Florian Mayer - Andrew Cotter & Boris Becker
shaun_d
04-07-2012
Andrew Cotter has tweeted a picture of the rota today which shows the centre court matches with teams for 3D coverage. Chris Bowers + Brad Gilbert on the Federer match and then Jason Goodall + John Lloyd for the Murray match.
Alex2606
04-07-2012
Originally Posted by LOSG:
“He's done matches from the French open before on the red button.

At the end of the day he attends all the slams and plenty of the masters 1000s. So his knowledge is going to be right up there on most tour top 100 players.

On the Cricket there will be no Greg Blewett on Sky Sports over the next few weeks. Shane Warne is the Australian representative. Will Fox Sports (assuming they have the rights) be sending their own team or taking the Sky feed?”

Originally Posted by Alex2606:
“I imagine they will take the Sky feed, last Ashes series they did a bit of presentation/analysis from onsite but took the commentary of Gower and co.”

Further to this during Sky's coverage of State of Origin rugby league from Brisbane this morning Channel Nine were promoting their coverage of today's scheduled ODI from Edgbaston. I'm not sure what their level of coverage is though and whether it extends to all the series
mikey1980
04-07-2012
I've noticed a fair amount of negative comment on Andrew Castle and his position as the BBC's number one tennis commentator.

Now while I prefer people like Mark Petchey, Chris Bradnam and Nick Mullins, I have to admit there's nothing particularly objectionable about Castle.

Is that pretty much the consensus - that there's nothing wrong with Castle, its just there are better commentators out there? Or am I missing something?

Also, I'm wondering why Castle isn't used more as a presenter? After all, he's more experienced in that role having worked on GMTV for nearly 20 years. He seems to more suited to front of camera work than commentary...
sporter92
04-07-2012
Ferrer v Murray – Andrew Castle, Tim Henman & John McEnroe
Tsonga v Kohlschrelber – Simon Reed & Greg Rusedski
Darren Lethem
04-07-2012
Originally Posted by mikey1980:
“I've noticed a fair amount of negative comment on Andrew Castle and his position as the BBC's number one tennis commentator.

Now while I prefer people like Mark Petchey, Chris Bradnam and Nick Mullins, I have to admit there's nothing particularly objectionable about Castle.

Is that pretty much the consensus - that there's nothing wrong with Castle, its just there are better commentators out there? Or am I missing something?

Also, I'm wondering why Castle isn't used more as a presenter? After all, he's more experienced in that role having worked on GMTV for nearly 20 years. He seems to more suited to front of camera work than commentary...”

I have been one of those questioning the talents of Castle so will voice my opinion on him for you.

I find him a bit smug in front of the camera and also a little bland. Behind the microphone he is a little irratating to me as I find him very full of himself. He sees himself as the worlds greatest and talks far much more than any other lead commentator.

Personally, for me, Simon Reed is the best at Wimbledon.
mikey1980
04-07-2012
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“I have been one of those questioning the talents of Castle so will voice my opinion on him for you.

I find him a bit smug in front of the camera and also a little bland. Behind the microphone he is a little irratating to me as I find him very full of himself. He sees himself as the worlds greatest and talks far much more than any other lead commentator.

Personally, for me, Simon Reed is the best at Wimbledon.”

Yes, Simon Reed is excellent, agreed.

I've noticed that Castle's delivery isn't great, he tends to mutter things almost under his breath.
pakokelso93
04-07-2012
Originally Posted by mikey1980:
“ GMTV for nearly 20 years. He seems to more suited to front of camera work than commentary...”

Castle did 10 years at GMTV 2000-2010. Didn't he do some early sky tennis presenting?

I rate Castle alot. I was surprised ITV didn't use him as their French Open presenter.
sporter92
04-07-2012
Originally Posted by mikey1980:
“I've noticed a fair amount of negative comment on Andrew Castle and his position as the BBC's number one tennis commentator.

Now while I prefer people like Mark Petchey, Chris Bradnam and Nick Mullins, I have to admit there's nothing particularly objectionable about Castle.

Is that pretty much the consensus - that there's nothing wrong with Castle, its just there are better commentators out there? Or am I missing something?

Also, I'm wondering why Castle isn't used more as a presenter? After all, he's more experienced in that role having worked on GMTV for nearly 20 years. He seems to more suited to front of camera work than commentary...”

I think you hit the nail on the head, he is good but the BBC have better.
shelsey93
04-07-2012
Originally Posted by mikey1980:
“I've noticed a fair amount of negative comment on Andrew Castle and his position as the BBC's number one tennis commentator.

Now while I prefer people like Mark Petchey, Chris Bradnam and Nick Mullins, I have to admit there's nothing particularly objectionable about Castle.

Is that pretty much the consensus - that there's nothing wrong with Castle, its just there are better commentators out there? Or am I missing something?

Also, I'm wondering why Castle isn't used more as a presenter? After all, he's more experienced in that role having worked on GMTV for nearly 20 years. He seems to more suited to front of camera work than commentary...”

I agree with you completely there. I guess its a seniority thing though - he's been commentating at Wimbledon for the longest (apart from oldies like Mercer and Davies who it would be backward to make number 1).
djpower
04-07-2012
Originally Posted by Alex2606:
“Further to this during Sky's coverage of State of Origin rugby league from Brisbane this morning Channel Nine were promoting their coverage of today's scheduled ODI from Edgbaston. I'm not sure what their level of coverage is though and whether it extends to all the series”

Both Fox and Channel 9 have coverage both using Skys feed with their own studio coverage channel 9 for the first 2 ODI used Mark Talylor and Tim Gilbetert and for the 3rd ODI they had Mark Talylor and Ian Healey in the stuido. Fox Sports has been using Brendon Julian with Greg Blewett, Mark Waugh and Allan Boarder.

Channel 9 has been showing all ODI although they missed out on the first couple of hours of the first ODI as their coverage did not begin until after the conclusion of their Friday night NRL match. Not all matches have been in HD as some matches have been shown on GEM while others on 9 coverage is also slightly different depending on the State you live in
LOSG
04-07-2012
Tom Moody joined the Sky Sports team for the ODI today.
johnnylogic
04-07-2012
Originally Posted by mikey1980:
“I've noticed a fair amount of negative comment on Andrew Castle and his position as the BBC's number one tennis commentator.

Now while I prefer people like Mark Petchey, Chris Bradnam and Nick Mullins, I have to admit there's nothing particularly objectionable about Castle.

Is that pretty much the consensus - that there's nothing wrong with Castle, its just there are better commentators out there? Or am I missing something?

Also, I'm wondering why Castle isn't used more as a presenter? After all, he's more experienced in that role having worked on GMTV for nearly 20 years. He seems to more suited to front of camera work than commentary...”

To me, Castle has a football commentator's tendency to chase the soundbite, and as a casual tennis viewer, I often feel as if I don't learn all that much from listening to him. Put those two things together (along with an unfortunate capacity for mixing his metaphors) and he can be a bit irritating.

Agree with the comments about Simon Reed. But the commentator I've really enjoyed listening to during this tournament is David Mercer. He's able to make good technical points very simply, can mix up the analysis with the anecdotes and he can produce memorable turns of phrase.

But what really impressed me was that when Lukas Rosol beat Rafael Nadal, Mercer didn't say anything for about 20 seconds. He resisted the urge to go for a bland "He's done it!" let the pictures and the crowd reaction do the initial talking and came up with a very eloquent summary to reflect the size of the upset.
shelsey93
04-07-2012
Originally Posted by johnnylogic:
“To me, Castle has a football commentator's tendency to chase the soundbite, and as a casual tennis viewer, I often feel as if I don't learn all that much from listening to him. Put those two things together (along with an unfortunate capacity for mixing his metaphors) and he can be a bit irritating.

Agree with the comments about Simon Reed. But the commentator I've really enjoyed listening to during this tournament is David Mercer. He's able to make good technical points very simply, can mix up the analysis with the anecdotes and he can produce memorable turns of phrase.

But what really impressed me was that when Lukas Rosol beat Rafael Nadal, Mercer didn't say anything for about 20 seconds. He resisted the urge to go for a bland "He's done it!" let the pictures and the crowd reaction do the initial talking and came up with a very eloquent summary to reflect the size of the upset.”

Mercer is superb. But he's also 62, and so it would make no sense to make him lead commentator. He has done plenty of good matches here, and will be the main Badminton commentator at the Olympics.
Ian Cleverly
04-07-2012
Originally Posted by johnnylogic:
“....But the commentator I've really enjoyed listening to during this tournament is David Mercer. He's able to make good technical points very simply, can mix up the analysis with the anecdotes and he can produce memorable turns of phrase.”

Ex BBC Radio Wales isn't he?
Tony Yeboah
04-07-2012
There was a discussion on a short-lived 'Martin Tyler' thread about 6 weeks ago, regarding summarisers who made the succesful transition to lead commentators.

Well Channel 9 in Australia are sending most of their Rugby League commentators to the Olympics, so long-time co-commentator Peter Sterling is having a go at the play-by-play for the NRL, starting this weekend.
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