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Old 26-02-2013, 01:20
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Sunday 24th February - BBC Two Wales

Scrum V: Six Nations Special

Jason Mohammad presented alongside Kingsley Jones, Jonathan Davies, Gareth Llewellyn and Tom Shanklin, with Lisa Rogers and Ben Evans in the audience and Sean Holley in the "Stat Pad"

Italy v Wales - Andrew Cotter, Jonathan Davies and Shane Williams (first half), Huw Llewellyn Davies and Jonathan Davies (second half), with Jason Mohammad conducting post-match interviews and Ross Harries conducting interviews from Sunday's press conference
England v France - Eddie Butler and Brian Moore, with Rick O'Shea reporting from Twickenham where he met "Mr England" Peter Cross
Scotland v Ireland - Andrew Cotter and Phillip Matthews

Pro12 round-up (games involving the Welsh regions only) - Non Evans (reporting), with Nick Webb and Tom Shanklin commentating on Morgan Allen's first try from Ospreys v Edinburgh
Wales Under-18s v France Under-18s - Phil Steele (reporting)
Italy Under-20s v Wales Under-20s - Gareth Charles and Stuart Davies, with Phil Steele introducing the edit

The Lions Den - Jonathan Davies picked his Lions XV, with his choices being voiced by Phil Steele

Lisa Rogers also interviewed Wales Under-20s head coach Danny Wilson and captain Ellis Jenkins at "the bar" of their rugby club themed studio.

During the first five minutes of the programme before they got to the main Italy v Wales edit, Jason asked Jonathan about his experience of doing lead commentary on Saturday when Andrew Cotter fell ill, which included how a floor manager told Shane Williams "don't worry, there's only five million people listening" when he entered the commentary box. When introducing the main edit, Jason made a point of naming all four commentators and "in fact, anyone we could get our hands on" when linking into the edit, which amusingly included a "commentary substitution" caption to indicate that Shane had replaced Andrew!
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Old 26-02-2013, 02:11
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Was anyone else watching the third ODI between New Zealand and England live on Friday night/Saturday morning?

I don't think Sky's commentators were aware of how audible they were off-mic. Okay - it was only faint, but still clear enough to tell what was being said at times. As a result, at one point, I heard Sir Ian Botham swearing about something or other (no idea what it was about) ...
"What's his f**king job?"
... something like that. Can't say I'm surprised, to be honest, but he was on a right old rant about something. Then you could hear Paul Allott respond with something like ...
"I would suggest you don't have a conversation ..."
All very weird. I guess Sky's comm-box in New Zealand isn't the biggest, so things you wouldn't normally hear in commentaries back home became more audible there. Not very professional though.

I'm amazed Botham's lasted as long as he has on Sky actually. Knighthood or not, I'm surprised they haven't tried to "do a Keys and Gray" with him, as I can't imagine he's much fun to work with behind the scenes.

Another thing:
David Lloyd mentioned on commentary that Michael Vaughan, Michael Atherton and Bob Willis will be joining them for the Test matches. And when asked by his Kiwi colleague about Nasser Hussain, he said Nasser wouldn't be there for this series, joking that he was being rested as part of Sky's rotation policy. Didn't say who's going home though, now the one-dayers are over, but I expect Paul Allott will be off, and maybe Nick Knight too.
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Old 26-02-2013, 09:09
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Sunday 24th February - BBC Two Wales

Scrum V: Six Nations Special


During the first five minutes of the programme before they got to the main Italy v Wales edit, Jason asked Jonathan about his experience of doing lead commentary on Saturday when Andrew Cotter fell ill, which included how a floor manager told Shane Williams "don't worry, there's only five million people listening" when he entered the commentary box. When introducing the main edit, Jason made a point of naming all four commentators and "in fact, anyone we could get our hands on" when linking into the edit, which amusingly included a "commentary substitution" caption to indicate that Shane had replaced Andrew!
Best. Graphic. Ever.
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Old 26-02-2013, 09:34
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Was anyone else watching the third ODI between New Zealand and England live on Friday night/Saturday morning?

I don't think Sky's commentators were aware of how audible they were off-mic. Okay - it was only faint, but still clear enough to tell what was being said at times. As a result, at one point, I heard Sir Ian Botham swearing about something or other (no idea what it was about) ...
"What's his f**king job?"
... something like that. Can't say I'm surprised, to be honest, but he was on a right old rant about something. Then you could hear Paul Allott respond with something like ...
"I would suggest you don't have a conversation ..."
All very weird. I guess Sky's comm-box in New Zealand isn't the biggest, so things you wouldn't normally hear in commentaries back home became more audible there. Not very professional though.

I'm amazed Botham's lasted as long as he has on Sky actually. Knighthood or not, I'm surprised they haven't tried to "do a Keys and Gray" with him, as I can't imagine he's much fun to work with behind the scenes.

Another thing:
David Lloyd mentioned on commentary that Michael Vaughan, Michael Atherton and Bob Willis will be joining them for the Test matches. And when asked by his Kiwi colleague about Nasser Hussain, he said Nasser wouldn't be there for this series, joking that he was being rested as part of Sky's rotation policy. Didn't say who's going home though, now the one-dayers are over, but I expect Paul Allott will be off, and maybe Nick Knight too.
Has Vaughan signed for Sky, then? Or just helping out for an overseas tour? Are we expecting him on Channel 5 and TMS as usual this summer?
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Old 26-02-2013, 09:48
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Has Vaughan signed for Sky, then? Or just helping out for an overseas tour? Are we expecting him on Channel 5 and TMS as usual this summer?
I might be wrong, because I was only watching on SkyGo on my iPhone, half asleep, in bed, with my fiancee asleep next to me and the volume on low so as not to wake her,,, BUT(!) I thought he said Ian Ward, not Michael Vaughan.
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Old 26-02-2013, 10:12
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vaughan is back on tms for the test series in nz.

I'd be suprised if he is on sky aswell .... although he has appeared on sky before think it was as a pundit during a t20 world cup but not 100% sure
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Old 26-02-2013, 10:28
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Michael Vaughan is not working for SKY Newzealand, Vaughan will be in new zealand but working for the BBC.
Star Sports are doing really well with the indian cricket rights, Nimbus just didn't take it seriously enough, but with star sports the coverage has been very professional, they stopped showing adverts during play, but advert are still every over but that is usually the case for all broadcaster except Sky, they also done really well in the analysis show after the days play, with the Sponsored Package being rare and quickly done, with Sanjay manjreker usually saying we will have a short sponsored packaged then we have a chat with the pundits, plus the adverts schedule works really well with the analysis show, ITV should do something similar. they tend to have 3 advert breaks in about 40 mins with each advert break lasting 1-3 minutes, I always tend to change the channels when ITV do the analysis, they advert breaks are too longs, and many times I forget to put ITV Back on.

India vs Australia
Host Matt Floyd, Pundits Mark Butcher all days, Angus Fraser 1-4, Ian Harvey day 5.
Commentators Sanjay Manjrekar, Harsha Bhogle, laxman sivaramakrishnan, VVS Laxman, Sunil Gavaskar, Ravi Shastri, Shane Warne and Allan border

Hindi Commentators, Arun Lal, Navjot singh Sidhu, Kapil Dev, Wasim Akram and ayaz memon with Rameez raja joining for second test, with Aamer Sohail joining supersports for the limited over tour.

for Star sports, Sanjay manjrekar was host with Laxman and Border being the pundits, with Dermot Reeve being the analyst.
also some bad news Saurav ganguly father passed away last weeks, and he was replaced by Laxman at the last minute.
star sport will be rotating their indian commentators during the test series, with Alan Wilkins doing the last two test matches.
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Old 26-02-2013, 10:46
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vaughan is back on tms for the test series in nz.

I'd be suprised if he is on sky aswell .... although he has appeared on sky before think it was as a pundit during a t20 world cup but not 100% sure
He did some early matches of the 2011 50 over world cup in the Studio for Sky before heading out for TMS later in the tournament.

Another thing:
David Lloyd mentioned on commentary that Michael Vaughan, Michael Atherton and Bob Willis will be joining them for the Test matches. And when asked by his Kiwi colleague about Nasser Hussain, he said Nasser wouldn't be there for this series, joking that he was being rested as part of Sky's rotation policy. Didn't say who's going home though, now the one-dayers are over, but I expect Paul Allott will be off, and maybe Nick Knight too.
Are SkyUK and Sky NZ sharing the same commentary feed?

SkyUK seem to have seen a hell of a lot of commentators over and I weren't sure if it was for a dedicated feed just for the UK.

Only caught the highlights of the limited overs matches and not sure i've heard Simon Doull yet either.
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Old 26-02-2013, 11:01
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there are sharing the commentary feed but it feels more of the sky uk comm box then the sky nz box, far too many commentators, and odd pairings as well.
but when they start the commentator stints they always say hi to charles colvile, the new zealand viewers and world wide viewers must get confused.
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Old 26-02-2013, 11:06
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there are sharing the commentary feed but it feels more of the sky uk comm box then the sky nz box, far too many commentators, and odd pairings as well.
but when they start the commentator stints they always say hi to charles colvile, the new zealand viewers and world wide viewers must get confused.
My suspicion was that the ODI commentary was shared, but that the test series commentary will be separate. Seems like far too many Sky UK bods out there to make it a viable NZ home series commentary team. As far as I know, Sky will have Botham, Lloyd, Willis, Allott, Ward and Atherton there. Maybe even Nick Knight too... that is more than enough before you even start to add in the NZ guest commentator. Incidentally, does anyone know what's happened to Ian Smith?
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Old 26-02-2013, 11:18
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My suspicion was that the ODI commentary was shared, but that the test series commentary will be separate. Seems like far too many Sky UK bods out there to make it a viable NZ home series commentary team. As far as I know, Sky will have Botham, Lloyd, Willis, Allott, Ward and Atherton there. Maybe even Nick Knight too... that is more than enough before you even start to add in the NZ guest commentator. Incidentally, does anyone know what's happened to Ian Smith?
See this post I made in another thread last month. I'd be surprised if Ian Ward was going out to join the commentators in NZ, think it'll just be from the London studio, with the 5 mentioned in my post, plus NZ representation in the Comm box.

The Twenty20 series commentary was defiantly shared, the ODI series I'm almost certain hasn't been, with, from memory, the Sky Cricket twitter account posting pictures from the seperate commentary boxes before one of the games.
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Old 26-02-2013, 11:21
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No, there are two separate commentary feeds, as during the T20s, Sky NZ's graphic would have different commentators listed to who we were actually hearing. Plus they sometimes drop the odd mention of the 'other commentary box'. Quite why they are bothering when all the NZ commentators get a spell on Sky UK and vice versa I'm not sure, but I guess they think it stops the coverage becoming too NZ-centric. The only time they've shared commentary so far has been on those two warm-up matches.

It's a really odd time for Sky's cricket coverage at the moment. As mentioned previously, with Colville doing NZ v Eng and Matt Floyd on Aus v WI and now Ind v Aus, David Fulton did the Women's World Cup which must be the first time he has featured outside of Sky Sports News in years. Sky's 'odd-job' man Alec Wilkinson bumbled his way through the first SA v Pak test match and Tom White, the northern one who does Sky Sports news in the middle of the night and looks about 10 did day 1 of the third test. I only saw the highlights of that match, but I guess he must have had a shocker because George Gavin did the rest of the match. Not seen any of WI v Zim yet, so goodness knows who they've got on that.

I get that they are 'resting' Ward and Gower at the moment, but with so much cricket going on at the minute, it makes them short elsewhere.
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Old 26-02-2013, 11:33
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No, there are two separate commentary feeds, as during the T20s, Sky NZ's graphic would have different commentators listed to who we were actually hearing. Plus they sometimes drop the odd mention of the 'other commentary box'. Quite why they are bothering when all the NZ commentators get a spell on Sky UK and vice versa I'm not sure, but I guess they think it stops the coverage becoming too NZ-centric. The only time they've shared commentary so far has been on those two warm-up matches.

It's a really odd time for Sky's cricket coverage at the moment. As mentioned previously, with Colville doing NZ v Eng and Matt Floyd on Aus v WI and now Ind v Aus, David Fulton did the Women's World Cup which must be the first time he has featured outside of Sky Sports News in years. Sky's 'odd-job' man Alec Wilkinson bumbled his way through the first SA v Pak test match and Tom White, the northern one who does Sky Sports news in the middle of the night and looks about 10 did day 1 of the third test. I only saw the highlights of that match, but I guess he must have had a shocker because George Gavin did the rest of the match. Not seen any of WI v Zim yet, so goodness knows who they've got on that.

I get that they are 'resting' Ward and Gower at the moment, but with so much cricket going on at the minute, it makes them short elsewhere.
Don't think we'll hear as many different NZ voices during the test series. Probably just one "guest" commentator... Doull probably, but I don't really mind as long as it isn't Danny "the prat" Morrison.
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Old 26-02-2013, 11:36
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Lisa Rogers also interviewed Wales Under-20s head coach Danny Wilson and captain Ellis Jenkins at "the bar" of their rugby club themed studio.
Is that the Lisa Rogers, formerly of Scrapheap Challenge?

If it is, she hasn't half fallen in the TV presenting world if the best gig she can get these days is being a secondary host on a provincial rugby show.
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Old 26-02-2013, 12:02
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On sunday morning Eurosport had the World Super Bikes from Australia and just before the World Supersport race Jack Burnicle and James Whitham were talking about the slow times of the last man on the grid (forget his name). James said, what I thought at the time to be really funny, he claimed that he could kick his flat cap around the circuit in a better time than that.
Eurosport have, for me, the best Moto GP, World Super Bikes and British Super Bikes commentators by a country mile. They make the events sound like your best mates are sat with you talking about the same thing you want to talk about.
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Old 26-02-2013, 13:04
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Is that the Lisa Rogers, formerly of Scrapheap Challenge?

If it is, she hasn't half fallen in the TV presenting world if the best gig she can get these days is being a secondary host on a provincial rugby show.
Yes, she also does a show, amazingly called 'The Welsh Show' (like the One Show) which goes out on Showcase 2.

Some people may also remember her for being on 'Under the Moon' which went out late night during the late 90s on Channel 4/S4C with Danny Kelly.

She's a proud Monmouthshire-ite as well!
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Old 26-02-2013, 13:58
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Yes, she also does a show, amazingly called 'The Welsh Show' (like the One Show) which goes out on Showcase 2.

Some people may also remember her for being on 'Under the Moon' which went out late night during the late 90s on Channel 4/S4C with Danny Kelly.

She's a proud Monmouthshire-ite as well!
Didn't she also briefly present Football Fever with a young Matt Smith on BBC?
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Old 26-02-2013, 14:06
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Didn't she also briefly present Football Fever with a young Matt Smith on BBC?
You've got me there - I've no idea.
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Old 26-02-2013, 14:09
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Didn't she also briefly present Football Fever with a young Matt Smith on BBC?
I think she did, and I also seem to remember her fronting a Friday evening football preview show on the old ITV Sport Channel.

Away from this, I've just noticed from the graphics being used on the West Indies v Zimbabwe test match currently being played that the coverage is now being produced by Ten Sports rather than Sky.
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Old 26-02-2013, 15:10
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Not seen any of WI v Zim yet, so goodness knows who they've got on that.
For the First ODI, David Fulton presented, with Colin Croft and another guest (I think it might of been Vikram Solanki, but can't remember)
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Old 26-02-2013, 16:42
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Didn't she also briefly present Football Fever with a young Matt Smith on BBC?
I thought that was Katy Hill
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Old 26-02-2013, 18:23
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I thought that was Katy Hill
From doing a quick internet search it looks like she took over from Katy Hill
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Old 26-02-2013, 18:45
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Is that the Lisa Rogers, formerly of Scrapheap Challenge?

If it is, she hasn't half fallen in the TV presenting world if the best gig she can get these days is being a secondary host on a provincial rugby show.
Ian has since cleared it up that the Lisa Rogers in question is one of the same, but to respond to your sentiments I'm not sure I'd agree that co-hosting five special editions of Scrum V during the Six Nations is a massive step backwards from co-hosting a cult Channel 4 programme really. Aside from their news output, the Scrum V Six Nations Specials are probably BBC Wales' biggest productions each year, so it's not as if they are low profile programmes in Lisa's home country.

Also, it's not as if this is the only work she does for the BBC these days. She presented BBC Two Wales' weekly magazine show Sport Wales on Friday nights for three years before Dot Davies took over from her last year and I believe also does some presenting work on BBC Radio Wales as well.
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Old 26-02-2013, 19:11
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Don't think we'll hear as many different NZ voices during the test series. Probably just one "guest" commentator... Doull probably, but I don't really mind as long as it isn't Danny "the prat" Morrison.
Danny Morrison works for Ten Sports, he is the host for the Pakistan vs South Africa series with Waqar Younis and Jonty Rhodes being pundits.
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Old 26-02-2013, 19:31
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No, there are two separate commentary feeds, as during the T20s, Sky NZ's graphic would have different commentators listed to who we were actually hearing. Plus they sometimes drop the odd mention of the 'other commentary box'. Quite why they are bothering when all the NZ commentators get a spell on Sky UK and vice versa I'm not sure, but I guess they think it stops the coverage becoming too NZ-centric. The only time they've shared commentary so far has been on those two warm-up matches.
thanks for this, hopefully they will make it obvious next time, bit confusing since they would literally use the same new zealand commentators, but they will always show the wrong commentators, I always assumed it was a mistake, the only thing I don't get is why are they using odd pairings and too many New zealand commentators, surely 2 new zealand commentators is enough and surely having one english and new zealand commentators at a time it is better than having 2 english commentators at times and then 2 new zealand commentators at times, at least they not using one new zealand commentators, I always prefer having 2 touring commentators then one, it get a bit irritating when they use all English commentators at the same time, and some of the commentators don't do basic research and have no idea about the opposition players.

here is the tweet, from sky cricket.
https://twitter.com/SkyCricket/statu...03268533690368
PS can some one mention all the commentators for this series, please it be interesting to see how many commentators they have used.
only really watched the T20 and the first ODI, been watching the test cricket instead.
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