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I agree Harry's improvement in his ballroom posture/top-line was significant. Only casual viewers and those who simply vote for Harry because he's fit (or they are loyal Mcfly fans) can't see the improvement.
Based on that, I think Chelsee has improved significantly as well. In the beginning, she's quite throw-away with her movements (see her waltz in week one) and they when you compared with her Quickstep, she was much more controlled, and even more so when you see her attempting that AMAZING AS in the semi. People who can't see that improvement in Chelsee either didn't have a single clue about dancing or simply didn't like her as a celeb. Even Jason has improved somewhat in his ballroom technique. He looked unnatural and stiff in the foxtrot week and in the Quickstep, his posture was so improved Kristina even let him do the ballroom hold ALONE in the beginning. How cool is that? You are talking about relatively minor improvements, not the stuff of which a journey's made. Harry's been on a "journey" that improved his ballroom posture/top-line. Gee, that's exciting. Can I get the film rights? ![]() Chelsee's Quickstep was ages ago. It was in October! If comparing it to week 1 is supposed to show a journey, it's one that was quickly finished. As for the "AMAZING AS", "forgettable" is what I'd say. I cannot remember a single thing about it. Her October Quickstep is still one of her best dances, and even though I found it annoying at the time, it's the only one of her dances I'd chose to watch again for enjoyment. Jason improved "somewhat". Well, fine. That's not a journey. He even seemed to get worse for a while. |
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Im sure Chelsee topped the leader board Wembley week alongside Alex.
Thats Chelsee topping the leader board 4 times not 3 Quickstep Charleston Salsa (Wembley week joint with Alex) Jive Thats 4 times compared to Harry's 3 Chelsee has also achieved a 40 when Harry hasnt. ![]() However, like I said, Harry's aggregate position is the highest at 2.36 to Chelsee's 2.45 and Jason's 2.81. Scorewise (excluding the swinamajiggywotsit), Harry averages 34.5, Chelsee 34.0 and Jason 34.0 - so really all pretty much of a muchness with Harry slightly edging it as overall top. |
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Not even when they compare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbHpiixt2GU with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP4vr_MaA30 ? ![]() And there's a noticeable improvement in his confidence and leading ability. I mean that quickstep is HOT! I really they do it in the final. The Blackpool floor is simply amazing to do a quickstep on. And they're clearly short of space for the QS in BBC studio. (are they going to Winter Gardens or Blackpool tower?) The improvement is even noticeable by Waltz week, during the few bars he actually danced waltz. Although the rise and fall is still a bit jerky. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whw8gwDCAjI But I can't believe his upper body movement and posture improved so much in 2 weeks. It takes most people months if not years to get from Harry's foxtrot week to his S Waltz and then QS weeks. I think i people can't notice the difference will either be non-dancers (or non-dance appreciators.... really don't have a better way to put it!) or biased against Harry. |
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Is there some reason why the people who disagree have to be disparaged?
You are talking about relatively minor improvements, not the stuff of which a journey's made. Harry's been on a "journey" that improved his ballroom posture/top-line. Gee, that's exciting. Can I get the film rights? ![]() Chelsee's Quickstep was ages ago. It was in October! If comparing it to week 1 is supposed to show a journey, it's one that was quickly finished. As for the "AMAZING AS", "forgettable" is what I'd say. I cannot remember a single thing about it. Her October Quickstep is still one of her best dances, and even though I found it annoying at the time, it's the only one of her dances I'd chose to watch again for enjoyment. Jason improved "somewhat". Well, fine. That's not a journey. He even seemed to get worse for a while.
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Chelsee and Jason have improved loads as well. It's odd we don't normally notice these improvements because we watch them week by week. The improvement is really incredible!
I'm slightly jealous of them now, to be able to get so much private time with a professional dancer and improve their dancing during such a short time Every year I watch SCD I wonder how much I'd be able to improve if I could get 20+ hrs of practice time with one of my teachers every week!
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Every time I post I get slagged off but I think she's poor
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Wow! Check out the Chelsee hate.
Is she really so much of a threat for people to be so vile and nasty towards her? It upsets me, it really does. I hope Chelsee doesn't ever come on here to read some of these remarks. ![]() She's done incredibly well to get this far and Im so proud of her. Couldn't have happened to a nicer girl. Because some others on here don't actually like Chelsee!! It is allowed you know. Quote:
Lot's of jealousy.
These haters need to accept the observations of both Craig and Bruno, who rightly point out that Chelsee is "gifted" in dancing. She moves like a dancer, not like a celebrity wanna-be-dancer.
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, I am aware that she is an actress, but the only role I have heard of is her role in Waterloo Road. I don't doubt she has done more work, but that is the role she is known for.
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I agree.
Harry, imho is an absolute star on the dance floor. Jason is also amazing. I'm not taking anything away from Chelsea's dancing, yes she is fab at it, but I just can't warm to her, and I have tried, very hard ![]() Harry FTW. I have supported him from day 1. Jason is also 'pulling' at my strings 'tho ![]() ![]() Chelsee |
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Wow, his top half is so bulky and heavy in the foxtrot and his rise and fall is really jerky. And his hands...
![]() And there's a noticeable improvement in his confidence and leading ability. I mean that quickstep is HOT! I really they do it in the final. The Blackpool floor is simply amazing to do a quickstep on. And they're clearly short of space for the QS in BBC studio. (are they going to Winter Gardens or Blackpool tower?) The improvement is even noticeable by Waltz week, during the few bars he actually danced waltz. Although the rise and fall is still a bit jerky. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whw8gwDCAjI But I can't believe his upper body movement and posture improved so much in 2 weeks. It takes most people months if not years to get from Harry's foxtrot week to his S Waltz and then QS weeks. I think i people can't notice the difference will either be non-dancers (or non-dance appreciators.... really don't have a better way to put it!) or biased against Harry. |
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Wow! Check out the Chelsee hate.
I have never been 'wowed' by any of Chelsee's dances, including the jive that gets raved about so much - I sometimes wonder was I the only one who saw her spending so much time in a tower at the start of that dance... I know my own favourite has had some dodgy dances too, but I just can't seem to warm to Chelsee, and to be honest I think what I find most disappointing is that for an actress she's really not good at conveying the emotion of a dance, which really should be effortless for her. Quote:
Chelsee is technically very good, I think (not an expert here, just from watching all the SCD series
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Saying I don't support Chelsee is not 'hate', it's called having an opinion. Yes, some people are being ridiculously rude about her, and that's not on, but don't tar all of us who aren't fans with the same brush. And it works both ways - if your opinion is to be respected, you have to respect that others may think differently!.
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I liked Chelsea dances, I think she is the most natural dancer in the competition, but she has problems with control. It's because she's so good her control issues stand out more I think.
Her paso was great, really good, but I'm not so sure about those 10's. She was wobbly on many occasions – in both dances. She also doesn't seem to do intensity too well. She seems a bit self conscious about doing intensity. She was good, probably the best on the night, but those tens... nah. But then, the scoring has been really over blown this series. I also re-watched Harry's VW - God what a dream... |
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Relatively minor differences remain relatively minor no matter how those who don't think they make a "journey" are disparaged.
People who dance, or are enthusiastic about it and watch a lot of dancing and follow it, would think the difference is large. Because a) they have an eye for these things and will be able to spot things that people who don't watch a lot of dancing outside SCD won't be able to; and b) they know how long it ordinarily takes someone to achieve these "minor differences" as you put it. Good dancing is meant to look effortless, so it's normal for people who are not in the business and don't know what goes into the dance to think less of it than it actually is. This is one reason why sometimes dances that dancers like are different from dances that non-dancers like. Because while the non-dancers will see the finished product, the dancer will see what is put into it and maybe think "ooh that step is really difficult I love how well s/he is doing it. It's beautiful", while the step itself is actually not very aesthetically pleasing. |
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Oops, me bad for getting the correct spelling of Chelsea wrong
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Saying that someone isn't a dancer or a dance-entusiast, or that they don't like Harry or Chelsee or Jason is not disparaging. The statement is neither negative nor positive.
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People who dance, or are enthusiastic about it and watch a lot of dancing and follow it, would think the difference is large. Because a) they have an eye for these things and will be able to spot things that people who don't watch a lot of dancing outside SCD won't be able to; and b) they know how long it ordinarily takes someone to achieve these "minor differences" as you put it.
Basically, you're saying those people are correct because they have knowledge and disabilities that those who disagree lack. That's positive about them, and negative about those who disagree.But I didn't say the differences were minor. I said they were relatively minor. Which they are. If I wanted to take the same sort of line, I'd say the dancers and dance-appreciators hugely overestimate the significance of such improvements; but I don't think that opinion actually breaks down along such lines. All three of the finalists started SCD as good dancers by SCD standards; they ended as better dancers, but that's not much of a journey. |
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The post said "biased" which is clearly disparaging; and in context, the rest was disparaging as well. It talked of people who "can't notice the difference", meaning there is a difference, but they are incapable of noticing it. That too is disparaging. It's also negative and dismissive.
Basically, you're saying those people are correct because they have knowledge and disabilities that those who disagree lack. That's positive about them, and negative about those who disagree. Quote:
Basically, you're saying those people are correct because they have knowledge and disabilities that those who disagree lack. That's positive about them, and negative about those who disagree.
Maybe the way I said it was patronising? I guess that does create an imbalance, that at any point in an argument if I disagree I could just say "hey, I'm a dancer and I know better. That thing Jason was dancing on Saturday was not an AT, it was a jive. He should have received 0 marks, been disqualified and kicked out of the building because that's how real dance competitions are run!" But I'm sure there are enough dancers and dance-appreciators on this forum that someone would call me on my bluff! Quote:
But I didn't say the differences were minor. I said they were relatively minor. Which they are.
... All three of the finalists started SCD as good dancers by SCD standards; they ended as better dancers, but that's not much of a journey. I was saying that to people who keep going on about how Harry/Chelsee/Jason (usually when 1 or 2 of them are set against another) haven't improved much etc etc. And that was a general comment, not just regarding Harry's improvement. Quote:
If I wanted to take the same sort of line, I'd say the dancers and dance-appreciators hugely overestimate the significance of such improvements; but I don't think that opinion actually breaks down along such lines.
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I think context is needed with Sanah's post as it shortly follows a particularly nasty comment about Chelsee.
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I also completely agree.... I think her Paso was very good and very entertaining - but it wasn't perfect.
There is something missing from all her dances and I can't quite put my finger on what it is. Her steps are good, her movement good, choreagraphy is good.... but I always feel when I watch her that she's about to fall flat on her face!! I find something awkward in her dancing and being no expert - I can't really understand why. Harry on the otherhand just seems to ooze class and good dancing - I love watching him - especially since Aliona has had an epiphany and improved the choreagraphy! |
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Ridiculous isn't it. Some folk should realise this is a discussion forum for giving one's opinion.
Why is it hate? Because some others on here don't actually like Chelsee!! It is allowed you know. Good lord, another one. So we are haters and are jealous because we don't like Chelsee. Goodness me, this forum gets worse ![]() |
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I think context is needed with Sanah's post as it shortly follows a particularly nasty comment about Chelsee. I won't quote it, but it's still there and very likely posted by a WUM since it's their first and only post. If it's a spade, you call it a spade. As you say, people being ridiculously rude is not on. I agree with the sentiment of your comment, but I don't think it applies here. I respect opinions that differ from mine (such as yours), I don't respect trolls who are spewing and venting (like the post I think Sanah is responding to).
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It was only a matter of time before we were labelled "haters". Happens on all threads eventually when the fans can't cope with constructive criticism.
I think what I want to see from Chelsee is called "Grace". Kara had it in bucket loads and I could watch her dance all day. I think that is what I personally feel is missing from her otherwise good routines. |
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I'd say it's arguable who was better out of Chelsee and Harry, depending on your POV. Too close to call.
Jason.. Loved his AT but that Samba was a hot mess. Did he slip on the stairs at the start? Maybe that affected to him. I Thaught he was going to take a tumble![]()
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It was only a matter of time before we were labelled "haters". Happens on all threads eventually when the fans can't cope with constructive criticism.
I think what I want to see from Chelsee is called "Grace". Kara had it in bucket loads and I could watch her dance all day. I think that is what I personally feel is missing from her otherwise good routines. |
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