I accept what you are saying, I am here to enjoy the dancing too and I get that you don't agree that people were overmarked tonight, but other people do (me- I don't know enough about dancing to say one way or another) but people do have the right to express their own opinions. I just think you would be better skipping over the post you don't like, or accepting that people are going to complain rather than telling people they should stop posting their complaints.

That's the point I'm trying to get across, all be it in a muddled way here.

As a reasonable and well mannered poster- I don't think being muddled makes the slightest bit of difference to your point! I absolutely agree to a degree, however, it does seem a bit of sour grapes from people who aren't Chelsee or Jason fans... And a bit dismissive and disrespectful of an experienced and renowned judge

where on this forum

A few yeh, but also on BBC site, Facebook, general internet...

To be honest, I don't know! As I said, I have no particular allegiance to anyone, so I just sit and watch the dancing and enjoy it. I thought Harry did a good job, Chelsee was great, but I missed Jason's dance as I was out of the room and I am frantically waiting for iplayer to put it up!

All I can say about the judges is, there is a lot of people who question their credibility week in week out on here, I really don't know enough about dancing to know whether or not they are right.

My personal opinion is though, that Craig is the more realistic marker of the judges, but on occasion he comes across as the baddie of the pannel.

I'm sorry, I am not really answering your question here! I suppose some people just feel that in their opinion the judges overmarked. Perhaps someone with a lot more dance knowledge will come along and tell us why they feel they overmarked or if the judges views were credible.

I've missed all these complaints.

I'm really a Chelsee and Pasha fan and have been critical of Harry and Aliona in the past. But I preferred the latter tonight. (I still enjoyed Chelsee and Pasha's performance though). I have praised Jason and Kristina in the past (last week in fact as my favourite couple) but didn't really like them much tonight.

It isn't all about having favourites. I'm just not necessarily agreeing with the judges opinion, that's all, and I'm sure there are many others like me who are coming to this with a fairly open mind.

I've done some dancing in my time- I was a bit sceptical about the 40s but I think they were the best dances on the night so if Harry's got 39 they had to get 40, quantifiable in my opinion.

Also agree about Craig- he's the villain- hence he's harsh. Therefore, if he produces 10s, then they're the best dances! I wish people, who week in week out complain about people booing him unnecessarily when he gives honest criticism, then come on and blast him for crediting the best dances because it wasn't to their personal faves

I am sure there will definitely be some who have that agenda, but I just find that's how some people are on this forum as a whole, whatever the subject is being discussed.

I would be interested in hearing what someone who has a lot of dance knowledge/experience has to say about the marking from the judges tonight.

I'm not a Harry fan, but I saw a couple of mistakes in both Chelsee's and Jason's dances. I thought if anything Harry executed his dances better than either of the other two so I'm amazed he didn't get straight 10's ... tbh the judges overlooked flaws in Chelsee's Paso and Jason's AT to give them full marks. I've only caught about three episodes this series so am completely neutral ... I haven't put enough time in to work out who I like but going on tonights show I thought Harry looked amazing and my husband actually asked me which of the two (Harry & Aliona) was the celebrity.

It's only the judges view anyway. All I really care about is seeing the back of the grinning and terminally sarcastic James Jordan ... nothing changes with him .. he's as annoying as ever.

Fair point. FWIW I agree with you totally here.

I listen to what he has to say, because he comes across as the most honest of the Judges.

Right, I'm off to check on Jason's AT now.

I must have missed them

I dont go on the BBC Site either

Sorry, you have lost me on that one - I dont see any McFly fans spitting feathers on this forum

Maybe it's just how we interpret people's views... I really just want to say I thought the Paso and AT were fantastic and worthy, with the current value of the "not so magic any more" 10 paddle, of 4 10s above any other dance this series.

Because as I've repeatedly said, Artem does what Artem wants.

The problem is we'll never get a 10 dance on Strictly - we never have and never will. Even the heights of Jill's Jive and Mark's Argentine Tango would've had errors and flaws that the judges would've overlooked because of the spirit.

And with a 10 on Strictly, that's what the judges buy into - the spirit of the dance; a spirit that allows them to overlook the minor mistakes and technique errors and to give them full marks.

Therefore, the 10 becomes a minefiled. While technique is technique - there is a set rulebook to abide by, albeit sometimes even this is chucked away from no apparent reason - passion and performance is something completely different. One person's diamond may be another person's manure and while one to three ten's might be bearable 40 is the golden mark and will immediately result in more inspection whereas 37-39 may be dismissed.

Tonight Craig couldn't lose himself enough in Harry's performance to show the 10 - I agree with him; thanks to Ian Waite I couldn't stop looking at his head line in the Viennese Waltz and his Charleston just needed him to let go a bit more. But at the same time, I didn't think a dance was really a 10. The scoreboard was right IMO but I don't think Chelsee's Paso and Jason's Argentine Tango deserved 40s.

So do I think Craig overmarked intentionally? No. He just managed to lose himself in the dances while I couldn't.

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Entirely agree with this

Comments such as "the judges must have been watching a different dance" always amuse me as they quite literally do see, and feel, something we don't get to see, or feel, at home.

It isn't unusual for dances that looked 'meh' on the tellie - thank you camera-men and women - to be described as "electrifying"/"best dance of the night" by a live audience FM. AKA, not all standing ovations are non-spontaneous

Could we Please pin this -- Agree 100%..and I was lost in those dances.!

I think people are getting their knickers in a twist because it looks increasingly like Jason is going to steal it.

I don't think he has the popularity to do so.

Sorry OP. you are right but you are flying in the face of the "Dougie/Little Mix" factor. Teen vote has decreed Harry will win and there is nothing you can do about it.

Then, explain Alesha's silly performance at the end of the final dance, if you like.
It was the one where Kristina danced round a lamp post dressed in a suit.

but as we don't get to see the actual public vote results the producers can allocate the glitterball to whoever they wish!

The dances are perfect in an entertainment value not a dance value system. The celebs cannot reach perfection in the few weeks they have but they can reach a high standard. From what I've read in the posts the celebs are being judged on personality not dance skills anyway. To me all three finalists don't have enough charisma to fill a sweetie bag never mind impress someone. I used to watch for the dancing but now can take it or leave it. Not a great fan of all the changes but I have the where with all to go out, switch off or watch something else if I want to. It is an entertainment programme if it was a dance competition then we would have four dance judgrs sitting around the floor marking each dance so enjoy it for what it is

Isn't the public vote independently adjudicated?