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Chelsee's 40 was better than Jason's
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-Sid-
11-12-2011
I think it's inevitable. If you loved Jason, you were likely to love this dance. If you already disliked him, he was never going to win you over and the marks were always going to seem unfair whatever he produced.

I probably didn't give Lisa Snowdon or Kelly Brook enough credit for some of their dancing because I was so turned off by their personalities at the time. Likewise, my Alesha- love probably clouded my judgement of some of her dances. Watching her Latin routines back, people were right, her legs did look quite messy at times.
Tangerine_82
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I think it's inevitable. If you loved Jason, you were likely to love this dance. If you already disliked him, he was never going to win you over and the marks were always going to seem unfair whatever he produced.

I probably didn't give Lisa Snowdon or Kelly Brook enough credit for some of their dancing because I was so turned off by their personalities at the time. Likewise, my Alesha- love probably clouded my judgement of some of her dances. Watching her Latin routines back, people were right, her legs did look quite messy at times.”

I definitely agree that when you have favourites it clouds your judgment, even when you try desperately not to let it and it only becomes apparent once some time has passed.

Personally, I don't like Jason or Chelsee. I think Chelsee is a beautiful dancer but as people, I have no leanings one way or the other - they both annoy me in their own ways. I don't know if that affords me objectivity or not but IMO, neither of those dances last night were 40s. Jason's was 8s and Chelsee's was 9s - but that's in a world where only perfection should get 10s and that clearly isn't the case on SCD.
Alli-F
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by Pices-55:
“I really doubt I would have anything unappreciative enough to say, and I am smiling about it atm in more of an ironic semi snigger sort of way.
Some threads and topics are just not relevant to me apart from having a nose just out of curiosity sake, each to their own I guess.”



Oh, I dunno, I think you did a pretty good job there.
Cheshirecheese
11-12-2011
I totally agree with everyone who said that was Kristina was the reason Jason got full marks last night. His performance wasn't perfection at all. Aliona has been criticised in the past for making the choreography all about her but couldnt help feeling Kristina did the same last night, obviously with the judges blessing as they all gave them full marks. Felt Harry was much better and deserved a 40 more than Jason did. I do like Jason but like fairness too. I think Kristina is more anxious to lift the glitter ball than he is.
Alli-F
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I think it's inevitable. If you loved Jason, you were likely to love this dance. If you already disliked him, he was never going to win you over and the marks were always going to seem unfair whatever he produced.

I probably didn't give Lisa Snowdon or Kelly Brook enough credit for some of their dancing because I was so turned off by their personalities at the time. Likewise, my Alesha- love probably clouded my judgement of some of her dances. Watching her Latin routines back, people were right, her legs did look quite messy at times.”

I honestly don't know if you can watch it objectively, or I certainly can't. Even this year, where I have no favourite, I have degrees of dislike - from Holly who Ilike but is not the best dancer to Jason who I just can't/won't like.
Gravitational
11-12-2011
I enjoyed both dances but I personally wouldn't have given either full marks.
k9fan
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by Webbfeet:
“I agree. Craig has been desperate to give Jason a 10 all series - what annoys me most is that the best AT of all time on Strictly, Mark Ramprakash and Karen, only got 39 because of Craig. That had real passion, not just strutting around. Kristina wasn't even that good!”

- that set the standard for ever
Smokeychan1
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“Hmmm. Now I've seen Jason's. I thought it was better overall than Chelsee's - the atmosphere, the acting, everything worked perfectly. Kristina did a spectacular job. I wouldn't have given it a 40 though, he didn't do enough to earn it.”

I think it was Alesha's showdance that warranted the comment from Craig: "You danced as if your life depended on it."

That's exactly how I felt watching Jason dance the AT last night. Infact, I am not sure any contestant has put that much heart and soul into a performance; it left him totally spent.
ESPIONdansant
11-12-2011
I didn't think either dance deserved 40.

But Jason didn't do much and what he DID do wasn't outstanding. Kristina's desperation was evident. Talk about TRYING TOO HARD! Frankly he came over as a lech. Her fault. Choreography.

But Chelsee's wasn't perfect. She doesn't always finish her armography and her balance isn't always the best. But I don't recoil from her the way I do from Jason. I like her.
marinamau
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I think it's inevitable. If you loved Jason, you were likely to love this dance. If you already disliked him, he was never going to win you over and the marks were always going to seem unfair whatever he produced.

I probably didn't give Lisa Snowdon or Kelly Brook enough credit for some of their dancing because I was so turned off by their personalities at the time. Likewise, my Alesha- love probably clouded my judgement of some of her dances. Watching her Latin routines back, people were right, her legs did look quite messy at times.”

I agree with your points but I don't like Jason as a dancer at all, yet I thought his 40 was more deserved than Chelsee's when I like her much more. given both choreos I think Jason danced and perfomed the dance better than Chelsee did, butI think Chelsee's paso was technically more demanding than Jasons was.
If we are not judging choreo then Jason 40 and Chelsee 38/36 (I found a lot of technical problems).
If we are judging choreo then Chelsee 39 and Jason 38/36.
RichmondBlue
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by ESPIONdansant:
“I didn't think either dance deserved 40.

But Jason didn't do much and what he DID do wasn't outstanding. Kristina's desperation was evident. Talk about TRYING TOO HARD! Frankly he came over as a lech. Her fault. Choreography.
But Chelsee's wasn't perfect. She doesn't always finish her armography and her balance isn't always the best. But I don't recoil from her the way I do from Jason. I like her.”

Wasn't he supposed to be a lecherous ? Isn't the AT usually about some gaucho in a bodega looking for a lady of easy virtue ?
Katenutzs
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by petertard:
“I could understand her getting 40 (but it could have been 39) but Jason's 40 just puzzled and amazed me. I expected maybe 36, four 9's. I think the judges decided they wanted him in the final rather than Holly and that would put him there ahead of her.”

Learn to live with it, others thought both dances deserved it I thought Artem & Holly deserved a 40 but such is life.
shefair
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“Wasn't he supposed to be a lecherous ? Isn't the AT usually about some gaucho in a bodega looking for a lady of easy virtue ?”

well that is what Len says but if I were you I would look at some proper AT on you tube

I find them intimate, soulful and romantic

even if we follow the strictly narrative I doubt many lady of easy virtues would choose a serial killing gaucho
fog
11-12-2011
i tend to think that a lot of getting a 40 for jason was down to the sheer passion and desperation that kristina threw into that AT. jason was basically a frame for her to hang herself on. she basically got him that 40. ...though of course a good amount of strength and balance was required of jason..so he did well there.
Ferfichkin
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by Pices-55:
“ Agreed, its so OTT it is actually funny, first time its made me smile so far.”

That is rather the point, after all.
RichmondBlue
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by shefair:
“well that is what Len says but if I were you I would look at some proper AT on you tube

I find them intimate, soulful and romantic

even if we follow the strictly narrative I doubt many lady of easy virtues would choose a serial killing gaucho”

I was only commenting on the usual perception of the dance..don't the rather "suggestive" leg movements imply some kind of sexual tension..lust even ? But perhaps I'm letting my imagination run away with me there.
Anyway, I will check out YouTube as you say.
Katenutzs
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by petertard:
“I could understand her getting 40 (but it could have been 39) but Jason's 40 just puzzled and amazed me. I expected maybe 36, four 9's. I think the judges decided they wanted him in the final rather than Holly and that would put him there ahead of her.”

I have just watched the AT on U Tube and Jason & Kristina were so in tune, their feet moved in perfect harmony and I am not a jason fan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxxokZ9oUT0
blackberry000
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“I think it was Alesha's showdance that warranted the comment from Craig: "You danced as if your life depended on it."

That's exactly how I felt watching Jason dance the AT last night. Infact, I am not sure any contestant has put that much heart and soul into a performance; it left him totally spent.”

I agree with this And both Kristina and Jason were dancing like that.
Ferfichkin
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by fog:
“i tend to think that a lot of getting a 40 for jason was down to the sheer passion and desperation that kristina threw into that AT. jason was basically a frame for her to hang herself on. she basically got him that 40. ...though of course a good amount of strength and balance was required of jason..so he did well there.”

Meh. Kristina did a lot of emoting during the dance, but even her actual AT was pants. It felt more like an assault than a dance.

For the record, I don't think Chelsee deserved a 40 last night either, lest you call me a jellus hatah.
Ferfichkin
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“I was only commenting on the usual perception of the dance..don't the rather "suggestive" leg movements imply some kind of sexual tension..lust even ? But perhaps I'm letting my imagination run away with me there.
Anyway, I will check out YouTube as you say.”

If you do, please watch this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdU3eORpNhY


It is sensual and romantic and even tender.
RichmondBlue
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by fog:
“i tend to think that a lot of getting a 40 for jason was down to the sheer passion and desperation that kristina threw into that AT. jason was basically a frame for her to hang herself on. she basically got him that 40. ...though of course a good amount of strength and balance was required of jason..so he did well there.”

Kristina certainly pulled out all the stops, but Jason had to play his part as well..and quite frankly, I didn't think he had that kind of performance in him before last night.
If he had been wimpy and doe-eyed, with a fixed grin, imagine the flack he would have been getting on here !
Pices-55
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by Ferfichkin:
“If you do, please watch this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdU3eORpNhY


It is sensual and romantic and even tender.”

Surely though every dance has its own identity, the clip above is fab, though I felt a bit like a peeping tom watching it, and of course non of the celebs are ever going to attain the perfection of the pro's, they are just novices.
Jason and Kristina's AT was awesome as far as I am concerned, full of intensity and drama and well deserving of the full score in this type of show.
So I appreciate what you are saying with regard to the perception of the dance......but it does vary somewhat.
RichmondBlue
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by Ferfichkin:
“If you do, please watch this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdU3eORpNhY


It is sensual and romantic and even tender.”

Thankyou. Yes. I agree..gripping and very sensual. All done without expensive lighting and filmed with one fixed camera..that shows quality doesn't need special effects.
*Venetia*
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“I think it was Alesha's showdance that warranted the comment from Craig: "You danced as if your life depended on it."

That's exactly how I felt watching Jason dance the AT last night. Infact, I am not sure any contestant has put that much heart and soul into a performance; it left him totally spent.”

This! The first dance this series that has truely WOWed me.

Chelsee and Harry dance well but I see no passion in their performances.
fog
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“Kristina certainly pulled out all the stops, but Jason had to play his part as well..and quite frankly, I didn't think he had that kind of performance in him before last night.
If he had been wimpy and doe-eyed, with a fixed grin, imagine the flack he would have been getting on here !”

as i said. the strength was certainly there from jason. so he did well...i just thought that the absolute attack that kristina threw into it helped a good deal. with that coming at you it would be impossible to be 'wimpy' 'doe-eyed' and have a 'fixed grin'. she literally forced the aggression and passion out of him. good job kristina!
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