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Chelsee's 40 was better than Jason's
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Monaogg
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by Ferfichkin:
“If you do, please watch this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdU3eORpNhY


It is sensual and romantic and even tender.”

Like watching foreplay.
Ferfichkin
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by Pices-55:
“Surely though every dance has its own identity, the clip above is fab, though I felt a bit like a peeping tom watching it, and of course non of the celebs are ever going to attain the perfection of the pro's, they are just novices.
Jason and Kristina's AT was awesome as far as I am concerned, full of intensity and drama and well deserving of the full score in this type of show.
So I appreciate what you are saying with regard to the perception of the dance......but it does vary somewhat.”


I suppose it's all down to taste, as per usual. Naturally there can be more intense ATs, with some more passionate and others more romantic. Of course the celebs are never going to match what true pros can do, but IMO many of the SCD pros seem to struggle with the AT themselves. They favor drama and pulling faces over any real content, which is a shame.

Some people loved their AT, others didn't. For me it lacked any real content, was badly overacted, and came off more psychotically creepy than passionate or dramatic. I even rewatched it today just to see if I'd missed something. Nope. Except without the element of surprise I found myself laughing at the hair sniffing right the way through to the last dip.

I guess what I'm saying is that we'll have to agree to disagree.
Ferfichkin
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Like watching foreplay. ”

I know. And not a gurn or choke hold or hair sniff in sight.
Pices-55
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by Ferfichkin:
“I suppose it's all down to taste, as per usual. Naturally there can be more intense ATs, with some more passionate and others more romantic. Of course the celebs are never going to match what true pros can do, but IMO many of the SCD pros seem to struggle with the AT themselves. They favor drama and pulling faces over any real content, which is a shame.

Some people loved their AT, others didn't. For me it lacked any real content, was badly overacted, and came off more psychotically creepy than passionate or dramatic. I even rewatched it today just to see if I'd missed something. Nope. Except without the element of surprise I found myself laughing at the hair sniffing right the way through to the last dip.

I guess what I'm saying is that we'll have to agree to disagree. ”



Of course, we dont all respond to the same things, far from putting me off my food, Jasons '' performance'' gave me quite an appetite
*stargazer*
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“Wasn't he supposed to be a lecherous ? Isn't the AT usually about some gaucho in a bodega looking for a lady of easy virtue ?”

Precisely!!!! And for me the story telling was spot on! Fantastic dance and all credit to both of them. And as for the people who didn't think he deserved it? The judges did and you can't take that away from him. I don't think he will win against such tough competition, so I am really pleased he had that moment.
BuddyBontheNet
11-12-2011
We're at the stage now where most of us know who our favourites are and who we just don't get why others choose other couples. But last night it really felt to me that like the old Strictly was back - at last!

We had Alex and Holly doing their best, but only managing to do one good dance out of two and clearly not good enough for the final. Then there was Harry doing two good dances, but although I can see that Harry is a good dancer and that he's a nice guy, when I watch him dance he just never even raises a goosebump on my arm - this has happened to me before with other celebs to like Zoe and Emma).

Then there was Chelsee and Jason who I love to watch and last night I felt the joy they were feeling feel when they danced! I found myself holding my breath during their second dances and I thought I saw a moment of uncertainness in Chelsee's Paso, so Jason's AT edged past her with their 40s. What a way to end the semi final!
*stargazer*
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“We're at the stage now where most of us know who our favourites are and who we just don't get why others choose other couples. But last night it really felt to me that like the old Strictly was back - at last!

We had Alex and Holly doing their best, but only managing to do one good dance out of two and clearly not good enough for the final. Then there was Harry doing two good dances, but although I can see that Harry is a good dancer and that he's a nice guy, when I watch him dance he just never even raises a goosebump on my arm - this has happened to me before with other celebs to like Zoe and Emma).

Then there was Chelsee and Jason who I love to watch and last night I felt the joy they were feeling feel when they danced! I found myself holding my breath during their second dances and I thought I saw a moment of uncertainness in Chelsee's Paso, so Jason's AT edged past her with their 40s. What a way to end the semi final! ”

Agree with all of that! Harry may be technically a great dancer but he does absolutely nothing for me. Neither does Holly. They both leave me totally cold.
shefair
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by *stargazer*:
“Precisely!!!! And for me the story telling was spot on! Fantastic dance and all credit to both of them. And as for the people who didn't think he deserved it? The judges did and you can't take that away from him. I don't think he will win against such tough competition, so I am really pleased he had that moment.”

did you just ignore the following posts?
Jennyloo
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by petertard:
“I could understand her getting 40 (but it could have been 39) but Jason's 40 just puzzled and amazed me. I expected maybe 36, four 9's. I think the judges decided they wanted him in the final rather than Holly and that would put him there ahead of her.”

Glad somebody else thinks so. If it had been anyone else they would have given him 8 at most. He was abysmal in the Argentine tango but then his partner only chorographed for herself anyway. Does it a lot.
I think Jason is finding it very hard as the show goes on. Chelsea was brilliant, though even she's made a few mistakes but Jason was just being patronised, as he had the right acting ability but he was given hardly any steps.
Holly was great last night and last week but she seems uninvolved, so its obviously about the personality not the dancing.
RichmondBlue
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by Ferfichkin:
“I suppose it's all down to taste, as per usual. Naturally there can be more intense ATs, with some more passionate and others more romantic. Of course the celebs are never going to match what true pros can do, but IMO many of the SCD pros seem to struggle with the AT themselves. They favor drama and pulling faces over any real content, which is a shame.

Some people loved their AT, others didn't. For me it lacked any real content, was badly overacted, and came off more psychotically creepy than passionate or dramatic. I even rewatched it today just to see if I'd missed something. Nope. Except without the element of surprise I found myself laughing at the hair sniffing right the way through to the last dip.

I guess what I'm saying is that we'll have to agree to disagree. ”

Fair enough, you (and shefair) have managed to convince me that there is more than one way to dance the AT.
I still think you are both being a little harsh on Jason, you can reduce almost any dance performance by ridiculing little gestures. They only have 90 seconds to present some kind of storyline and create a character. I was one of Jason's harshest critics on here, but I thought he did a remarkable job last night..given his rather campy, showbiz gurning earlier in the series. In my opinion it was intense and dramatic. Was it overacted ?..maybe, but you can't do a NT level of performance in 90 seconds darling.
Jennyloo
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by tease18:
“So happy am not the only one who thought this, was warting to wonder if i was watching a different dance to everyone else. Jason didn't hardly do anything, just held arms out for Kristina while she dance (what she dance was very good but the about the celeb). If it was anyone else dancing bet judges would of notice this. As for it having passion etc, i just thought Jason was going over the top, faces he was pulling were scary and weird, not passionate. Personally i enjoyed Holly AT more, better content and she actually was dancing for most of it.

Did think Chelsee deserve a 40 but if anyone else deserved a 40 would been Harry, definitely for his VW but Craig didn't because his head should been slightly more to the left and gave one to Jason who didn't even do much actual dancing, doesn't make sense to me ”

Your post is one of the best analysis of this thread. At last an accurate view. I'm beginning to think this is a case of "The Emperors New Clothes", as in people seeing what they want to see. There was defo no dancing going on with Jason. I was applalled at Kristina talking all the moves, as she has done with Jason frequently. I think hes getting exhasted with it all. You could tell by his comments last night.
bigbro24
11-12-2011
Chelsee's was better all Jason did was ham it - his face.... wasnt pleasant watching
kirstylouise666
11-12-2011
I thought Jason's was awful, and I like him too. Thought it was his worst dance, let alone best one
Jennyloo
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by PinkyPig:
“He's my favourite too. I won't be heart broken to see Harry win in due course though (which is my prediction), but don't let the horrible Jason-bashing on this forum trick you into thinking he doesn't have much support. Outside of this forum, I think he's pretty popular.

And back to the topic of this thread, well I'm sure all the Jason-haters will be spitting feathers at him getting 40, but when I watched that dance, it really did blow me away. I had felt Chelsee deserved her 40 (in comparison to the other dances last night), but when Jason did that AT, I really did feel he deserved 40 even more than Chelsee.”

Why do you assume that critiscm means hate. I didnt like his AT but I like him. One can do both actually.
shefair
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“Fair enough, you (and shefair) have managed to convince me that there is more than one way to dance the AT.
I still think you are both being a little harsh on Jason, you can reduce almost any dance performance by ridiculing little gestures. They only have 90 seconds to present some kind of storyline and create a character. I was one of Jason's harshest critics on here, but I thought he did a remarkable job last night..given his rather campy, showbiz gurning earlier in the series. In my opinion it was intense and dramatic. Was it overacted ?..maybe, but you can't do a NT level of performance in 90 seconds darling. ”

What made me annoyed though was the fact that Jason who had acted like a serial killer with so little dancing in his AT had been given marks of 40 in a dancing not acting competition

I do however blame Kristina for this Jason can dance very well so why make the dance so much about her and not celebrating his dancing
Ultima Thule
12-12-2011
Me, my OH and her relatives were all bemused by Chelsee’s 40s score. We even thought she must have mucked up the routine because she looked upset at the end. She was certainly a bit wobbly in places and at times seemed to hesitate, as if trying to think of what she was meant to be doing next.

As a Jason fan, my OH loved his AT, although personally I don't think it was worth 40 either. It just seems indicative of the overmarking generally this series, particularly with Alesha handing out 10s like sweeties. I wonder how many perfect 40s there will be in the final?
YULSTAR
12-12-2011
I agree, I thought she looked quite shaky in quite a few places, it was a brilliant dance but if that was a 40, Harry's should have been too.....I wonder how they actually distinguish?
frally
12-12-2011
Chelsee and Jason fans should be more concerned that they were both awarded 40 points before the final.

Isn't this supposed to be the kiss of death as no winner of SCD has ever scored 40 points before the final?
Veri
12-12-2011
I don't care which of the over-rated Jason and Chelsee was less over-rated.
Veri
12-12-2011
Originally Posted by tease18:
“So happy am not the only one who thought this, was warting to wonder if i was watching a different dance to everyone else. Jason didn't hardly do anything, just held arms out for Kristina while she dance (what she dance was very good but the about the celeb). If it was anyone else dancing bet judges would of notice this. As for it having passion etc, i just thought Jason was going over the top, faces he was pulling were scary and weird, not passionate. Personally i enjoyed Holly AT more, better content and she actually was dancing for most of it.

Did think Chelsee deserve a 40 but if anyone else deserved a 40 would been Harry, definitely for his VW but Craig didn't because his head should been slightly more to the left and gave one to Jason who didn't even do much actual dancing, doesn't make sense to me ”

That is not why Craig didn't give him a 10.

I don't have time right now to watch it again to get an exact quote, but Craig said something like if Harry's head had been slightly more to the left, he (Craig) would have overlooked _____. I've forgotten what goes in the _____, but it was why -- or at least part of why -- Craig didn't give Harry a 10.

Then Tess repeated the head to the left thing as if it had been the only thing mentioned.
Miriam_R
12-12-2011
IMO I don't think Chelsee deserved a 40, or that Jason deserveda 40 and, if Harry had been given one, don't think he would have deserved it either. I think either a 38 or 39 score for all three would have been acceptable scores from what the judges on Saturday.
millie3
12-12-2011
I loved both dances, as well as Harry's charleston and as I keep saying the scores don't matter, its the placings on the leader board that count. They, I thought were right.
Also despite where they were on the leader board Jason must have got more votes than Holly to have gone through. A point all those calling 'fix' are reluctant to acknowledge.
ruby-tuesday
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by Ferfichkin:
“If you do, please watch this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdU3eORpNhY

It is sensual and romantic and even tender.”

I was just lurking in here and found this, thank you for posting, it is beautiful, the girl is watching the man for most of the dance and looks as though she's in love .... do you know if they are a couple in real life?
Ignazio
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I've rewatched that QS so often that I could probably fill in for Pasha

There's more scope for improvement than Harry's QS, so strategically, it might be the one to go for.

Decisions, decisions!”

Thank the Lord you don't fancy filling in for Chelsee.
Monkseal
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by Veri:
“That is not why Craig didn't give him a 10.

I don't have time right now to watch it again to get an exact quote, but Craig said something like if Harry's head had been slightly more to the left, he (Craig) would have overlooked _____. I've forgotten what goes in the _____, but it was why -- or at least part of why -- Craig didn't give Harry a 10.

Then Tess repeated the head to the left thing as if it had been the only thing mentioned.”

It was spotting. He said Harry was spotting in his fleckerl. I agreed, for what it's worth. Only thing that took me out the dance.
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