Craig's 10s are still gold standard in my book. Harry and Aliona's dances didn't deserve 10s for the reasons Craig gave so he didn't deliver them. This might be upsetting to H&A fans but not to anyone else.
Craig's 10's
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Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Agree imo Chelsee's AS was undermarked and if any dance was overmarked tonight it was Harry's Charleston.”
“Agree imo Chelsee's AS was undermarked and if any dance was overmarked tonight it was Harry's Charleston.”
This!
Harry did a very good Charleston (technique-wise it was getting on for being at Kara's level), it was just a shame he performed first and perhaps better than the producers expected. The judges had nowhere to go scoring-wise. Alex has been horrendously overmarked for weeks.
Tens are immaterial giving what happened when Snowdon lurched in to series 6 - the leaderboard is much more important.
Craig knows very well perfection is impossible, something always happens which he either does not notice or chooses to ignore. He had decided to nitpick on Harry's dances and he did.
It is my opinion that the marks were decided before the show started.
The order of the leader board was decided and the marks were allocated accordingly.
Short of dropping Kristina or falling over Jason was always going to get 10s in order to keep him in the final over Holly.
It was transparently obvious.
The order of the leader board was decided and the marks were allocated accordingly.
Short of dropping Kristina or falling over Jason was always going to get 10s in order to keep him in the final over Holly.
It was transparently obvious.
Do they really care who's in the final to the degree of manipulating their votes? 
Surely Craig does not look like someone who let others tell him what to do. And praising somebody too much usually has an opposite effect anyway. I think Jason works hard, gets results and deserves the place in the final over Holly.
Surely Craig does not look like someone who let others tell him what to do. And praising somebody too much usually has an opposite effect anyway. I think Jason works hard, gets results and deserves the place in the final over Holly.
Originally Posted by lynwood3:
“It is my opinion that the marks were decided before the show started.
The order of the leader board was decided and the marks were allocated accordingly.
Short of dropping Kristina or falling over Jason was always going to get 10s in order to keep him in the final over Holly.
It was transparently obvious.”
“It is my opinion that the marks were decided before the show started.
The order of the leader board was decided and the marks were allocated accordingly.
Short of dropping Kristina or falling over Jason was always going to get 10s in order to keep him in the final over Holly.
It was transparently obvious.”
Absolutely agree with you .As soon as the four tens came out for Jason it became blatently obvious it was all decided .
Holly low marks , Jason high marks all set out and planned IMO
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“Craig knows very well perfection is impossible, something always happens which he either does not notice or chooses to ignore. He had decided to nitpick on Harry's dances and he did.”
“Craig knows very well perfection is impossible, something always happens which he either does not notice or chooses to ignore. He had decided to nitpick on Harry's dances and he did.”
It would have been easier to ignore it if Ian hadn't picked up the issue in the week, it wasn't corrected and for many ITT viewers it would have been obvious as not the exact technique.
Originally Posted by echad:
“They were devalued way back in series 6 when Lisa Snowdon took to the dancefloor.
To be honest, I just expect that around this time in the competition each year Craig will completely lose his mind.”
“They were devalued way back in series 6 when Lisa Snowdon took to the dancefloor.
To be honest, I just expect that around this time in the competition each year Craig will completely lose his mind.”
people have such an un needed hate for lisa some of her dances were excellent!.
Originally Posted by lynwood3:
“It is my opinion that the marks were decided before the show started.
The order of the leader board was decided and the marks were allocated accordingly.
Short of dropping Kristina or falling over Jason was always going to get 10s in order to keep him in the final over Holly.
It was transparently obvious.”
“It is my opinion that the marks were decided before the show started.
The order of the leader board was decided and the marks were allocated accordingly.
Short of dropping Kristina or falling over Jason was always going to get 10s in order to keep him in the final over Holly.
It was transparently obvious.”
Unless you're of the opinion that he deserved to be below Alex (or if we want to get into the psychological impact of the judges scores on voting) it didn't make a difference. When people are next to one another on the leaderboard it doesn't matter who is on top of who (F'NAR) with the judges, with regards to who gets through. Whoever has the most public votes always will.
Originally Posted by penguinperson:
“It would have been easier to ignore it if Ian hadn't picked up the issue in the week, it wasn't corrected and for many ITT viewers it would have been obvious as not the exact technique.”
“It would have been easier to ignore it if Ian hadn't picked up the issue in the week, it wasn't corrected and for many ITT viewers it would have been obvious as not the exact technique.
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I think you are absolutely right. But as someone who missed ITT all week I would have never have thought that the head was a fault that detracted a point until Craig mentioned. Once he did, fair enough 39 is more than a fair score.
The issue is that Chelsee's had plenty of more obvious flaws. Jason's, on the other hand, had no obvious flaws to the untrained AT watcher.
The marking was ludicrous throughout.
Really disappointed in Craig because he, of all people, should not have awarded 10s for those particular dances.
Really disappointed in Craig because he, of all people, should not have awarded 10s for those particular dances.
Originally Posted by rickster1995:
“people have such an un needed hate for lisa some of her dances were excellent!.”
“people have such an un needed hate for lisa some of her dances were excellent!.”
Who said anything about hate? It was years ago, I've got over it. But I still don't believe her Foxtrot or Cha Cha Cha were worth perfect scores. It's called an opinion, and you're free to disagree with me, as you have so eloquently done.
Originally Posted by petertard:
“Are now devalued. I could see no difference between the 9's for Harry's dances and the 10's for Chelsee and Jason. Why 9's for some, and 10's for others ?”
“Are now devalued. I could see no difference between the 9's for Harry's dances and the 10's for Chelsee and Jason. Why 9's for some, and 10's for others ?”
I agree. Chelsee's footwork was not perfect or her posture. If you blinked you would miss Jason's typical AT footwork. Craig notes very picky with Harry. Worst offence in QS but also in VW. Both Brendan and Artem said wow after Harry's dance last night. Pros do not usually express opinions like that. Even one the pros openly said Harry deserved 4 tens.
Originally Posted by holly berry:
“Craig's 10s are still gold standard in my book. Harry and Aliona's dances didn't deserve 10s for the reasons Craig gave so he didn't deliver them. This might be upsetting to H&A fans but not to anyone else.”
“Craig's 10s are still gold standard in my book. Harry and Aliona's dances didn't deserve 10s for the reasons Craig gave so he didn't deliver them. This might be upsetting to H&A fans but not to anyone else.”
Well said
Originally Posted by holly berry:
“Craig's 10s are still gold standard in my book. Harry and Aliona's dances didn't deserve 10s for the reasons Craig gave so he didn't deliver them. This might be upsetting to H&A fans but not to anyone else.”
“Craig's 10s are still gold standard in my book. Harry and Aliona's dances didn't deserve 10s for the reasons Craig gave so he didn't deliver them. This might be upsetting to H&A fans but not to anyone else.”
I'm not a Harry and Aliona fan and I didn't think any of the dances last night deserved 40, however I may get over the devastation eventually.
Originally Posted by holly berry:
“Craig's 10s are still gold standard in my book. Harry and Aliona's dances didn't deserve 10s for the reasons Craig gave so he didn't deliver them. This might be upsetting to H&A fans but not to anyone else.”
“Craig's 10s are still gold standard in my book. Harry and Aliona's dances didn't deserve 10s for the reasons Craig gave so he didn't deliver them. This might be upsetting to H&A fans but not to anyone else.”
No, it's also slightly annoying to people who want to see a fair and level competition. Chelsee's dance had hesitations and a timing issue near the end, and the half open fan was also slightly distracting.
Can't comment on Jason's, because I was too busy watching Kristina. But that's actually a sign of a good male dancer!
As I said, the 10 is down to the judge's taste. Technically neither one of them deserved a 10.
Craig's 10s always have a value that those of the others don't and he's right to be so sparing with them.
However - it also means that he paints himself into a corner, I always feel. Because come the Semi-Final and Final there's a certain pressure for him to finally use them - and they end up getting brought out for dances that don't quite deserve it and we're all throwing our arms up in despair wondering what he's playing at.
However - it also means that he paints himself into a corner, I always feel. Because come the Semi-Final and Final there's a certain pressure for him to finally use them - and they end up getting brought out for dances that don't quite deserve it and we're all throwing our arms up in despair wondering what he's playing at.
Originally Posted by blindside:
“Craig's 10s always have a value that those of the others don't and he's right to be so sparing with them.
However - it also means that he paints himself into a corner, I always feel. Because come the Semi-Final and Final there's a certain pressure for him to finally use them - and they end up getting brought out for dances that don't quite deserve it and we're all throwing our arms up in despair wondering what he's playing at.”
“Craig's 10s always have a value that those of the others don't and he's right to be so sparing with them.
However - it also means that he paints himself into a corner, I always feel. Because come the Semi-Final and Final there's a certain pressure for him to finally use them - and they end up getting brought out for dances that don't quite deserve it and we're all throwing our arms up in despair wondering what he's playing at.”
I really agree with this.
For instance last year the first time he awarded Kara a 10 was in the final to her AS. Kara didn't dance very well in the final (granted it was because of her injury), and there were definitely some mistakes in their AS. If he were to award her a 10 he should've done it in semifinal to her Rumba. But I think that was his last chance to give such an amazing dancer a 10, so he just gave it to her.
Come on guys, this isn't a dance competition, its a personality contest
or am I being too cynical
Last edited by kernowlad : 11-12-2011 at 15:52
or am I being too cynical
Last edited by kernowlad : 11-12-2011 at 15:52
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“Do they really care who's in the final to the degree of manipulating their votes? Surely Craig does not look like someone who let others tell him what to do. And praising somebody too much usually has an opposite effect anyway. I think Jason works hard, gets results and deserves the place in the final over Holly.”
“Do they really care who's in the final to the degree of manipulating their votes?
Surely Craig does not look like someone who let others tell him what to do. And praising somebody too much usually has an opposite effect anyway. I think Jason works hard, gets results and deserves the place in the final over Holly.”
I think they care enough to have the best final possible so will try to keep the best in 'til the end.
The whole series has been overmarked, in my opinion ofcourse, perhaps to give the impression that everyone is better than they really are. The dancing this year has been quite poor overall. Aleshas's throwing out the tens early on has totally devalued the standard of dancing expected.
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