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Artem's Charleston
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thenetworkbabe
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by ElizaDnl:
“The dance, regardless of choreography, played to Holly's weaknesses. She couldn't really spend this one sitting on a chair for half of the routine, could she.
The choreography played to her strength inasmuch as it gave her a character she was (or would have been if she hadn't been so exhausted) happy to portray. Was it too fast and too difficult? Maybe, but then again she coped with the jive very well, which was much more full on, I thought.”

Not much of a character there though, or any obvious story. No actor can act if they have no character to play. You could do a hectic routine in a week where there was one dance , but two big dances in one week with lots of intricate steps was potentially too much for anyone - Kristina gave Jason far less to do and learn and Alex would never have attempted it. No idea either why anyone would put a cartwheel or anything like one , late it into the second routine of a two dance show when his celeb was clearly tiring anyway. Not sure either why he would want to go for the gymnastics with Holly. Just because she can do them doesn't mean she should, or there were not better less exhausting, things to do. There's a reason why most top gymnasts are about 5 foot and why nearly all the top females on DOI, with the lifting requirement there, have been 5-2 or under. Pasha wisely hasn't gone down that route with Chelsee and Holly is a stronger, or certainly more experienced , actor to work with.
k9fan
11-12-2011
I thought the Argentine Tango was brilliant, and reminiscent of Mark and Karen.

However, I thought that the choreography of the charleston let her down, I was very disappointed in it. In fact, because the television was on for someone else to watch another programme, I watched it on a laptop without the sound and I wasn't certain which dance it was supposed to be some of the time.
holly berry
11-12-2011
I loved Artem's choreography for the Charleston. It breathed fresh air into a dance that can be so cheesy, naff and predictable.

Unfortunately the timing needs to be perfect and I suspect the task demands were slightly above Holly's skill level at this stage of the tournament.

I would love to see it danced again by two pro dancers.
rifleman
11-12-2011
Loved it Just a pity it was on a week of 2 dances so holly had so much to remember. Be nice to see it done properley by the 2 professionals.
rifleman
11-12-2011
I thought the AT was one of the best and deserved better much better than Jasons but then the Males celebs have an advantage as alot of the AT is about the female dancers. Holly and Harry's were the best of the season.
Though would love to have seen Alex doing it but I think Mark Rampakash would have had to leand certain sports equipment to James.
helena123
11-12-2011
I actually really enjoyed it and I expected to hate it because of the song.

Also I thought it suited Holly well, okay the faster dances don't usually suit her, but not many people could play it as cool as Holly.
katkim
11-12-2011
I thought the concept and choreographer was amazing. The outgoing, over the top, cheesy factor of the Charleston wouldn't have suited Holly's personality so I think Artem was right to subvert it the way he did. It was really clever, innovative and exciting, but on the other hand it kind of highlighted her lack of stamina. Maybe if she only had one dance this week or if it had been performed earlier in the series, it would have been better. As it is, the performance wasn't up to scratch.
RichmondBlue
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by holly berry:
“I loved Artem's choreography for the Charleston. It breathed fresh air into a dance that can be so cheesy, naff and predictable.

Unfortunately the timing needs to be perfect and I suspect the task demands were slightly above Holly's skill level at this stage of the tournament.

I would love to see it danced again by two pro dancers.”

I was going to say exactly the same, so you've saved me the trouble. The choreography was very interesting, but on the night the gamble just didn't pay-off. As you say, it would be great to see it again danced by two professionals.
Scarlett Berry
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by edy10:
“I really like Artem as a choreograher but I dont think he choreographs well to the best of his partners ability.That routine would have worked with someone else but I dont think it did Holly any favours.”

I agree with you, she looked all leaden and clumpy in that routine. Beautiful woman but she didn't suit the choreography.
*Jupiter*
11-12-2011
I liked the kara tointon charleston, which was unusual and classy, however the holly charleston wasn't artems finest hour i think. Granted the usual gurnfest and holly would look uncomfortable. However i think it was to difficult for her, the dance felt disconnected to the music and at times artem couldn't pull that routine off.
SheShe
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by edy10:
“I really like Artem as a choreograher but I dont think he choreographs well to the best of his partners ability.That routine would have worked with someone else but I dont think it did Holly any favours.”

I agree. I also thought Holly's outfit was absolutely dire.

The Charleston is one of my favourite dances but it's tricky to do well.
soulmate61
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by blackberry000:
“I loved it. It really suited Holly's attitude as well.

I think that lift they were trying to do near the end which got messed was just not suitable for Holly as she's a tall girl, and definitely too big for Artem. It made the poor girl look heavy!”

I loved the AT not least for the violin of Itzak Perlman. I did not love the charleston not least for the music.

Artem is 5 foot 11, evidently super-fast but perhaps not as muscled as James nor with as much leverage as 6-foot-2 Ian. Holly is almost the same height as Artem but seemingly wider and heavier. All credit to young Holly for fearlessly turning the cartwheel, game to attempt anything Artem asked of her.

In the end sequence where Artem dragged Holly up from between his legs, they barely made it, in the process falling behind the beat. A laboured effort cannot portray a frothy carefree charleston. As Artem came to stand before the judges I think Brucie asked Artem did he feel alright? Brucie evidently saw something viewers did not.

In the Tesspit Tess asked Holly how was the dance? Holly replied feelingly with half surprise that she had survived -- I believe she meant every word.

100% to Holly for willingness and commitment, but perhaps the routine woud be too demanding for anybody carrying her weight.
echad
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“I loved the AT not least for the violin of Itzak Perlman. I did not love the charleston not least for the music.

Artem is 5 foot 11, evidently super-fast but perhaps not as muscled as James nor with as much leverage as 6-foot-2 Ian. Holly is almost the same height as Artem but seemingly wider and heavier. All credit to young Holly for fearlessly turning the cartwheel, game to attempt anything Artem asked of her.

In the end sequence where Artem dragged Holly up from between his legs, they barely made it, in the process falling behind the beat. A laboured effort cannot portray a frothy carefree charleston. As Artem came to stand before the judges I think Brucie asked Artem did he feel alright? Brucie evidently saw something viewers did not.

In the Tesspit Tess asked Holly how was the dance? Holly replied feelingly with half surprise that she had survived -- I believe she meant every word.

100% to Holly for willingness and commitment, but perhaps the routine woud be too demanding for anybody carrying her weight.”

In fairness, I think it was beyond the capability of most celebs. If you watch it back and just focus on Artem's footwork, it is hard to imagine even someone like Kara being able to keep up.
RichmondBlue
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by *Jupiter*:
“I liked the kara tointon charleston, which was unusual and classy, however the holly charleston wasn't artems finest hour i think. Granted the usual gurnfest and holly would look uncomfortable. However i think it was to difficult for her, the dance felt disconnected to the music and at times artem couldn't pull that routine off.”

Yes, I have nothing against avant-garde choreography. A VW in shorts, a grubby tee-shirt and Doc Martens could work..but it would have to be brilliant with some kind of appropriate story line to match.
Artem's charleston didn't work last night..for me anyway.
It's a pity because the charleston is usually the chance to gain public votes. A frantic, funny, and downright cheesy routine is what the public expect..and sometimes it's best to just "go with the flow".
Alli-F
11-12-2011
I don't think the charleston would have worked for Holly whatever the choreography though. There's just no way of avoiding the feel and the lightness of it, just like the jive and it's just not Holly's bag, as she might put it.

I think Artem did the best he could with a celebrity that was never going to be able to pull that particular dance off.
primer
11-12-2011
i normally hate the charleston (ola and whatsisname's cheesy routine being a text book example of why...),

i loved this one. its the only dance i've watched again.
bloggingbelle
11-12-2011
Loved the choreography but the Charleston was never going to suit someone as long limbed as Holly.

I do think Holly was too tall for Artem and the pairing was wrong on that basis.
blackberry000
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“I loved the AT not least for the violin of Itzak Perlman. I did not love the charleston not least for the music.

Artem is 5 foot 11, evidently super-fast but perhaps not as muscled as James nor with as much leverage as 6-foot-2 Ian. Holly is almost the same height as Artem but seemingly wider and heavier. All credit to young Holly for fearlessly turning the cartwheel, game to attempt anything Artem asked of her.

In the end sequence where Artem dragged Holly up from between his legs, they barely made it, in the process falling behind the beat. A laboured effort cannot portray a frothy carefree charleston. As Artem came to stand before the judges I think Brucie asked Artem did he feel alright? Brucie evidently saw something viewers did not.

In the Tesspit Tess asked Holly how was the dance? Holly replied feelingly with half surprise that she had survived -- I believe she meant every word.

100% to Holly for willingness and commitment, but perhaps the routine woud be too demanding for anybody carrying her weight.”

That's the lift I was talking about. When I saw it in midweek training I thought they're either going to magically make it look amazing or bin it. I didn't think it suited Holly's size. And because Artem is small for her, the whole thing made her look like a heavy sack of potato. If she can do a cartwheel then she must be able to bear her own weight. It's just that the dimensions don't work with the length of Artem's limbs and Holly's limbs...

I haven't said this before, because I like Artem's choreography and I think they serve Holly well. But I now really think she should've been partnered with Brendan. The arrangement of Artem choreographing and Brendan dancing with her worked very well in my opinion!

That routine was very difficult. And some of the difficult footwork Artem was doing, I saw Holly doing them in midweek training as well. But I think after the mess of the lift she kind of lost it.

It's a shame, she's such a talented dancer. Just needed the right person to bring out of her.
TuscanSun
11-12-2011
I loathe the Charleston with a passion - but I loved this routine. Just not to be for Holly though and think lack of fitness was a bit of an issue for her.

Love to see Artem dance this with a pro partner.
Tangerine_82
11-12-2011
It's the only Charleston I've ever seen that I didn't think was ridiculous to look at. It was cool as opposed to silly.
Alli-F
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by blackberry000:
“That's the lift I was talking about. When I saw it in midweek training I thought they're either going to magically make it look amazing or bin it. I didn't think it suited Holly's size. And because Artem is small for her, the whole thing made her look like a heavy sack of potato. If she can do a cartwheel then she must be able to bear her own weight. It's just that the dimensions don't work with the length of Artem's limbs and Holly's limbs...

I haven't said this before, because I like Artem's choreography and I think they serve Holly well. But I now really think she should've been partnered with Brendan. The arrangement of Artem choreographing and Brendan dancing with her worked very well in my opinion!

That routine was very difficult. And some of the difficult footwork Artem was doing, I saw Holly doing them in midweek training as well. But I think after the mess of the lift she kind of lost it.

It's a shame, she's such a talented dancer. Just needed the right person to bring out of her.”



I love how we all see things SO differently. I thought that Holly was a pretty average dancer with poor core and a poor frame, especially in hold. Thought she was lovely though and loved her attitude.

So I think Artem did the most amazing job to choreograph so that, for a lot of the time, we forgot how rubbish a dancer Holly could be and got swept along with the beauty of the dance. And it was only when Holly got one of the more physically demanding dances that we would suddently get jarred out of the performance.
Jane Davies
14-12-2011
Originally Posted by Amandagirl:
“I loved it and all that concept but Holly wasn't that good really ”

I too loved choreography but felt Holly wasn't that good dancing it - quite a lot of moves didn't duplicate Artems. I too think they suffered because she was too tall for Artem. Why did Artem decide to change the charleston music right at the last minute, I wonder if they had got through to final whether Holly would have coped with four dances including a show dance with lots of lifts.
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