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The first proper paso since Jill Halfpenny
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Psychosis
11-12-2011
It might have been choreographed well but I thought it was one of her worst dances.
Stansfield
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by Jocko Homo:
“The flamenco, the shaping, everything! Fantastic choreography by Pasha and danced brilliantly by Chelsee. Possibly an unpopular opinion but I thought it was well worth 4 tens.”

Not here, she was Brilliant....TeamChelsee
soulmate61
11-12-2011
Putting all memories and opinions aside, please give your own marks for the following 4 paso's, stopping the clip after the dance without waiting for judges:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceIkin9QaVk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9YW60SHGqs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LRuX3QTPOM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q4eUF79t5s

Do not open the judges' spoiler until your own marking is complete , thank you.

Spoiler

Chelsee - 40
Jill - 37
Holly - 38
Kara - 37
jill1812
11-12-2011
My jaw actually dropped watching Chelsee and Pasha. She is an incredible dancer, totally deserved the four 10's.
marinamau
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“Putting all memories and opinions aside, please give your own marks for the following 4 paso's, stopping the clip after the dance without waiting for judges:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceIkin9QaVk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9YW60SHGqs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LRuX3QTPOM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q4eUF79t5s

Do not open the judges' spoiler until your own marking is complete , thank you.

Spoiler

Chelsee - 40
Jill - 37
Holly - 38
Kara - 37
”

This is great. it really is easier to compare them after watching them all four back to back.

Spoiler
This is how I would have scored them in terms of dances:
Jill - 39 (just because darren :yawn:, if this dance was danced with Artem would have been 40, not that I am obsessive or anything like that) And I am no Jill fan either as i only started watchings SCD in s5.

Kara - 38 (she is fantastic dancer, but Jills was more complex and technically demanding)

Holly's - 38 (her flamenco hands are the best of all four by miles)

Chelsee - 37 (or 36 as still not sure if it should get any 10's, her flamenco hands are dreadful, she doesn't arc her back at all, skippy, malfunction with the fan...)
fog
11-12-2011
i actually think because 9's came out for alex first dance it forced all the scores high for the others all night. consistently been overmarked our alex has. craig being the only one scoring correctly.
Monaogg
11-12-2011
I can see why Chelsee is being compared to Jill as they both did what I call a Bull Paso. Where Artem choreographed cape pasos for both Kara & Holly.

One thing watching all of them back to back like that was the straight arm was something both Jill & Chelsee did, where the expected curved arms were best done by Kara.
sofakat
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by blackberry000:
“ But ballet dancers all have some "bad habits" that get in their way of learning ballroom and latin, one is that they are not grounded enough.”

I'm sorry, but that's the silliest thing I have ever read. Ballet dancers not 'grounded'? I wonder how they manage to pull off a series turns en pointe without falling over then.

Perhaps this is more a question of semantics than actual knowledge?

I think you must mean in ballet you dance up and in flamenco and latin you dance down into the ground?

As an ex ballet dancer who mastered first flamenco then salsa (4 styles) and then AT - and managed to train to teach American social ballroom - I'm actually wondering how much about ballet you really know? I have never found the transition impossible. What exactly is your experience of this? I'd love to know. Please share. I am sure we can all earn something from this.
soulmate61
11-12-2011
If this was a gold medal exam then only dance achievement and artistic presentation by the celeb should be marked. If the full package is to be rated then Spanishness, choreography, music choice, costume, and partner would come into it.

Three dances out of four made me very happy, including Jill (38). Two out of four sent tingles down my spine, including the Zorro-esque presence of Holly (39) with an intermezzo without music.

The ultimate winner for me was Kara. Her paso was not pure Spanish and the execution not necessarily flawless. But Kara as dancer and woman touches my heart where no celeb ever could before or since.

40 for Kara even if she stands still.
Servalan
11-12-2011
Nobody's paso tops Austin and Erin's.

Not even Kara's.

And Ms Plastic Surgery doesn't even come close to either of those ...
SheShe
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“Nobody's paso tops Austin and Erin's.

Not even Kara's.

And Ms Plastic Surgery doesn't even come close to either of those ...”


How rude!
SheShe
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“Putting all memories and opinions aside, please give your own marks for the following 4 paso's, stopping the clip after the dance without waiting for judges:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceIkin9QaVk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9YW60SHGqs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LRuX3QTPOM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q4eUF79t5s

Do not open the judges' spoiler until your own marking is complete , thank you.

Spoiler

Chelsee - 40
Jill - 37
Holly - 38
Kara - 37
”

Very interesting to see them one after the other! I would have Kara top, followed by Jill, then Holly then Chelsee.
Servalan
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by SheShe:
“How rude!”

Why exactly is that 'rude'?

Chelsee has obviously had plastic surgery and, indeed, has remarked upon it. So why should referring to it be deemed as in any way impolite?

I commented at the start of the series on the number of female contestants who had cosmetic enhancement. I think it looks unnatural and I certainly don't understand why someone of Chelsee's age would think it even necessary. It's not like she had been in some appalling accident or something - she did it out of vanity and insecurity ... and if a public figure feels so badly about themselves that they want to go under the knife, they obviously open themselves up to people commenting on it.
Sherlock_Holmes
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“Why exactly is that 'rude'? ”

The level on this forum this weekend is shocking
Monaogg
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“Why exactly is that 'rude'?

Chelsee has obviously had plastic surgery and, indeed, has remarked upon it. So why should referring to it be deemed as in any way impolite?

I commented at the start of the series on the number of female contestants who had cosmetic enhancement. I think it looks unnatural and I certainly don't understand why someone of Chelsee's age would think it even necessary. It's not like she had been in some appalling accident or something - she did it out of vanity and insecurity ... and if a public figure feels so badly about themselves that they want to go under the knife, they obviously open themselves up to people commenting on it.”

She also regrets it. In this situation a lack of confidence resulted in the work. Now her confidence has said "stuff it" to any reversal.
*stargazer*
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“My jaw actually dropped watching Chelsee and Pasha. She is an incredible dancer, totally deserved the four 10's.”

When she did those lovely rapid Flamenco steps I went all goosebumpy. Just watched it again and the same thing happened. She does all the dances with such ease it is a joy to watch.
Xassy
11-12-2011
Nothing tops Kara's paso for me. I did love Chelsee's though and Jill's, of course. I don't think there is a single Jill dance I don't love. I never got the Austin paso hype.
flossieblossom
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by flaviawow:
“Not unpopular with me either,thoroughly deserved four 10's & in my opinion even more than Jason.This young lady is absolutely incredible.
As I'm an Arsenal it galls me to say that I will be rooting for Chelsee in the final.”

Me too!
flossieblossom
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by SheShe:
“How rude!”

Couldn't agree more. What on earth does her surgery have to do with her performance?

For what it's worth (and I quite liked him) Austen's paso did nothing for me - all style and no substance.
Jim Kowalski
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“Why exactly is that 'rude'?

Chelsee has obviously had plastic surgery and, indeed, has remarked upon it. So why should referring to it be deemed as in any way impolite?
.”

You did not "refer" to it,you wielded it as in an insult.
SCD-Observer
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by fog:
“i actually think because 9's came out for alex first dance it forced all the scores high for the others all night. consistently been overmarked our alex has. craig being the only one scoring correctly.”

So by implication, you are saying the perfect 40 (ten by Craig) to Chelsee and Jason were 'correctly scored'?
Miah
11-12-2011
I think it was the best Paso since Jill's, but Kara's was very good too. I'll also put in a word for Ramps' Paso which, whilst not as good, was still pretty decent and gets overlooked a lot.
Tipi
11-12-2011
Definitely not. I don't think it deserved the marks it got.
Looking at the 4 pasos posted by soulmate I would put Kara and Jill 1st followed by Holly and then Chelsee...
Servalan
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by Jim Kowalski:
“You did not "refer" to it,you wielded it as in an insult.”

That's not an insult. It's a legitimate remark to make about someone who chose to have cosmetic surgery done. I'd gladly make it, or similar comments about others who have had had their features enhanced: Lulu, Patsy Kensit, etc.

Sorry if that upsets you - but living in the public eye invites comments. And what I said was pretty mild compared to some things I've read ...
Servalan
11-12-2011
Originally Posted by flossieblossom:
“Couldn't agree more. What on earth does her surgery have to do with her performance?”

Chelsee performs very well - but, rather like when Leslie Ash got her features surgically altered, what she looks like is a constant distraction for me. And SCD is not purely about performance. It's a reality series where we are invited to invest in the contestants. And I rather struggle to invest in a young woman who chose to have her features altered becaue she didn't feel happy with who she was/is. Especially when there was nothing wrong with how she looked ...

If it doesn't bother you, fine. But please don't dismiss others' opinions as irrelevant just because you don't agree with them ...
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