The first proper paso since Jill Halfpenny

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samanda

11-12-2011

Originally Posted by Servalan:
“That's not an insult. It's a legitimate remark to make about someone who chose to have cosmetic surgery done. I'd gladly make it, or similar comments about others who have had had their features enhanced: Lulu, Patsy Kensit, etc.

Sorry if that upsets you - but living in the public eye invites comments. And what I said was pretty mild compared to some things I've read ...”

I also don't understand what the comment has to do with a discuss about Paso? how is it relevent that she has enlarge boobs, what has that got to do with how she performed the dance.

soulmate61

11-12-2011

Originally Posted by samanda:
“I also don't understand what the comment has to do with a discuss about Paso? how is it relevent that she has enlarge boobs, what has that got to do with how she performed the dance.”

Spanish senoritas did not need bigger boobs?
Carmen's were legendary

Rikki65

11-12-2011

Alesha is untouchable, even by Chelsee.

I still watch all her dances, all oustanding including her Paso.

Sherlock_Holmes

11-12-2011

Originally Posted by Rikki65:
“Alesha is untouchable, even by Chelsee. I still watch all her dances, all oustanding including her Paso.”

Alesha´s paso is probably her worst dance (along with her samba). And this is also coming from an Alesha fan.

Rose-2010

11-12-2011

Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“If this was a gold medal exam then only dance achievement and artistic presentation by the celeb should be marked. If the full package is to be rated then Spanishness, choreography, music choice, costume, and partner would come into it.

Three dances out of four made me very happy, including Jill (38). Two out of four sent tingles down my spine, including the Zorro-esque presence of Holly (39) with an intermezzo without music.

The ultimate winner for me was Kara. Her paso was not pure Spanish and the execution not necessarily flawless. But Kara as dancer and woman touches my heart where no celeb ever could before or since.

40 for Kara even if she stands still. ”

Couldn't agree more

SCD-Observer

11-12-2011

Originally Posted by marinamau:
“Yes I do know that the Ballroom version is French, that is why I say that I am very critical of ballroom Pasos as to me regular paso dobles is what is danced in Spain ( abit like Tango and AT). I understand that I am hard to pleased when it comes to Pasos, but I certainly need to see the Spanish flavour in a Paso, specially when it is a Paso with flamenco as this was clearly.

The music was fine, it is one of the better songs for Pasos, I just didnt think that she danced it that great. The transitions in Paso with flamenco have to either be smooth or completely sharp, and hers were neither.

For all the stick that aliona ( and in a smaller measure Artem) gets, Pasha has been king of the gimmicks and props. It is hard to think of a dance without either of them.

I actually think that Chealsee is rather feisty (quistep?), her latin has shown a lot of feistiness. What she hasn't been able to portray is intensity and passion in the dance.

Holly's paso I loved in spite of Holly, I never get any real feeling rather than cold and can't see her as being a feel dance. If anyone is a feel dance I would have said it was Chealsee, but you may be right.

I still love Chealsee, but i just dont think she is a great as say Kara, nor that her paso was worthy of a 40, as it was obviously flawed. Jason's I thought it was more worthy of 40 though as on first watch I could not see anything wrong with it, even though that I don't really enjoy Jason as a dancer at all nor I thought it was the dance of the series.”

It's twice now. If you like Chelsee please at least get her name spelt correctly.

SCD-Observer

11-12-2011

Another gratuitously nasty post, though of course the poster's going to deny it.

marinamau

11-12-2011

Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“It's twice now. If you like Chelsee please at least get her name spelt correctly. ”

Sorry,

misspelling when you write in your third language is rather easy

, plus I get confused with the football team and forget what is different.
Never been much good at spelling in Spanish nor Catalan either to be honest

SCD-Observer

11-12-2011

Originally Posted by marinamau:
“Sorry, misspelling when you write in your third language is rather easy, plus I get confused with the football team and forget what is different.
Never been much good at spelling in Spanish nor Catalan either to be honest.”

It's alright. As long as you don't spell it Chelsea.

shadylady

12-12-2011

And Ms Plastic Surgery doesn't even come close to either of those ...[/quote]

I thought this forum was for discussing the dancing and not commenting on whether someone has had plastic surgery. It has absolutely no bearing on the quality of Chelsee's dancing.

shadylady

12-12-2011

[quote=Servalan;55237521]That's not an insult. It's a legitimate remark to make about someone who chose to have cosmetic surgery done. I'd gladly make it, or similar comments about others who have had had their features enhanced: Lulu, Patsy Kensit, etc.

It wasn't a remark, you were using it instead of her name, she is Miss Healey not Ms Plastic Surgery.

HotsforLilia

12-12-2011

Originally Posted by Servalan:
“And Ms Plastic Surgery doesn't even come close to either of those ...”

Wow, you certainly live up to your name dont you?

SCDchick

12-12-2011

Originally Posted by bingoes:
“Harry should have got a 40 for the VW it was stunning”

It was, it was lovely, like a dream

Veri

12-12-2011

Hmm. A thread saying the best since Jill ... Why am I not surprised it's about Chelsee.

soulmate61

12-12-2011

Originally Posted by sofakat:
“I'm sorry, but that's the silliest thing I have ever read. Ballet dancers not 'grounded'? I wonder how they manage to pull off a series turns en pointe without falling over then.

Perhaps this is more a question of semantics than actual knowledge?

I think you must mean in ballet you dance up and in flamenco and latin you dance down into the ground?

As an ex ballet dancer who mastered first flamenco then salsa (4 styles) and then AT - and managed to train to teach American social ballroom - I'm actually wondering how much about ballet you really know? I have never found the transition impossible. What exactly is your experience of this? I'd love to know. Please share. I am sure we can all earn something from this.”

Dancing in the dark with the exquisite Cyd Charisse, showing obvious ballet background, dancing in flat shoes and spinning up concrete steps in Central Park.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDHwJrbrp0Y

Cadiva

12-12-2011

Originally Posted by ysbryd y ddawns:
“IMHO - having given a 39 for the first dance, the judges left themselves with very little leeway, well a single mark to be precise.

And I don't mean any disrespect to Harry - he did dance very well.”

Yep, they couldn't go anywhere but give 10s to both Chelsee's Paso and Jason's AT.

Veri

12-12-2011

Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“... they deserve to come CLOSE to perfect 40.

First off, Chelsee. It was an amazing Paso. Definitely the BEST Paso I've seen a celeb done, bar none.

Two very risky decisions made by Pasha. Firstly, Paso's normally a man's dance, in that the attention is on the male dancer. But Pasha so cleverly choreographed it in such a way that my attention was always on Chelsee. Secondly, I believed Pasha deliberately choreographed her to hold on to that fan just to make you focus on her from the beginning of the dance to the end. The fan it like a pointer and subtly says "hey, look at me, I'm dancing here"...”

If your attention was always on Chelsee, I don't think it was because of the choreography. I saw the same choreography, and I didn't focus on her from beginning to end.

Quote:
“The decision for her to hold on to that fan actually showed just how confident Pasha had of Chelsee! Despite holding on to the fan, she still managed finish those Spanish lines and everything you want to see in the Paso (passion, intensity etc.) beautifully and then some.

What made me think she doesn't deserve a perfect 40 was one bit where I wasn't sure if they were supposed to turn in sync or not in the middle of the dance (Pasha appeared to do an extra twirl as if to compensate it or to distract the audience away from the apparent mis-timing of Chelsee?). And towards the end, there was a little hesitation before Chelsee did that leg split on Pasha's lap. Not a perfect forty, but maybe thirty-eight or thirty-nine.

As for Jason, I just thought he was a little OTT in the beginning. But when the dance proper began he was on fire. Again there was some hesitation (not enough ganchos for Jason), but I think Kristina deserved some tens for doing that AMAZING choreography with some breath-taking lifts. Not perfect forty stuff, but thirty-seven to thirty-eight, yes.

edit: Strictly history has it that so far any one scoring perfect 40 before the finals never wins in the end. This makes me sad for Chelsee, as I hope she'll win. Harry is good, and I think seeing his buddy Doughie winning the Jungle show, I am more and more certain Mcfly fans will vote for Harry multiple times in the finals, and he'll win this.

Whatever the case, after the semi-finals, I really hope to see Chelsee, Harry and Jason in the final.”

I have no interest in watching any more dances from Chelsee, Harry or Jason. I've found this year's line-up very disappointing, and I don't think any of Chelsee or Jason's 10s was deserved.

bobajot

12-12-2011

Originally Posted by Hello.:
“I actually decided I was glad Harry didn't get the perfect score, because he didn't need it to top the leaderboard and he can aim to get it next week. A perfect 40 in the final could win it for him!

But again it must be said that McFly's fans can't win him the show alone. Dougie rarely topped the vote on I'm A Celeb and he benefitted from the 2 person final. He seemed to gain the majority of Fatima's voters when she left in 3rd place. Before she left he was second to Mark, and a day earlier he was in the bottom 2.”

The judges have no votes in the final it's all down to the public.

jobiepeg

12-12-2011

Originally Posted by Damahepa:
“Didn't help Pam- although Kara was always going to win last year she was just brilliant no matter what Pam or Matt did...

I think Chelsee should win - her dances are just better, sharper, more aesthetically pleasing than Harry's (although Harry is himself more aesthetically pleasing than most other human beings alive)

I hope McFly voters don't just swing it for Harry because I'd like the best dancer to win- and although Harry's good- Jason and Chelsee have impressed me more as the series has gone on- no slant on Harry because tonight I thought he was brilliant, but I hope the best dancer gets it, not the most popular (I feared the same last year with Matt and Kara... I can only hope lightning strikes twice and Harry comes a galant second) No doubt he's a worthy finalist and more... but I still have reservations, and in a semi final that seems a bit too late for total redemption.

Also- to the OP. I watched both dances back, I thought Chelsee was out of time when I saw live, but second time It's clear she wasn't- but there was a microscopic hesitation before her final pose- she raised her arms a moment too early as Pasha did an extra turn- but I couldn't really mark her down for that!
As for Jason- maybe it's just a matter of taste for what is "too much" for me, it felt ok ”

I don't think Chelsea is the best dancer though.....she's very good, her steps are good, choreagraphy good - but for me there is always something missing. I don't know what it is...

Harry on the otherhand is outstanding in my opinion. Since Aliona has had an epiphany and drastically improved the choreagraphy - I think their dances have been fabulous. Loved the Charleston - no silly gimmicks - just jam packed full of content - and their VW gave me goosebumps!

millie3

12-12-2011

Well I loved chelsees Paso and Jason's AT. I also loved Harry's Charleston ( his VW I thought boring). Whether they deserved 40 or not is always going to be subjective but I do think the leader board was in the right order. In the end that's all that matters.

Monaogg

12-12-2011

Originally Posted by pasodabble:
“BIB - I've watched it 4 times and each time I come to a different conclusion. I'd like to think that they were not meant to turn in sync; the judges probably assumed it was part of the choreography. Or Pasha may have been the one who went wrong (as Matthew Cutler did with Alesha)

The 2nd hesitation was clear but she had her back to the judges so they must have missed it.

However as I said on another thread, a dance can either be a 9 or a 10 (or lower) as all 4 judges mark independently. Thus if it wasn't a 40, the next mark is 36 (nines) and I think it was worth more than nines.

In past series the judges have used perfect scores to prop up relatively unpopular contestants. I think Harry will win, but not becsuse of Chelsee and Jason's 40.”

I have copied this quote from someone who has done competitive Paso Doble.

Quote:
“Knew people were gonna comment about Chelsee's turn on the paso. A second turn is a common feature in the paso, it is where you mimic the matador's moves...Ie Conducting a spin after him or you shape his hand mimics after his. Also the female is half the time supposed to be the opposite to the male.
I have danced the paso and technically all the technique and steps for a perfect dance was in Chelsee's and Pasha's Paso. There were traveling spins, shashas, promenade positions, surflex, spot turns, sway, arm styling and shaping flamencos, staccato movements, promenade flicks. Her walks were perfect, her feet closed correctly on the positional changes. People need to research the dances first before they can comment on incorrect technique and marks. Chelsee had a complex dance with complex steps hence the 40.”

fog

12-12-2011

thanks for the quote re the paso info.
i thought chelsee was fantastic but have to admit i was curious when it looked like she was a step behind pasha. i guessed it must be something to do with the elements of paso that i was unfamiliar with as no judge mentioned it...plus the perfect score.

SCD-Observer

12-12-2011

I can't believe the mod combine my thread with Jacko Homo which was not exactly talking about the same thing (I didn't even mention Jill Halfpenny!) and now my name appeared as the poster starter of Jacko Homo's thread.

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