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Old 13-12-2011, 17:25
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Season Six or Series Six?
Season as its an american show.
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Old 14-12-2011, 13:01
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Firstly, the story "Galaxy 4" (which until now was missing in its entirety) later gave its name to a leading supplier of DW merchandise, found here: http://www.galaxy4.co.uk/

Secondly, the discovery of Episode 2 of "The Underwater Menace" means that today's fans can enjoy at least one more episode of the mostly-wiped Troughton era - although the story itself (previously represented only by Episode 3, included on the DVD "Lost In Time") was voted in a 1998 poll by readers of "Doctor Who Magazine" as the 4th least popular story of all time...only one spot below "Time Lash" (guess the anagram), which is a very different type of story!

IMHO the next episode that ought to be recovered (if only one at a time is possible) ought to be Episode 1 of "The Power Of The Daleks" - so today's fans can see how quickly The Doctor got over his regeneration trauma, etc.

Or better still...can Cosgrove Hall re-animate the whole story!

(Incidentally, the 2nd least popular story of all time, in the aforementioned 1998 poll, was "The Space Pirates" - only Episode 2 survives, and many fans think this is enough. And the least popular story ever? "The Twin Dilemma".)
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Old 14-12-2011, 13:11
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Firstly, the story "Galaxy 4" (which until now was missing in its entirety) later gave its name to a leading supplier of DW merchandise, found here: http://www.galaxy4.co.uk/

Secondly, the discovery of Episode 2 of "The Underwater Menace" means that today's fans can enjoy at least one more episode of the mostly-wiped Troughton era - although the story itself (previously represented only by Episode 3, included on the DVD "Lost In Time") was voted in a 1998 poll by readers of "Doctor Who Magazine" as the 4th least popular story of all time...only one spot below "Time Lash" (guess the anagram), which is a very different type of story!

IMHO the next episode that ought to be recovered (if only one at a time is possible) ought to be Episode 1 of "The Power Of The Daleks" - so today's fans can see how quickly The Doctor got over his regeneration trauma, etc.

Or better still...can Cosgrove Hall re-animate the whole story!

(Incidentally, the 2nd least popular story of all time, in the aforementioned 1998 poll, was "The Space Pirates" - only Episode 2 survives, and many fans think this is enough. And the least popular story ever? "The Twin Dilemma".)
Thats just Lame!

Power of the Daleks would be an ace find, oh yes!
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Old 14-12-2011, 13:33
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Do any fans think "The Underwater Menace" is under-appreciated, especially in the 1998 poll for "DWM"?
After all, what remains is more eventful and watchable than what is left of "The Space Pirates", surely?

"The Power Of The Daleks" should have been preserved, no matter what, for being the debut story for Troughton!
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Old 14-12-2011, 13:57
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Do any fans think "The Underwater Menace" is under-appreciated, especially in the 1998 poll for "DWM"?
After all, what remains is more eventful and watchable than what is left of "The Space Pirates", surely?

"The Power Of The Daleks" should have been preserved, no matter what, for being the debut story for Troughton!
Did I not guess the anagram correctly
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Old 14-12-2011, 13:58
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I agree, it would be even better to locate Power of the Daleks ep 1 than Tenth Planet ep 4. There's a lot more stuff relating to the regeneration in POTD and we have the 'money shot' from Tenth Planet already.

Loose Cannon's recon of POTD is excellent but ep 1 is a bit hard to follow at times.
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Old 14-12-2011, 13:59
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"The Power Of The Daleks" should have been preserved, no matter what, for being the debut story for Troughton!
agreed, when you consider certain stories or other things in the archives were kept because there was a certain significance attached to them it is a mystery as to why Troughton's debut story was not considered worthy of being kept.
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Old 14-12-2011, 14:24
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Mrs Chuff and I gave The Underwater Menace soundtrack CD a whirl just a couple of weeks ago, and thought it was deeply poor. I watched the one remaining episode a few years ago but have no memory of it. Seeing two episodes might give a different perspective on things, maybe???

I refuse to be disappointed that this episode has appeared, and am very keen to clap eyes on it!
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Old 14-12-2011, 14:57
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Did I not guess the anagram correctly
I assumed that, like me, you used the word 'anagram' in relation to "Time Lash", otherwise regarded as 'Lame ----'.

Seriously, fans, is "The Underwater Menace" good or bad?
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Old 14-12-2011, 15:25
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I assumed that, like me, you used the word 'anagram' in relation to "Time Lash", otherwise regarded as 'Lame ----'.

Seriously, fans, is "The Underwater Menace" good or bad?
The Underwater Menace is generally regarded as a poor
DW story (see the negative reviews in "The Television
Companion" and "About Time") although there is a section
of fans who enjoy TUM for its "MST3K" - like qualities.
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Old 14-12-2011, 15:57
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Imagine if all 6 episodes of "The Space Pirates" had survived?
If this were the case, would it not be more painful to watch?
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Old 14-12-2011, 16:28
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Jeez, collectors secretly stashing those 106 missing epsiodes will hardly be encouraged to restore them to public view going by the lukewarm response to these 2 finds.
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Old 14-12-2011, 17:39
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Seriously, fans, is "The Underwater Menace" good or bad?
You won't find brilliance there but there's some fun to be had if you don't expect too much. Troughton is always worth watching.
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Old 14-12-2011, 19:11
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Jeez, collectors secretly stashing those 106 missing epsiodes will hardly be encouraged to restore them to public view going by the lukewarm response to these 2 finds.
well I'm just glad we've even got anything returned and I'll feel the same way if anything else turns up regardless of what it might be.
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Old 14-12-2011, 19:33
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From what I can remember of watching The Underwater Menace as a child, I can recall The Tardis landing on the sea, lots of foam with tentacles swirling around and the goodbye of Victoria at the end of the last episode. For it's time I seem to remember being pretty frightened.
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Old 14-12-2011, 19:35
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You won't find brilliance there but there's some fun to be had if you don't expect too much. Troughton is always worth watching.
I agree 100%.
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Old 14-12-2011, 19:48
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From what I can remember of watching The Underwater Menace as a child, I can recall The Tardis landing on the sea, lots of foam with tentacles swirling around and the goodbye of Victoria at the end of the last episode. For it's time I seem to remember being pretty frightened.
Enough about Fury from the Deep, do you remember The Underwater Menace?
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Old 15-12-2011, 09:32
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Jeez, collectors secretly stashing those 106 missing epsiodes will hardly be encouraged to restore them to public view going by the lukewarm response to these 2 finds.
There's actually two different sort of excitement over this recovery - there's the utterly fantastic news of not one but two missing episodes turning up without warning some eight years after the last one, and the anticipation of seeing the episodes themselves.

The first news certainly wasn't a lukewarm response - I can only hope that they were filming the response of the BFI audience, particularly when Mark Gatiss says, 'don't worry, it exists in full - but we've got another one!' after showing ten minutes of 'Air Lock'.

As for the episodes themselves, well, they're no one's favourite but even the response has been pretty positive. It wasn't that long ago that the only things that existed of Galaxy 4 was a handful of publicity photographs and a 30 second clip from episode one (it was the last sound track to be recovered) and even before Saturday the Rills were among Doctor Who's most obscure monsters* with only a single poor quality photograph in existence; and 'The Underwater Menace' is never boring, and actually being able to see Patrick Troughton in action automatically raises the reputation of a story.

I'm surprised by how keen I am to see these episodes even though I rather doubt they'll actually change my opinions of the stories very much.

Also, I think the stories we were told in the eighties and nineties of the jealous film collector guarding his horde of missing material is a vicious and damaging myth; this guy just needed his memory jogged by a chance encounter, and the story about how he handed over another missing episode with the words 'look what I've got for you!', apparently just so he could see the look on Ralph Montague's face, is my favourite part of the story.

*I think that only leaves the Screamers of Desperus with no idea of what they looked like - they may even have just been a sound effect as far as anyone knows...
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Old 15-12-2011, 12:36
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Imagine if all 6 episodes of "The Space Pirates" had survived?
If this were the case, would it not be more painful to watch?
LOL
Just going by the one episode that still exists, Space Pirates is probably my least favourite story.
But if any episodes of the story turned up then I'd still be excited at the prospect of seeing them knowing that it's a big deal to get any recovered Dr Who episodes today.

However, I think just one viewing would be sufficient.
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Old 15-12-2011, 17:48
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There's actually two different sort of excitement over this recovery - there's the utterly fantastic news of not one but two missing episodes turning up without warning some eight years after the last one, and the anticipation of seeing the episodes themselves.

The first news certainly wasn't a lukewarm response - I can only hope that they were filming the response of the BFI audience, particularly when Mark Gatiss says, 'don't worry, it exists in full - but we've got another one!' after showing ten minutes of 'Air Lock'.

As for the episodes themselves, well, they're no one's favourite but even the response has been pretty positive. It wasn't that long ago that the only things that existed of Galaxy 4 was a handful of publicity photographs and a 30 second clip from episode one (it was the last sound track to be recovered) and even before Saturday the Rills were among Doctor Who's most obscure monsters* with only a single poor quality photograph in existence; and 'The Underwater Menace' is never boring, and actually being able to see Patrick Troughton in action automatically raises the reputation of a story.

I'm surprised by how keen I am to see these episodes even though I rather doubt they'll actually change my opinions of the stories very much.

Also, I think the stories we were told in the eighties and nineties of the jealous film collector guarding his horde of missing material is a vicious and damaging myth; this guy just needed his memory jogged by a chance encounter, and the story about how he handed over another missing episode with the words 'look what I've got for you!', apparently just so he could see the look on Ralph Montague's face, is my favourite part of the story.

*I think that only leaves the Screamers of Desperus with no idea of what they looked like - they may even have just been a sound effect as far as anyone knows...
Thanks fo this very fulsome response, Demolished Man. Some really interesting stuff here! It's only relatively recently that I first saw a picture of a Rill, and I am sure it's only in the last year or two that I first saw a photo of Cassandra from The Myth Makers. It's amazing that so much of the show's early years are still surrounded in so much mystery. It's part of the thrill of being a fan of the old stuff, i think. The Screamers of Desperus! I had totally forgotten about them.

I am quite excited about Galaxy Four. The soundtrack is rather good. Underwater Menace: there's boudn to be loads of Troughtonian fun even if the story isn't up to much. Soundtrack CDs can only give half the real effect, and I am hopeful that the reappeared episode might change some of the attitude towards the story.

Again, thanks for your interesting thoughts, DM.

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Old 15-12-2011, 18:40
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I am quite excited about Galaxy Four. The soundtrack is rather good.
That reminds me the copy of the soundtrack used in Loose Cannon's recon of G4 is quite poor quality, so it will be nice to be able to hear properly what that Rill is saying as well as see it.
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Old 16-12-2011, 11:22
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Enough about Fury from the Deep, do you remember The Underwater Menace?
Duuuugh that's my age showing, memory loss is a terrible thing.
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Old 16-12-2011, 14:45
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I hope Fury from the Deep is found someday. Many companions screamed a lot, but only one got to save the world that way!
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Old 16-12-2011, 16:31
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That reminds me the copy of the soundtrack used in Loose Cannon's recon of G4 is quite poor quality, so it will be nice to be able to hear properly what that Rill is saying as well as see it.
I got a couple of the recons, last year, but Mrs Chuff was snoring within ten minutes of the start of The Smugglers, so I haven't bothered with them since.
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Old 16-12-2011, 18:43
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I got a couple of the recons, last year, but Mrs Chuff was snoring within ten minutes of the start of The Smugglers, so I haven't bothered with them since.
That could be partially attributable to The Smugglers.
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