thank you

and to whom ever said women didn't like Holly I know quite a few how really do

I don't believe that is the case at all.
He totally changed the style of his Choreo to suit Holly.
He said himself in an interview that Kara and Holly were completely different to choreograph for, Kara was more fast and energetic whereas Holly took longer to do things and was all about the 'long lines'. And he choreographed to suit this. Even Ian Waite commented on this in one of his Wednesday review on ITT. He was also aware that Holly was better out of hold and kept her out of hold as much as possible. Routines like their foxy foxtrot played up to her sexiness and showed of her long legs with the kick section etc He choreographed the Black Swan, recognising her long lines are suited to the more balletic style of dance.
He avoided a traditional Charleston,because he knew like all of us that she couldn't pull that off and he did the same with the jive, coming up with a great routine to suit her.

In fact overall I think he should be commended for doing a brilliant job in coming up with routines that suited his partners strengths and weaknesses while at the same time keeping them innovative.


I don't see it either and as you say the rumba was one of dances that was going to suit her anyway. I also agree with you that Artem did really well to get her this far.

I thought it was a stunning, original dance to very catchy music.

Holly just wasn't very good in the execution.
On ITT tonight Karen Hardy's bit had a slow-mo clip, and you can see Holly is way behind Artem and not moving the kicks nearly as far as him, making her look even more out of synch.

Interesting point about weight, as IIRC the costume people had issues with Pamela last year as she lost so much weight.
Holly looked big in the her first few dances, and that shorts costume made her look very big and hippy, and probably exaggerated her kicks weakness.
A skirt or dress may have been better.

This same costuming hurt Emma Bunton's chance very badly. BBC costumiers never learn.

Holly isn't Rachel or Jill or Kara or Alesha or Ali. However, you don't have to be when the opposition isn't either ,and the focus has changed from dancing to entertainment. .I am still not sure how much better Chelsee is than Louisa as either a dancer or a character - if you make them do one of Louisa's routines with series 4 content. Harry seems to me to be doing well on rhythm, coordination, fitness and musical ability on top of blandness and no acting experience. Ricky Whittle was far stronger and still got beaten.. Jason is doing well on intense training and great (or astoundingly bad) acting - but better actors and better dancers have done less well. Part of the reason why they have been successful is fanbases - but a lot is to do with having a show story or character, and part is to do with being given vote winning routines that show off what they can do - and avoid or hide what they can't. I think you now have to tick those boxes to do well - more so since the focus has moved to being entertaining. rather than doing longer more technical dances.

I don't think Artem's routines were as focused on getting votes, pacing his celeb, avoiding risks and avoidable difficulty or finding his actress a role to act or establishing a winning character. That seems partly to be his nature and partly to do with Holly. From what she says she was in the show for a challenge and to learn to dance and she didn't have any reason to or want to go for anything OTT, non Holly like and vote winning or easier. She had no reason or wish to show she could do a traditional slapstick Charleston and so went for something new and different and unfamiliar. In that sense, they seem to have been trying to achieve the same thing.

That doesn't mean at all that Holly would be as tired doing something else, that she couldn't handle Alex's routines better or that if you made her she couldn't act and dance most of their routines as well, if not better, than Chelsee or Jason. I did think it was Artem, but the more you listen to Holly she wanted to go in the same direction.Whether Brendan or Pasha or Ian Waite or a male equivalent of Aliona or Ola would have taken her somewhere else, and into the final, is another question - and she still might not beat Chelsee or Harry there..

I think Brendan is better than Artem at choreographing for celebs on the show and that's because I have seen him paired with celebs with a wide range of abilities including some real duffers. Friends who have seen Brendan's show all rage about how good it was, even those who are not big Brendan fans, but enjoy dancing (they have booked again for next year's show too). So I know he is capable of producing fantastic choreography outside SCD.

Artem on the other hand is more innovative with his choreography for his celebs, but he is not always successful at creating a routine that pleases all the judges (including Len on the technical aspects of each dance) and the public. Last year he was the new boy who is easy on the eye and had a partner with real ability and who he found love with. That ticked a lot of boxes and despite Len not always being happy with his choreography, Artem won, .

This year Holly who was no duffer and 4th place is a very acceptable finish, but who knows if she would have got further with Brendan? Personally I don't think she would have won, but she might have made the final three. I think she would have gelled better with Brendan and he would have got good performances from her without her having to work as hard as she did with Artem. As a result I think she would have enjoyed the whole process a little bit more and that would show.

I hope Artem and Brendan come back next year. .

Well I loved it!
I thought it was very quirky and one that I shall go on youtube to watch again.
BUT - I agree that the outfit was pretty naff and did not suit her figure shape at all. And although Holly did a pretty decent job, I agree with Craig (or was it Len?) in that it wasn't quite sharp enough, would love to have seen Artem & Kara perform this one.

I think you've just had a chance to see more of Brendan's routines for different celebs as obviously he has done all the series, this is Artem's second. Brendan's also had a bit of a redemption on here, he really wasn't popular for a while in the middle years.

I don't think Brendan choreographed very well for Michelle Williams who seemed to have the same core/posture problems as Holly but was maybe messier and less lazy looking than Holly (not that I'm saying Holly is lazy, just that her dancing had a lazy look to it) and so I honestly don't think he would have done as well or got Holly as far but it's all conjecture, none of us will ever know.

I've loved Hooly - that devilish smile is very seductive - but no Artem's music did not cost her a place in the final. imo she lagged behind the top 3 by quite a distance.

In the first series I LOVED Brendan when he danced with Natasha and then he became the bad boy of SCD, but it really did seem like he mellowed when he met his future wife because he's such a sweetie these days! He definitely struggled with Michelle and her lack of musicality was weird to watch (like a baby giraffe!), but they did get on well. I guess the bottom line is when a pro gets a celeb that has no rhythm they will struggle!

Oi! Are you trying to turn me into a jellus hatah?

I can't afford to let you get complacent.

xxx

I thought the music wasnt down to them alone, they also prob have help with choreography, not help but guidelines to stick to for tv purposes, same for music

Spot on. And it's great that we have both Brendan and Artem. Have seen Brendan's show for two years running now and it is terrific. And not just the dancing - he has a great band, he comperes the show himself and does it slickly but with real audience empathy. He is terrific.

the Charleston outfit was appalling for Holly's shape. Anythng tucked in looked awful on her. She has a great body but not chopped up in to awful shorts. Gave her a huge bum and no waist. Felt so sorry that she had to take her final bows in such a naf outfit. Mean.

It was an absolutely terrible outfit that did nothing for a beautiful lady with a wonderful figure

Agreed. Down with BBC Wardrobe saboteuse.

nothing to do with Artem's musical choices. Holly just didn't connect with the voters. SImple.

Personally I think Artem choreographed to bring out the best in Holly and chose music that engaged her too - I'm sure he'd have tried everything he could to show her to best advantage.

I just think Holly couldn't project enough - I'm sure she thought she was doing so. She was heavy footed sometimes but no worse than Alex or Jase have been been in other areas, even Chelsee (who I just love) often has a few wobbly moments. What Holly would have benefited from is simply lifting her gaze and selling the dance to the audience, I really do think it's as simple as that. If she'd have done this all of her dances would have come across 100% better, the judges would have been more forgiving, the public more entertained and I'd guess she'd still be in the competition.

I don't think there is an exceptional dancer this year. Harry and Chelsee are wonderful and both have and will produce excellent routines (and I'm sure Kristina with choreo and dance brilliantly too) but I think Holly wasn't that far behind in talent, musicality and grace - she just couldn't sell it too us enough... even in her best dances imo.

Holly tired - I think she looks pregnant. Not so much in the charleston outfit, but the shorts did have quite a large tight band, maybe to hold in her tummy. If you look at her in other dances and dresses though you'll see what I mean.

If she's not pregnant she must be the only contestant who's not lost weight during the series.

Holly was robbed of a place in the final. She has been a far better dancer then Chelsea. She would not have won but deserved four 10's for i.m.o the best dance of the of the series the AT. Their AT was far better then Jason's which consisted mostly of him walking, standing and lifting with a few steps thrown in. What was that Morris dance steps he was doing while Kristina was sitting on her bottom. It deserved no more then four 8's and thats being generous.

Anyway the female vote will determine Harry will win and he just about deserves it on his consistant performances over the weeks.

The forum is obsessed with the passing of Holly, even those not supporting her. She will be Banquo's ghost at the banquet, the shining star not in the sky. I shall wear a black armband and boycott the Final.

Completely agree about the charleston music - apparently Artem changed the music at the last minutue - never heard what the original music he had chosen was - I suspect the charleston they did perform was cobbled together at the last minute because Holly was unable to hack the difficult original choreography that Artem had prepared for her. Personally I thought Artem looked releiived that they were voted off the show. I loved Holly's laid back attitude but can imagine that it drove Artem to distraction. Holly would have been far better being paired with Brendan - Artem was really spoilt having the wonderful Kara as a partner last year and it was always on the cards that no celbrity partner was going to come up to his high standards as she had done last year!