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Old 15-12-2011, 10:07
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Does anyone else feel a bit cheated that Harry's got the lion's share of favourable dances?
Nope. Because he hasn't.

Both Chelsee and Jason have a Latin/Ballroom split and Harry's gone all ballroom! In my mind that's humongously unfair!
I agree.

Latin dances are far more crowd-pleasing, Harry's suffering from blatant discrimination by not beiing allowed to do any.

Free The McFly One!! Go Harry! Ra! Ra! Ra!
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Old 15-12-2011, 10:17
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If the format is the same as last year , the couples will dance the judges‘ favourite first, then the showdance and the final 2 will then do the unlearned dance followed by their favourite dance

I hope this is the case.....as almost the only person on here who doesnt want Jason to fall flat on his face it could be good for them....the judges choice is their ballroom Tango from Brodaway week which is more of a crowd pleaser than a mediocre Salsa would be.
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Old 15-12-2011, 10:52
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Harry and Aliona have screwed themselves over with their picks. Aliona should've gone with the jive based on how Harry performed in the swingathon and drew up a new routine for it...I guess she decided three completely new dances would've been too much to learn in one week but her lax choreography early on has cost them dear now.

Saying that, I think Chelsee and Pasha have this sewn up so whatever Harry and Aliona do it won't matter...same with Jason and Kristina...so we might as well just enjoy the dancing.
BIB: How so? I would've thought it's the complete opposite way around! Harry's not doing a traditional Latin, which has been his weakest, and is instead doing a dance which has aerial impact - the AT. Plus 2 ballroom where he's been supreme. AND, his showdance is jive/swing based, so that will play to his strengths too, as you pointed out. The rules of this year are judges' choice (no new choreography), favourite (therefore by implication no new choreography either) and the 2 new dances. I don't think any more than 2 new dances was ever intended. But that's irrelevant, as the dances do play to Harry's strengths, and of course you talk about Aliona's lax choreography when they're only doing one dance that doesn't come from the last month, same with everyone else, so I don't get that argument either . Screwed over? I think not.

Then again, I disagree entirely that Chelsee's got this sewn up - I think it's not good at all that she has the Rumba, despite how good it looks in training, as in the past that dance has got lost on the Blackpool floor, plus her showdance doesn't look good.... and if anyone's screwed themselves up with their picks, it's Jason and Kristina.

I'd almost argue Harry's got this sewn up, but I don't want to be quite so bold.


Ah, so if they're knocked out in the first half, Jason won't dance his Salsa and Quickstep, Chelsee won't dance her Rumba and Quickstep and Harry won't dance his AS and Quickstep? I think that's right.
No, that's not quite right. Harry's Quickstep is the judge's choice, so he'll be dancing it in the same round as Jason dances Tango and Chelsee dances Jive. Whereas Chelsee and Jason will both dance QS in the same round, when Harry dances Argentine Tango.
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Old 15-12-2011, 11:29
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sorry but

Harry has an unfair advantage because his professional was clever played within the rules and picked his favourite and strongest dance.

All the professionals had equal opportunity to do just that, if you think Aliona has done a better job of it well hey ho thems the breaks

Lets not forget Aliona was more constrained in her choices. She HAD to do a ballroom for her undanced dance as Harry wouldn't have been allowed to do Paso I don't think having already been trained in it by Ola for CIN.

Their showdance looks like it is going to be jive/lindy based which is a great choice for Harry and plays to his strengths.

Aliona has imo got it spot on. But we will only find out for sure on Saturday.
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Old 15-12-2011, 11:31
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IMO its a pity that the CCC was Harry's first dance as it seems on looking back to be the latin dance which he looks most at home with. When he danced it his dance background was learning Paso for a week with Ola last year and two weeks with Aliona, so watching this makes me think he could do a very good CCC now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHIjFqhrcgo
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Old 15-12-2011, 12:31
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I currently don't mind who wins, as I like them all. I will vote on the night for whoever's performaces move me the most overall (in whatever ways).

Based on the reprised dances they are doing, I think to overlook Jason and Kristina as potential winners just in that section of the contest would be a mistake, as they've got two real crowdpleasers in their tango and quickstep. Can they do as good a job in the showdance and salsa, though? The showdance and/or new dance, I think, might be what potentially hands the glitterball to one of the other two.
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Old 15-12-2011, 13:20
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Not sure it plays to advantages of anyone. I wish the judges had picked a not so good dance for each of them to see how they had improved it. Dancing a good dance again doesnt seem so hard.

For me the judges picks would have been:

Harry (foxtrot or cha cha)
Jason (paso)
Chelsee (AT)... but there we go..

I think it will be a good final and Im not sure who will win. Its still a level playing field for me (although Chelsee and Harry have a slight advantage over Jason).
I agree! This would have been a good idea, and would have avoided 3 quicksteps.

I think a lot of choices are good for 2/3 of the dances.

Harry has AT (lifts), AS (lifts) and showdance (lifts). There is a risk that the showdance will lose impact. While they had no choice on the AS, I would have liked to have seen cha-cha instead of the AT because he would have had a 'true' Latin, it's upbeat and good for a crowd, and also because after Saturday it seems the best way to get high marks in AT is to emulate Jack the Ripper - I don't want to see that again. High scoring dances first time round when repeated in the final only really need to not go wrong for them to get the same score, if not improve.

Chelsee had a choice of rumba/VW for the final. There are some similarities - can be very dull and bland if not done well, though I think that's unlikely at this stage. Jive & QS - very fast, very upbeat as the showdance is. While these were amongst my favourite dances of the series, rumba, jive/QS & tango/AT would have shown her versatility more - and she has been the most versatile I think this series. The AT was criticised for her characterisation at the beginning, the tango was marred by the wardrobe mishap.

Jason has perhaps the hardest sell. The salsa is a hard draw for him in the final as he is too controlled for the feeling of looseness needed. His QS could suffer in comparison to either of the other two, his tango was from week 2 so could highlight how little he has actually improved. Also, while some loved it, some loathed it for the disco section. His showdance looks well suited to him, but Kristina in a suit is bringing back puppetdance for me - I hope I'm wrong! Given how the judges lapped up his AT which had many paso elements, a repeat of the paso could have been good and again given him more versatility.
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Old 15-12-2011, 14:38
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Up on the Strictly web site.....

•Chelsee and Pasha
Judges' choice: Jive to 'I'm a Believer' by Smash Mouth
Show dance to 'One Night Only' by Beyonce
New dance: Rumba to 'Because Of You' by Kelly Clarkson
Favourite dance: Quickstep to 'Sing Sing Sing' by Benny Goodman
•Harry and Aliona
Judges' choice: Quickstep to 'Don't Get Me Wrong' by The Pretenders
Show dance to 'Great Balls of Fire' by Jerry Lee Lewis
New dance: American Smooth to 'Can't Help Falling In Love' by Michael Buble
Favourite dance: Argentine Tango to 'Asi Se Baila El Tango' by Bailongo
•Jason and Kristina
Judges' choice: Tango to 'I Will Survive' by Gloria Gaynor
Show dance to 'Dancin' Fool' by Gary Wilmot
New dance: Salsa to 'Hard to Handle' by Tom Jones
Favourite dance: Quickstep to 'Bewitched' by Steve Lawrence
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Old 15-12-2011, 14:52
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Up on the Strictly web site.....

•Chelsee and Pasha
Judges' choice: Jive to 'I'm a Believer' by Smash Mouth
Show dance to 'One Night Only' by Beyonce
New dance: Rumba to 'Because Of You' by Kelly Clarkson
Favourite dance: Quickstep to 'Sing Sing Sing' by Benny Goodman
•Harry and Aliona
Judges' choice: Quickstep to 'Don't Get Me Wrong' by The Pretenders
Show dance to 'Great Balls of Fire' by Jerry Lee Lewis
New dance: American Smooth to 'Can't Help Falling In Love' by Michael Buble
Favourite dance: Argentine Tango to 'Asi Se Baila El Tango' by Bailongo
•Jason and Kristina
Judges' choice: Tango to 'I Will Survive' by Gloria Gaynor
Show dance to 'Dancin' Fool' by Gary Wilmot
New dance: Salsa to 'Hard to Handle' by Tom Jones
Favourite dance: Quickstep to 'Bewitched' by Steve Lawrence
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Old 15-12-2011, 15:19
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It seems a waste of time doing a new dance in the final on top of learning a show dance.

Harry's programme does seem a bit unbalanced - it should work to his advantage with the judges but may reinforce his bland image unless he pulls the stops out with his show dance.

Glad to see Chelsee is doing her Jive & QS both of which suited her.

I am really looking forward to Jason reprising his Tango that will be a real show stopper and play to the audience. In truth I doubt he needs to worry about the salsa but I would like to see their QS again.
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Old 15-12-2011, 15:30
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•Chelsee and Pasha
Show dance to 'One Night Only' by Beyonce
New dance: Rumba to 'Because Of You' by Kelly Clarkson
Ooh good music choices! The Rumba's not too slow, and the showdance starts off slow and slightly melancholy before building into a huge disco tune. A 60s-inspired outfit to tie in with the movie would look quite good on Chelsee I think.

•Harry and Aliona
Show dance to 'Great Balls of Fire' by Jerry Lee Lewis
New dance: American Smooth to 'Can't Help Falling In Love' by Michael Buble
Perfect song for an AS, very lively song for a showdance - definitely fits with the idea of dangerous lifts!

•Jason and Kristina
Show dance to 'Dancin' Fool' by Gary Wilmot
New dance: Salsa to 'Hard to Handle' by Tom Jones
Don't know the song, but the thought of salsa to Tom Jones makes me go And the showdance song is a classic Quickstep song, so I hope Kristina's put together a really good ballroom showdance.
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Old 15-12-2011, 15:32
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I've been wondering all week if Harry's showdance could be to that song. I saw the DWTS pro dance to Great Balls of Fire on youtube which is a brilliant jive. This could really work.
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Old 15-12-2011, 15:33
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His showdance looks well suited to him, but Kristina in a suit is bringing back puppetdance for me - I hope I'm wrong!
I sincerely hope she is not going down that route - a large part of Kristina's appeal is her undisputed glamour.
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Old 15-12-2011, 16:21
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got the feeling Aliona is going to borrow Juliane & Derek Hough Choreography
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyjheiEtlrQ
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Old 15-12-2011, 17:07
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got the feeling Aliona is going to borrow Juliane & Derek Hough Choreography

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyjheiEtlrQ
I think Aliona's will have more Jive content.
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Old 15-12-2011, 17:38
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Ah, so if they're knocked out in the first half, Jason won't dance his Salsa and Quickstep, Chelsee won't dance her Rumba and Quickstep and Harry won't dance his AS and Quickstep? I think that's right.
No , Harry's quickstep is the judges favourite, they will dance to that first.

The order, if it is the same as last year is :

MAIN SHOW

Harry: Quickstep , Showdance
Chelsee: Jive, Showdance
Jason: Tango, showdance


RESULTS SHOW

Harry: American Smooth, Argentine Tango
Chelsee: Rumba, Quickstep

( PS: for the deluded souls who think Jason will be in the final 2 , I hope u haven't staked your money on that )
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Old 16-12-2011, 00:19
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has any couple scored a 40 for their show dance in the 8 previous series?
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Old 16-12-2011, 00:24
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has any couple scored a 40 for their show dance in the 8 previous series?
Not that I know and they were never scored by judges till recent series. In the good old days the showdances were scored by public vote alone and was always the final 2 couples last dance together the culmination of everything they had learned over the months, the grande finale if you will.
Sadly those days have passed
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Old 16-12-2011, 00:48
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The closest any showdance has got to a perfect score was Ricky Nipple's : 49/50. Although they've only been scored in Series 7/8, and now 9. And allegedly in Series 1 as well, but that's Series 1, so no-one remembers.
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Old 16-12-2011, 01:50
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BIB: How so? I would've thought it's the complete opposite way around! Harry's not doing a traditional Latin, which has been his weakest, and is instead doing a dance which has aerial impact - the AT. Plus 2 ballroom where he's been supreme. AND, his showdance is jive/swing based, so that will play to his strengths too, as you pointed out. The rules of this year are judges' choice (no new choreography), favourite (therefore by implication no new choreography either) and the 2 new dances. I don't think any more than 2 new dances was ever intended. But that's irrelevant, as the dances do play to Harry's strengths, and of course you talk about Aliona's lax choreography when they're only doing one dance that doesn't come from the last month, same with everyone else, so I don't get that argument either . Screwed over? I think not.

Then again, I disagree entirely that Chelsee's got this sewn up - I think it's not good at all that she has the Rumba, despite how good it looks in training, as in the past that dance has got lost on the Blackpool floor, plus her showdance doesn't look good.... and if anyone's screwed themselves up with their picks, it's Jason and Kristina.

I'd almost argue Harry's got this sewn up, but I don't want to be quite so bold.
This is Britain - a sense of fairplay will come into it. Even the casual viewers will see the difference between three dances (QS, AT, AS) which are close and in hold compared to Chelsee's Jive where she'll be flying about all over the place or Jason's camp Tango where he'll be out of hold more often than usual. Add in the romance factor which'll stir up a few more votes (especially as they're doing the Rumba) plus the fact that Chelsee and Pasha work perfectly as a couple while the other two have very strong partnerships (albeit not so alluring seemingly) and they have things which will work in their favour.

Though if Harry and Aliona win I will be man enough to say I was very wrong.
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Old 16-12-2011, 11:03
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This is Britain - a sense of fairplay will come into it.
I highly doubt that, if that was true then, for example, the best dancer would always win Strictly, or this year's X Factor would've been won by the person who went out in the semi-final, who was the best singer technically, but that's by the by...

Fact is, most casual viewers will know nothing about the difference between the dances. They'll see spectacle in the lifts in the Argentine Tango and American Smooth just as much as they'll see energy in the Jive or romance in the Rumba. The general public don't care about what's in hold and what isn't - if the dance gets the crowd going or has 'wow' factor, it gets the votes.
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Old 16-12-2011, 11:48
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The show dance holds all the cards. Exciting.
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Old 16-12-2011, 11:56
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Tom defo would have gotten a perfect score

I much preferred the way they used to do it though. The Showdance being the last dance and no scoring.
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