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Why so much animosity???
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molo flapian
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by katmobile:
“Ahem to that - I was left wondering though if I'm alone in thinking Chelsee's Paso was overmarked - don't get me wrong I have loved a lot of her dances but that one in particular I didn't think was all that.

Lisa Snowden served one useful purpose for me and that was helping me a Mavian understand the Gethinities rage of the previous year - I was not a happy bunny when Austin was eliminated. The judges over-marking of Lisa was also counter-productive people don't remember what a good ballroom dancer she was now - only how chronically over-marked she was.”

I'll always remember how good she was.
She's my favourite ever lady
Funny I was watching her dances only yesterday.
L&B's Quickstep/Dancing in the Dark lifts my spiritsevery single time.
I've always loved the tall ones.
Maybe this is why I can't get with the Chelsee love.
She is such a cutie, but on the dancefloor I love to see the longer limbs. Not her fault is it, and nothing to apologise for.
Holly was the one I liked watching best this year.
(but Robbie was my favourite overall. He's funonlegs

So, don't mind who wins.
Three deserving contestants.
Jan2555*GG*
13-12-2011
I never had anything against Lisa (I loved her VW) it was the dance off that caused the issues there, without the bloomin dance off series 5 6 & 7 could have been so different, not perhaps in the results but in the tone
Doghouse Riley
13-12-2011
Nothing exceeds the animosity shown towards other posters on here, when some have a contrary view to theirs.
Xassy
13-12-2011
I have noticed a lot of $h!t stiring but no more than there usually is at the end of the series.

This is what I have noticed and find irritating......

SCDFan100: I loved Bob's tango. It was definitley a perfect 40!

CittyCat: It was hideous, what were War Drobe thinking dressing him in an orange jumpsuit?

SCDFan100: I know, it clashed a bit with his purple dreadlocks but I still think his dance was amazing!

cupofteaplz: I do like Bob but he was overmarked. I saw at least 3 mistakes. He slipped at the end of his handstand and fell on his arse, yet every single judge gave him a 10!

trollolol: Bob is a smug, arrogant teacher's pet. Hope he trips next week and falls flat on his botoxed face!
winenroses
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by Pices-55:
“I thought my posts were addressing the topic of this thread tbh, and were specifically addressing why you felt you could not get an answer to to a question you were repeatedly asking about Jason, if you have me on ignore because I chose to address your points in what I thought an honest and unoffensive way thats your perogative, Its hardly worth it though, I dont post that much on here and will be gone as soon as the comp is over.
Offending posters was never my intention and I have just reviwed my posts of last night.........really cant see what you mean tbh...........if any gentle minded souls like me on here were offended then I of course apologise to them, and if by saying that I dont find ripping apart the celebs personalities and mannerisms funny makes me superior...........then so be it, I guess.”

You shouldn't feel you have to go. You are entitled to your say. I do not feel that you are being personal or offensive

You are not coming over as superior in my opinion. I think you are just trying to state your position and being misunderstood, perhaps. I would be sorry if posters felt they had to leave because they had the bravery or audacity (how very dare you ) to say something they strongly felt. Your posts seem intelligent and well-expressed; why should you leave?

Perhaps it's a misunderstanding of style. I've been misunderstood before.
Doghouse Riley
13-12-2011
I could never understand why so many get worked up about posts on a message board like this. The forum is about an entertainment programme on a TV channel.
There's no need for personal animosity over a difference in opinion. If someone has a different opinion from me on anything on the programme I don't mind and it's sad when adverse comments can cause.... well there's no other word for it..."flouncing."

But just let 'em quote my post and tell me they are right and I'm wrong! Do you hear!

Some might put a smiley here, but I can never be assed.
shrew
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
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But just let 'em quote my post and tell me they are right and I'm wrong! Do you hear!
”

... you is rong.

*

*@rsed.

... ahahahahahahahahaha
Pices-55
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by winenroses:
“You shouldn't feel you have to go. You are entitled to your say. I do not feel that you are being personal or offensive

You are not coming over as superior in my opinion. I think you are just trying to state your position and being misunderstood, perhaps. I would be sorry if posters felt they had to leave because they had the bravery or audacity (how very dare you ) to say something they strongly felt. Your posts seem intelligent and well-expressed; why should you leave?

Perhaps it's a misunderstanding of style. I've been misunderstood before.”

Thanks for that winenroses ( what a lovely user name).
I dont actually feel I have to leave, and I would not if I didnt want to but once the comp is over I fear there will be very little to hold my interest, I can only see the comments becoming much worse once the dancing has finished.

Thanks for understanding that I was in essence trying to get my point across regarding what I felt about the nature of the debate on here, and I do think I was within topic, and I was expressing a particular answer to a specific poster who had asked a question repeatedly with little response. My point was that knowing particular posters styles and their loves and hates ( not meant as a slur ) I would not dream of entering into discussion with that poster when there is such a huge difference of opinion which would make any debate pointless.
I guess you get what I meant, thanks for that, I do think that sometimes people protest a little too much when faced with a truth that is unpalatable, thats unfortunate but common I find.
Veri
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“The negativity started in Zoe Ball's series - and it was (if I recall correctly) triggered by the judges fawning over her dancing from a very early stage in the competition (week 1 Waltz). From then on she could do no wrong - and she got high marks all the way through - even when she made glaring errors. The judges (I think) cost her the win - as their clear adoration of Zoe not only got her kicked out in third place - it also gave us the most undeserving winner ever - Darren Gough!

You would think that they would learn - but no - next season the panel were so far up Emma Bunton's backside that they did the same thing again..... I seem to recall 9s being given for a very lacklustre jive where Emma practically fell over..... which was stupid as when Louisa came out and blew everyone away with HER Jive - they had nowhere to go except a 10 way too early on in the series.....

It has happened in nearly every series since.... the judges had a clear favourite who could do no wrong - their mistakes weren't penalised where others who made the same mistakes (even in the same dance in the same week) were clobbered. Check out Len's comments on Emma and Louisa's Rumbas.... Louisa was criticised for doing a series of poses - Emma did a very similar dance a few minutes later - and far from getting similar comments from Len - he said something along the lines of that's the way they dance the rumba these days.....

The dance off gave the public the chance for revenge - the voters seemed to take delight in keeping the duffers out of the judges clutches for as long as possible.... and now the dance off has been ditched - a reasonably sensible voting off pattern has come back - we haven't really had anyone outstaying their welcome - and in this series in particular - we have had the right final 5 - the public kept the best dancers until the end....

If the judges commented impartially, and marked everyone the same (EVERYONE loses marks for mistakes - not ignoring some) there would be a lot less bitching on here...

Mind you - you will always get the rabid fans of one celeb or another attempting to put down their darlings rival - that is just humnan nature!”

So, because people disagree with the judges, dislike is heaped on the female contestant the judges happen to think is good? Yes, that is indeed what happens.

Of course, if the judges happen to like a forum favourite (Alesha, for example, or Chelsee), then people who don't rate the contestant so highly are ridiculed for thinking they know better than the judges.

And in there somewhere is the bogus theory that the marking should be about errors, so that high marks for a dance that contained errors must be wrong.
Veri
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“You're a veteran with more than 50.000 posts, and you find this forum unpleasant ! Could you point me in the direction of a pleasant forum on DS ?”

I'm sorry, but I don't see how that's supposed to work. How is my number of posts supposed to make it seem strange that I find this forum unpleasant?

And I haven't said (or, I think, even implied) that there is a pleasant DS forum, so how did that get in there?

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“I haven't seen much in the way of real animosity on here. But perhaps I'm a little less sensitive, or more accustomed to visiting some of the other forums.”

Well, I regularly visit the Big Brother forum, so how's that supposed to work? Shouldn't it mean I'm used to worse than this forum?

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“ I generally find this forum a place to relax, people are usually polite and good natured, with a sense of humour.
Agreed, there is a bit of piss-taking aimed at some celebrities, and perhaps Jason has received more than his fair share this year. But discussion forums are like that, 90% of the time it's not intended to be spiteful or malicious, it's just the sort of thing you might hear at work, or down the pub. Quite honestly, I think it would be a duller place without a bit of banter, and the odd less than complimentary remark about one of the celebs.”

I think there's plenty of real animosity and that a lot of genuine animosity and nastiness is passed off as mere piss-taking and banter. That it could be heard at work or down the pub is neither here nor there.
Veri
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“Thinking about it a bit more, I'm not sure that the level of negativity on here is any worse than before and there has always been a fair number of argumentative posters.

But I think what has been gradually changing is the number of regular posters who post as if they are spoiling for a fight by adopting a tone that is totally at odds with the mood of the thread.

It's a bit like a group of children happily playing a game together and then another child comes along and does something to disrupt the game. Sometimes their mum will tell them to play nicely and threaten them with being taken home, so they settle down. But at other times it is more like their mum didn't see what they did and when one or two of the other children protest, they get sworn at or threatened by the new child and then some of the children decide to go home.

I know it's a daft analogy and but that's how it feels to me.”

So those who don't agree with the dominant view in a thread should do ... what, exactly? Keep quiet? Don't post what they actually think but instead some much milder version that's more in tune with the mood? Start a new thread?
millie3
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by Veri:
“So those who don't agree with the dominant view in a thread should do ... what, exactly? Keep quiet? Don't post what they actually think but instead some much milder version that's more in tune with the mood? Start a new thread?”

Well I worked with a woman once who was a fanatical Cliff Richard fan () but the most I would say is well I'm not so keen myself because it seemed rude or impolite to do otherwise. I feel the same on here but because of the anonymity normal modes of behaviour don't seem to apply. I'm not talking about critiquing the dancing but the more personal stuff.
RichmondBlue
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by Veri:
“I'm sorry, but I don't see how that's supposed to work. How is my number of posts supposed to make it seem strange that I find this forum unpleasant?

I didn't suggest it was strange that you found this forum unpleasant. But. 50.000 posts suggests to me that you enjoy coming on DS ? You say this is an unpleasant forum, so. following on from that, it's not unreasonable to think that there must be more pleasant places on DS that you enjoy visiting ?

And I haven't said (or, I think, even implied) that there is a pleasant DS forum, so how did that get in there?

As above, one conclusion led to another. I was just asking a question, you find this forum unpleasant..out of interest, which forums on DS do you find pleasant.


Well, I regularly visit the Big Brother forum, so how's that supposed to work? Shouldn't it mean I'm used to worse than this forum?

Yes, I agree. I don't visit the BB Forum, it doesn't interest me. But I would imagine it's a lot worse than the SCD forum for animosity and insults flying about.



I think there's plenty of real animosity and that a lot of genuine animosity and nastiness is passed off as mere piss-taking and banter. That it could be heard at work or down the pub is neither here nor there.”

I think we appear to be posting at cross purposes. You appear to be saying that you enjoy visiting DS, warts and all.
That practically all the forums contain nasty and vindictive posts, and some are worse than this.
In that case, I understand. I don't agree with you about this particular forum, it's a haven of peace compared with some of the others. But I can see where you're coming from.
bobajot
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by Xassy:
“I have noticed a lot of $h!t stiring but no more than there usually is at the end of the series.

This is what I have noticed and find irritating......

SCDFan100: I loved Bob's tango. It was definitley a perfect 40!

CittyCat: It was hideous, what were War Drobe thinking dressing him in an orange jumpsuit?

SCDFan100: I know, it clashed a bit with his purple dreadlocks but I still think his dance was amazing!

cupofteaplz: I do like Bob but he was overmarked. I saw at least 3 mistakes. He slipped at the end of his handstand and fell on his arse, yet every single judge gave him a 10!

trollolol: Bob is a smug, arrogant teacher's pet. Hope he trips next week and falls flat on his botoxed face!
”

Seems to be a lot of that botox and skin stretching about It makes women look like they're wearing a mask unfortunately just like tattoos can't be taken off. There is very little animosity on this forum.
BuddyBontheNet
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by Veri:
“So those who don't agree with the dominant view in a thread should do ... what, exactly? Keep quiet? Don't post what they actually think but instead some much milder version that's more in tune with the mood? Start a new thread?”

You have taken my post in isolation Veri. My post says "Thinking about it a bit more" because I have posted previously on this thread. As I have already said I don't care what opinion someone holds, but I do care about the tone in which it is expressed.

I'm asking that posters treat other posters with some level of respect - as per the rules of DS. The mods don't appear to get involved unless enough posters press the Alert button. Most people don't come on here for an argument, so who wants to keep pressing the Alert button? And I wonder how many posters just leave a thread when it turns 'nasty'? Or leave DS altogether?

Reading the Acceptable Use section of the DS rules makes me realise that the rules are blatantly ignored day in day and yet they seem perfectly reasonable to me.

In case anyone hasn't looked at the rules recently or ever, this is the part I'm talking about -

Acceptable Use

Respect other forum members

While you are of course welcome to disagree with other members, we will not tolerate posts which insult, belittle, bait or otherwise antagonise forum members. This includes posts which disrespectfully label others posters as 'fanboys', 'haters' or similar.

'You're a complete idiot: that's not the case at all' is not acceptable; a simple, 'I don't agree' would suffice.

Offensive material
You must not post messages that are vulgar, crude, sexist, racist, homophobic or otherwise offensive. We will not tolerate offensive, immature or unconstructive postings.

'[BB Housemate X] is an ugly slut', and '[Random Politician Y] is a prick' are not acceptable. '[BB Housemate Z] is irritating me. Why do they have to shriek so often?' is fine.

Our aim is to make each of our members feel welcome. Racism, homophobia and sexism have no place on our forums and will be dealt with swiftly.

Swearing
The Digital Spy forums do have a language filter which should block terms deemed too offensive for use on the forums. Deliberately evading this language filter in order to post offensive language will likely result in a ban as you've demonstrated a complete disregard for the forum rules. This includes but is not limited to masking letters with an asterisk, reversing letter order or substituting numbers for letters.

Casual swearing (where the words are NOT filtered) will not be punished but your post must satisfy the other terms and conditions meaning it needs to be a constructive, non-offensive post. Swearing at people or groups is not permitted.

'May have had a little too much to drink last night. I feel like shit!' would be fine. Posts such as 'You're a w*nker, I hate you!' and 'That makes no sense, piss off!' are not.

Baiting
Don't wind people up to try to get them to say something in violation of the Terms and Conditions. It's obvious to other users and to us, doesn't work (we evaluate other posts and wider context when dealing with alerts), and backfires.


How many times do we read posts that break one or more of these rules? Is it any wonder some of us are not happy with the way the board is going?
Abbasolutely 40
13-12-2011
Personally speaking I think this thread is adding to the animosity rather than appeasing it .
BuddyBontheNet
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by Abbasolutely 40:
“Personally speaking I think this thread is adding to the animosity rather than appeasing it .”

I thought so yesterday Abba, but not so much today. It's the first time in a while people have been so upfront about the subject.
Abbasolutely 40
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“I thought so yesterday Abba, but not so much today. It's the first time in a while people have been so upfront about the subject.”

Ok , fair enough .I wasnt trying to point a finger at all , I just think its been done and done again .
But maybe it is best to get it all spat out .There is only one thing that really really bugs and that is a thread started and then when people answer the OP announces it was all tongue in cheek and done to get a giggle from the replies .That drives me mad to be honest .
Doghouse Riley
13-12-2011
What I find a bit off is when someone posts something a bit unfriendly, critical or whatever towards someone else and thinks because they include a daft smiley at the end, won't get the post deleted by the moderators.

Some smileys I do consider offensive.
Jan2555*GG*
13-12-2011
I hate the rollseyes smilie with a passion and will never use it. I think that there should be more extensive smilies on the DS.....there are so many out there.....they dont need to be many more but just a few more that would better express the tone of whats written, not all of us are the best word smiths.
Jan2555*GG*
13-12-2011
Quote:
“We will not tolerate offensive, immature or unconstructive postings.”



not sure that this is being very strongly policed.
Abbasolutely 40
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“I hate the rollseyes smilie with a passion and will never use it. I think that there should be more extensive smilies on the DS.....there are so many out there.....they dont need to be many more but just a few more that would better express the tone of whats written, not all of us are the best word smiths.”

I miss a Doh smiley .Often when I have read a post completely wrong and feel a bit silly .

But thank the lord we dont have the Christmas ones the BBC board would hand out and the whole board was covered in champagne glasses and sugar and spice and tinsel and candles ............now I need a vomit smiley
edy10
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by Abbasolutely 40:
“Personally speaking I think this thread is adding to the animosity rather than appeasing it .”

Yes I see that its apparently adding the animosity and that was never my intention.
I was just asking a genuine question
Muggsy
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“You have taken my post in isolation Veri. My post says "Thinking about it a bit more" because I have posted previously on this thread. As I have already said I don't care what opinion someone holds, but I do care about the tone in which it is expressed.

I'm asking that posters treat other posters with some level of respect - as per the rules of DS. The mods don't appear to get involved unless enough posters press the Alert button. Most people don't come on here for an argument, so who wants to keep pressing the Alert button? And I wonder how many posters just leave a thread when it turns 'nasty'? Or leave DS altogether?

Reading the Acceptable Use section of the DS rules makes me realise that the rules are blatantly ignored day in day and yet they seem perfectly reasonable to me.

In case anyone hasn't looked at the rules recently or ever, this is the part I'm talking about -

Acceptable Use

Respect other forum members
While you are of course welcome to disagree with other members, we will not tolerate posts which insult, belittle, bait or otherwise antagonise forum members. This includes posts which disrespectfully label others posters as 'fanboys', 'haters' or similar.

'You're a complete idiot: that's not the case at all' is not acceptable; a simple, 'I don't agree' would suffice.

Offensive material
You must not post messages that are vulgar, crude, sexist, racist, homophobic or otherwise offensive. We will not tolerate offensive, immature or unconstructive postings.

'[BB Housemate X] is an ugly slut', and '[Random Politician Y] is a prick' are not acceptable. '[BB Housemate Z] is irritating me. Why do they have to shriek so often?' is fine.

Our aim is to make each of our members feel welcome. Racism, homophobia and sexism have no place on our forums and will be dealt with swiftly.

Swearing
The Digital Spy forums do have a language filter which should block terms deemed too offensive for use on the forums. Deliberately evading this language filter in order to post offensive language will likely result in a ban as you've demonstrated a complete disregard for the forum rules. This includes but is not limited to masking letters with an asterisk, reversing letter order or substituting numbers for letters.

Casual swearing (where the words are NOT filtered) will not be punished but your post must satisfy the other terms and conditions meaning it needs to be a constructive, non-offensive post. Swearing at people or groups is not permitted.

'May have had a little too much to drink last night. I feel like shit!' would be fine. Posts such as 'You're a w*nker, I hate you!' and 'That makes no sense, piss off!' are not.

Baiting
Don't wind people up to try to get them to say something in violation of the Terms and Conditions. It's obvious to other users and to us, doesn't work (we evaluate other posts and wider context when dealing with alerts), and backfires.

How many times do we read posts that break one or more of these rules? Is it any wonder some of us are not happy with the way the board is going?”

The mods also ask us not to set ourselves up as moderators. They prefer to police the boards themselves, which is why there is an alert button. Many times the mods have intervened, removed unacceptable posts and asked people not to respond to such posts but to make use of the alert button instead.

There have always been vigorous disagreements over SCD but this is the first time I've known some posters to set themselves up as some sort of Lord Chamberlain and try to censor the way people express their opinions when they are well within the Forum rules. I prefer not to be labelled a bully and a sexual abuser, as I have been by one such poster, because I post regularly in the non-appreciation thread.
shefair
13-12-2011
and apparently find nothing offensive in such postings either
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