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Three years ago I would agreed with your first paragraph, but not any more. Pressing the Alert button when posts are 'not well within the forum rules' doesn't work most of the time and and I have told Tom Miller that too. Personally I hardly ever press the Alert button and tend to leave a post when I see the direction a thread is taking, especially if certain posters have joined in. At the risk of being over sensitive, If I'm the one you have cast in the roll of Lord Chamberlain then quite honestly I don't care. I've already decided when this series of SCD is finished I'm not posting on DS any more. I've got better things to do with my time than pick my way through threads that look friendly enough to join in on.
No, you're not the one I've cast in the role of Lord Chamberlain. That's why I used the plural. There are several posters who spend more time arguing about posting style than engaging with the content. Personally, I never disagree with posters. I disagree with posts...and most of the time I can't remember who said what, just what was said. |
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I wouldn't go near the GD board for the reasons you have given. Sometimes I think when Jimmy Young retired from Radio 2, the bigots who used to contact his show found the GD board on DS.
Sorry I misunderstood your Lord Chamberlain reference. There are days when I know I'm too sensitive to what other posters post and at the moment I'm upset to be giving in and leaving DS because I have had such a great time over the years. I'm going to stay off this thread now. |
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What is the GD Board?
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I'll give you Shakespeare takes some getting used to, if you aren't familiar with his writings, but I quoted that example for maximum effect. Did that really need a smiley?
There must be literally millions of books where you can completely understand the written word, surely you wouldn't need a smiley to interpret each of the emotions expressed? Or maybe notes in the margins? I think people rely too much on smilies on message boards. |
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When reading a book you're not usually engaging in a written debate or discussion with the author of the book over their meaning.
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Yes, when reading a book, you are the passive receiver. When you are on a forum like this, you are an active participant (unless you are a lurker). So when you have a real forum or in the past when people step up on a soap box and deliver a speech, you not only hear the words, you see expressions, gestures etc.. So in a discussion board or forum, when you don't see real facial and body gestures, smilies becomes an important tool to express the non-verbal communications that face-to-face conversation/discussion/debate take for granted.
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When reading a book you're not usually engaging in a written debate or discussion with the author of the book over their meaning.
That's the point, it isn't necessary because the writing is considered and self explanatory. Message boards aren't a one to one immediate discussion all the time. That's why many people like them, they can engage in a discussion (which can quickly turn into an argument) if they choose. Or give an opinion and move on, but what they post should be readily understood by most.. |
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That's the point, it isn't necessary because the writing is considered and self explanatory.
For instance, if I write, "I am not angry," you may choose to take it at face value (or as it is written), and you might be right. But if see me saying, "I am not angry," while at the same time witnessing me violently banging the table and giving you an evil stare, you might decide that I am either being ironic, sarcastic or simply losing my marbles... A picture speaks a thousand words. Cliche, I know but consider this: Hello. (I am happy).Hello. Hello. (I am sad).Hello. :yawn: (I am bored). Hello. (I am flirting).Hello. (Gosh, this is embarrassing.)
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Except here in the forum it's not just writing, it's communicating. Like two people having a conversation. You engage your senses other than the sense of sight, such as hearing and sometimes (if there is a fist fight) touch(ing) as well.
For instance, if I write, "I am not angry," you may choose to take it at face value (or as it is written), and you might be right. But if see me saying, "I am not angry," while at the same time witnessing me violently banging the table and giving you an evil stare, you might decide that I am either being ironic, sarcastic or simply losing my marbles... A picture speaks a thousand words. Cliche, I know but consider this: Hello. (I am happy).Hello. Hello. (I am sad).Hello. :yawn: (I am bored). Hello. (I am flirting).Hello. (Gosh, this is embarrassing.)Is there a smiley for "Whatever?" |
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Except here in the forum it's not just writing, it's communicating. Like two people having a conversation. You engage your senses other than the sense of sight, such as hearing and sometimes (if there is a fist fight) touch(ing) as well.
For instance, if I write, "I am not angry," you may choose to take it at face value (or as it is written), and you might be right. But if see me saying, "I am not angry," while at the same time witnessing me violently banging the table and giving you an evil stare, you might decide that I am either being ironic, sarcastic or simply losing my marbles... A picture speaks a thousand words. Cliche, I know but consider this: Hello. (I am happy).Hello. Hello. (I am sad).Hello. :yawn: (I am bored). Hello. (I am flirting).Hello. (Gosh, this is embarrassing.)
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Are you flirting with me?!
*gasp! mock horror* ![]() ![]() But I did like your acting guide to smilies. You did leave out the ![]() And less of the horror, thank you matey! Last edited by ysbryd y ddawns : 14-12-2011 at 01:03. Reason: Edited to add |
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Of course not! I often wink at my friends. Even strangers, within context, especially young children!
But I did like your acting guide to smilies. You did leave out the ![]() And less of the horror, thank you matey! ![]() Hello. (Very pleased to meet you).
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Me too. I think we may have been passing acquaintances - literally - on another thread!
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Personally speaking I think this thread is adding to the animosity rather than appeasing it .
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I thought so yesterday Abba, but not so much today. It's the first time in a while people have been so upfront about the subject.
![]() ETA i wouldn't put anyone on ignore except 'dear Terry' as he is a bit ![]() I have asked the Mods about him/her and even asked if h/she is one of them. ![]() While I'm at it, I do worry that the Celebs and pros read these threads. Maybe others don't think they do, but I believe that they may? It's the mother/grandmother in me. |
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I think it's good that there is a chance to air very wide opinions and anything else that comes up. I appreciate the guidelines being flagged up. Very helpful on such a thread as this.
![]() ETA i wouldn't put anyone on ignore except 'dear Terry' as he is a bit ![]() I have asked the Mods about him/her and even asked if h/she is one of them. ![]() While I'm at it, I do worry that the Celebs and pros read these threads. Maybe others don't think they do, but I believe that they may? It's the mother/grandmother in me. ![]() ![]() . I remember a poster saying that Kristina used to read this forum/Artem also
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Kristina used to post on here during her first year.
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By the look of it, I hope all of them finalists have NO TIME whatsoever to read this forum!
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I have been thinking about what's been happening - as far as I've witnessed this year (never having ventured beyond the sanctuary of the Colin Jackson strand before) and - for what it's worth - I feel that the written word, such as a post is often open to misunderstanding. I can't remember the exact percentage but human communication is something like 70 - 80% non-verbal. Given that the choice of smilies is limited, some may not understand their meaning and others don't wish to use them, there is a greater than odds-on-chance of misunderstanding another's post. Especially if it's quoted out of context by another poster.
Think of all the times when people communicate by text, e-mail, letters, books, etc. It can't be that 70 - 80% of the meaning is missing, or we'd be far more confused by such things than we are. Quote:
So (takes deep breath) maybe we could remember this. Many a time recently I have been tempted to put a poster on my ignore list, only to see elsewhere, in a different context, on a different thread, we have a similar opinion on a certain topic.
I don't use "ignore" because I still see that the person has posted, just not what they said. The posts are still there, cluttering the thread when I try to read it.
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By the look of it, I hope all of them finalists have NO TIME whatsoever to read this forum!
A lot of them have twitter accounts and I would have thought that would be much worse for getting abuse because anyone can @ them and abuse them and they will see it. |
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That's the point, it isn't necessary because the writing is considered and self explanatory.
Message boards aren't a one to one immediate discussion all the time. That's why many people like them, they can engage in a discussion (which can quickly turn into an argument) if they choose. Or give an opinion and move on, but what they post should be readily understood by most.. When reading a novel you are being given direction by the writer as to what the person is feeling. I could preface all my posts with - Cadiva wrote angrily/enthusiastically/excitedly/in an upset manner etc - "why do people always have to be nasty" - but it would get very old very quickly as well as being really irritating. That's what the use of smileys have come to represent when used correctly, |
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