You are not forced to read every thread. You are certainly not forced to post negative remarks on every thread you disagree with.

No one turned on her. These wernt votes for evicting her, it's just others like Amelia started to overshine her with big performances. Then Gary started going on and on about her being boring and voters starting seeing oh yeah she is abit, and the bigger more impactful performances got the votes instead. Even untill she left she got a sizeable amount of the total votes left and still she had more than Misha and that was she forgot words and wasn't great that night! She truly would have come 4th not 5th. She couldn't beat Little Mix's popularity that came in the end, Marcus got loads of support near the end. Amelia the comeback kid gave great performance after great performance. Misha was aved by the judges. Either way she can still make it big, but STILL she has no identity i honestly think - if what i think is her style of singing she's gonna really struggle in the big music world. Her best route is to model herself like Avril Lavigne and do songs like Sk8er Boi and I'm With You, it could work then. I don't think Syco will sign her, as Danyl and Stacey topped the votes so many times and they didnt bother signing them. If they dont think she'll be easy to promote they won't sign her. I think she's abit of a challenge, and the fact that she's so free spirited and not really willing to play up to the X Factor game will make the case against her. I think Epic will take Marcus and Amelia. Mischa may be taken by Syco like Cher. Janet may go independent or be lucky go with Bannatynes label or Epic will take her. Anyone beyond will struggle to get a deal. But if ALL the contestants are smart, they can prep releases of albums by March and release independently and no one can stop them doing that.

Remember the producers are the one's with the power. They can change the final version as many times as they like, Right up until Janet goes on stage and she would have to go along with it

The only person who posted anything about "hate" was you. I'm pretty sure it's against forum rules to call someone a "hater", so if you're going to remind us of the rules, I suggest you make sure you're following them as well.

Anyway, given your correct interpretation of the rules, this is an open thread for people to post their own opinions about whether or not Janet was turned on by the judges. If people want to post that Janet's fall from grace was her own doing, they should be free to express that opinion without being labeled as a hater by yourself.

Conversely, you are free to ignore those posts that you disagree with instead of branding the posters as "haters"...which is against forum rules.

No one turned on Janet, people just realised that she has a fantastic voice, but it is suited to her style of music and she wasn't comfortable or indeed good at other styles .

I am sure she will have a career but doing her thing not playing huge arenas with pop songs.

Oh here we go again Saint janet and the evil producers.
A story delusional fans never get tired off.

I am not a fan of Janet at all, I did find her voice samey and a bit whiney. However in all the years of watching the xfactor i've never seen the producers do to anyone else what the did to Janet;

In her vote for me VT they showed the point where she forgot the words, they've never done that before

In every series and normally at least once a week a contestant has forgotten the words or missed a cue why pick on her??

How can you explain a consistent poll topper being shoved on early every week then? This certainly didn't happen to Matt Cardle last year, nor did he have the judges telling him he was "boring" and "predictable" while he was topping the poll.

I'm not sure we have ever been told by the show how the song selections are chosen. I have heard in other series that they are presented with a list they have to choose from, of previously cleared songs, which may account for certain songs turning up again and again every year. I don't know if this is the extent of choice that a contestant ever gets, however, or if it is more complex than that.

I do know that even "save me" songs have to be agreed. One of the contestants this year (I can't remember which one now) said that they were pressured to change their "save me" choice.

Either way, Janet was not given much leeway to choose songs that suited her, and clearly Kelly didn't really relate to Janet (or Amelia either really) as well as she did to Misha.

But yes, the commonly held view amongst those who have enough intelligence to analyze these things, is that Janet's relationship with the powers-that-be at Syco seemed to not-so-subtly shift somewhere around weeks 2-3, probably at the time she started standing up to them on song choices for the most part.

Yes, lots of mentions that she forgot the words on the Saturday Xtra Factor and again during her VT on the Sunday show when the lines were still open. The clear message was "Don't vote for her, she's no pop star and she can't even remember the words of her songs".

perhaps it was her way of sticking it to cowell as in look simon this is what you could have had but im not going to let you have me

If I get a ban for this, then so be it.

After careful consideration of your contribution to this forum, I can only conclude you are an idiot.

Feels good to say.

Janet was doing fine until the judges foolishly started talking about "comfort zones", when in fact there was no need for her to change anything. Once they did that, she was done. The final blow was the crazy decision to sing "MmmBop" and that was the end of it for her.

Says more about you than me. Frankly, do you think your opinion matters one iota to me?

You're right of course.

This doesn't however make your posts any less obtuse. Your arguments are consistently strawman, and I suspect you're not half as clever as you think you are.

obtuse i like that one dont forget self rightous

I sympathize entirely. I considered that approach myself.

However, it is clear the person you are referring to here is actively baiting other forum members in an attempt to draw others into saying things thay should not. I'll just leave them to the mods, and just let them join the (very) small number of posters who's posts are of no value to read and are on the ignore list. Your choice of course, but you might want to consider this option.

Tsk tsk...if you're going to use "strawman" as your argument, it would help if you learned what it meant before you play that card.

Unlike you, I don't have to resort to making personal comments :yawn:. So again, I couldn't care less if you think I'm clever or not.

Agreed.

Sorry, you got caught looking in the mirror on that one.

After Amelia Lily came back and Misha B was doing rubbish.

That would only be because certain posters go onto forums and engage in personal attacks on those posters who disagree with them. Feel free to put me on ignore. No loss to me.

The beginning it seems, judging by her performance slots.

No one turned on Janet, she simply didn't progress as an artist